Why is Contador never the story?

[El Pistolero]

I don't intend to discuss but IMHO you have a bit of a confussion .



To start with many Americans (USA) are hispanic, black, amerindians, etc...So Americans do not make a diffference between them and the hispanics. In many cases there is not difference at all . Almost a third of the USA was Mexico not so long time ago, that people and many other later hispanic inmigrants are Americans also.

Second you say there is a difference between them and the hispanics in colour, but then you say



To finish with you say



Spaniards are the inhabitants of Spain. Until about 10 years ago there were very very few Spaniards that were mestizo, i.e. with Amerindian blood (I agree with you that a mestizo is a blend of European and Amerindian blood), and today some inmigrants from Latin America that happen to be mestizos have been granted the Spanish nationality and hence are Spaniards.

Still Contador could have blood from almost every part of Europe + almost every part of the Mediterranean, including Arabic and Jew. Not from Latin America. He cannot be Hispanic according to the term as coined in the USA.

You're getting me wrong here. I mean it's hard to tell the difference in appearance(the way you look) sometimes. So when people see Contador on TV in America they could easily lay the link to the Hispanics of their country. I don't mean the terms are hard to keep apart. And I said there was a difference between white Americans and Hispanics. I never said all Americans were white. Hence why I added the white part. I think Contador has some Moorish blood in him, but that's just a total guess on my part. Remember I never actually said Contador was Hispanic. But let's be honest here there are Hispanics in the USA that have just the same colour of skin than Contador. So when Americans(from the US) see Contador it's not hard to lay the link to Hispanics for them.

And to avoid any further confusion, with Americans I only mean citizens of the USA(just cause it's shorter to type "people from the USA" all the time).

 

[Spaniard]

From my understanding the term is used for people in the USA who come from Latin American countries or Spain. I never said it was one ethnic race. People with Spanish(or European) and Amerindian ancestry were referred to as mestizos in the past and I guess now as well. It's hard to tell the difference between mestizos and Spaniards sometimes(depends which ancestry you're more related to I guess)

No, Hipanic means nothing in Spain but a people who comes from South America. I've heard that word just in USA.

 

[Spaniard]

You're getting me wrong here. I mean it's hard to tell the difference in appearance(the way you look) sometimes. So when people see Contador on TV in America they could easily lay the link to the Hispanics of their country. I don't mean the terms are hard to keep apart. And I said there was a difference between white Americans and Hispanics. I never said all Americans were white. Hence why I added the white part. I think Contador has some Moorish blood in him, but that's just a total guess on my part.

And to avoid any further confusion, with Americans I only mean citizens of the USA(just cause it's shorter to type "people from the USA" all the time).

White americans?? hehe, what's about Italian-American? are white ?, or greek-american, is Pete Sampras white?. Racial terms in USA is even more complex than the case in Spain.

 

[El Pistolero]

No, Hipanic means nothing in Spain but a people who comes from South America. I've heard that word just in USA.

We're talking about people from the USA and how they look at Contador though. Not about Spain it self.

For example, a friend of mine, whose parents were born in Spain but now live in the USA, has been called a Hispanic by a lot of people there.

 

[outrage9]

Just Google the word, it seems to be pretty all encompassing of anyone or anything to do with Spain or from a Spanish speaking country, but originally meant anyone from the Iberian peninsula. As in this from Wikipedia;

Hispanic (Spanish: hispano, hispánico) is a term that originally denoted a relationship to the ancient Hispania (geographically coinciding with the Iberian Peninsula). During the modern era, it sometimes takes on a more limited meaning, relating to the contemporary nation of Spain.

Still more recently, primarily in the United States, the term has also (or alternatively) been used to denote the culture and people of countries formerly ruled by the Spanish Empire, usually with a majority of the population speaking the Spanish language. Collectively known as Hispanic America, this definition includes Mexico, the majority of the Central and South American countries, and most of the Greater Antilles. The nations formerly pertaining to the Spanish East Indies are sometimes loosely included in this definition, as their cultures have some Spanish or Latin American elements.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Even so, it doesn't change that the majority of people from the Iberian peninsula are white and so delineating Contador from Schleck and claiming a racial basis for it is either erroneous (as in it isn't happening) or erroneous (as in a stupid mistake).

 

[Beech Mtn]

My college sociology professor (whose own ancestors fought under Santa Anna at the Alamo) always told us that Spaniards and the Spanish explorers/conquistadors were White/European, and that they came to the new world (America, Mexico, Central/South America), where they intermarried with the native peoples already there. These offspring became what we call Hispanics. So Spaniards are not Hispanic, but most Mexicans, Guatemalans, etc and some Americans would be considered Hispanic.

 

[El Pistolero]

My college sociology professor (whose own ancestors fought under Santa Anna at the Alamo) always told us that Spaniards and the Spanish explorers/conquistadors were White/European, and that they came to the new world (America, Mexico, Central/South America), where they intermarried with the native peoples already there. These offspring became what we call Hispanics. So Spaniards are not Hispanic, but most Mexicans, Guatemalans, etc and some Americans would be considered Hispanic.

Well, the Spaniards had a hierarchy in their colonies.

1. Spaniards born in Spain= Spaniards(duh)

2. Someone with parents born in Spain, but being born in Spanish America = criollo

3. A child of Spanish man/woman and an Amerindian man/woman= Mestizo

4. A child of a Spanish man/woman and an African man/woman= Mulatto

5. A child of an Amerindian man/woman and an African man/woman= Zambo

6. A black slave= negro

That's what I've been taught anyway. Always thought Hispanic was just used for people living in the USA who have some Spanish ancestry or a full Spanish ancestry. Could be totally wrong, but I don't think it really matters as I never called Contador a Hispanic(as he has nothing to do with the USA), but I was just implying that people from the USA can easily link Contador to the Hispanics of their country. And for the countless of vacations I've spend in the USA I've sadly felt some disdain from some Americans towards these Mestizos(or Hispanics if you will). People with English as their main language will know better then me though, so if Hispanic is just a synonym for Mestizo then I stand corrected.

Even so, it doesn't change that the majority of people from the Iberian peninsula are white and so delineating Contador from Schleck and claiming a racial basis for it is either erroneous (as in it isn't happening) or erroneous (as in a stupid mistake).

You're right of course. Although I do think a lot of Spanish people have some Moorish ancestry. Muslims used to live together with the Christians on some places in the Iberian Peninsula for quite some time in relative peace(Islam was ironically enough a lot more tolerant than Christianity towards other religions in those days.)

 

[rxgqgxnyfz]

Those americans and their confusing domestic terminology used where it has no place to be used. It's creeping all over the world.

Soon Contador we'll be called spanish-american or something.

Annoying and pervasive as ever.
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[Libertine Seguros]

You're right of course. Although I do think a lot of Spanish people have some Moorish ancestry. Muslims used to live together with the Christians on some places in the Iberian Peninsula for quite some time in relative peace(Islam was ironically enough a lot more tolerant than Christianity towards other religions in those days.)

Oh, you're right of course; Al-Andalus was perhaps the last time Christians, Jews and Muslims were all able to live side by side in harmony. One of the saddest stories of European history is the Catholics destroying the centre of the beautiful Cordóba mosque to put a cathedral in the middle of it. And the writings in Hebrew and a primitive version of Judezmo in parts of the city point to tolerance for the Jewish community (very few places in Europe that that happened in those days!!!). Al-Andalus as a political entity spread to cover most of the peninsula, and yes there will definitely be Moorish ancestry fro a large number of people in Spain and possibly Portugal too, especially in the south, but for the most part it will most likely now be several generations removed.

 

[boardhanger]

Oh, you're right of course; Al-Andalus was perhaps the last time Christians, Jews and Muslims were all able to live side by side in harmony. One of the saddest stories of European history is the Catholics destroying the centre of the beautiful Cordóba mosque to put a cathedral in the middle of it. And the writings in Hebrew and a primitive version of Judezmo in parts of the city point to tolerance for the Jewish community (very few places in Europe that that happened in those days!!!). Al-Andalus as a political entity spread to cover most of the peninsula, and yes there will definitely be Moorish ancestry fro a large number of people in Spain and possibly Portugal too, especially in the south, but for the most part it will most likely now be several generations removed.

Que jodida. Ese tipo ya me es una jodienda!! I like the Spanish. I feel us Irish have a great affinety with them throughout the centuries. E hablais la verdad. Chapeau!!

 

[Oldman]

Que jodida. Ese tipo ya me es una jodienda!! I like the Spanish. I feel us Irish have a great affinety with them throughout the centuries. E hablais la verdad. Chapeau!!

The affinity stems from the fact that when the Romans left, things went back to normal. Feisty resistance to occupancy, I guess.

 

[indurain666]

Well, the Spaniards had a hierarchy in their colonies.

1. Spaniards born in Spain= Spaniards(duh)

2. Someone with parents born in Spain, but being born in Spanish America = criollo

3. A child of Spanish man/woman and an Amerindian man/woman= Mestizo

4. A child of a Spanish man/woman and an African man/woman= Mulatto

5. A child of an Amerindian man/woman and an African man/woman= Zambo

6. A black slave= negro

That's what I've been taught anyway. Always thought Hispanic was just used for people living in the USA who have some Spanish ancestry or a full Spanish ancestry. Could be totally wrong, but I don't think it really matters as I never called Contador a Hispanic(as he has nothing to do with the USA), but I was just implying that people from the USA can easily link Contador to the Hispanics of their country. And for the countless of vacations I've spend in the USA I've sadly felt some disdain from some Americans towards these Mestizos(or Hispanics if you will). People with English as their main language will know better then me though, so if Hispanic is just a synonym for Mestizo then I stand corrected.



You're right of course. Although I do think a lot of Spanish people have some Moorish ancestry. Muslims used to live together with the Christians on some places in the Iberian Peninsula for quite some time in relative peace(Islam was ironically enough a lot more tolerant than Christianity towards other religions in those days.)

You are absolutely correct but not a lot of Spaniards have Moorish ancestry, a fraction yes. I really don't have any hard numbers to prove this, but IMO, I would think that a lot of dark skinned spaniards may have some Gitano (Romani) blood.

A lot of people in the States but also in almost any part of the world have a pretty distorted and limited view of what is outside their country. I live in Canada, but have about 90% Spanish blood with some English, German, and who knows what else (i.e. alien, mutant) I am white with blond hair, when people ask me about my background they have a hard time believing it is Spanish.

Anyway, generally speaking, we are usually a little bit darker than Northern Europeans, but a lot of white (anglo saxon) girls actually like that (plus the accent), should thank the likes of Ricky Martin and Rafael Nadal for opening some doors for us

 

[Spaniard]

You are absolutely correct but not a lot of Spaniards have Moorish ancestry, a fraction yes. I really don't have any hard numbers to prove this, but IMO, I would think that a lot of dark skinned spaniards may have some Gitano (Romani) blood.

A lot of people in the States but also in almost any part of the world have a pretty distorted and limited view of what is outside their country. I live in Canada, but have about 90% Spanish blood with some English, German, and who knows what else (i.e. alien, mutant) I am white with blond hair, when people ask me about my background they have a hard time believing it is Spanish.

Anyway, generally speaking, we are usually a little bit darker than Northern Europeans, but a lot of white (anglo saxon) girls actually like that (plus the accent), should thank the likes of Ricky Martin and Rafael Nadal for opening some doors for us

The fact of getting mixed with jews or arabs in Spain some centuries ago was seen as something bad in social terms, actually you could end in jail.

But, damm¡¡, what with all this racial issues, I'm a pure spaniard from the south of Spain ), Sevilla, Arabs lived in my city during centuries and I wish I had some arab ancestry because my skin is so ****ing white that I hate it.

In Spain all people want to look tanned. At least being too white in summer and in the South of Spain is considered "ugly".

 

[Señor_Contador]

My two cents:

Coming from a Spaniard who lives in New York... I think you guys are missing the point with the racial innuendo. Yes, the US media is more likely to put a microphone in front of your face is you speak the English language, there's no doubt about that. Now, to suggest that there's a racial "current" undermining all of this is just dead wrong.

Did Phil Liggett and Paul Sherwin turn the Tour de France "days of our Lance" coverage into some sort weird telethon on Anglo-Saxon superiority? Sort of. But I don't think it wasn't racially motivated though. To them the idea of The System supercedes everything else.

Thus it doesn't matter if you're a black Englishman or a white Spaniard, it's all about the system, or a leader in their system. And when someone (be it Alberto Contador or Fernando Alonso, the F1 driver) provides a challenge to their system, or one of the leaders in that system, that's when they get pi$$ed mad. And once they get pi$$ed mad that's when they begin character assassinating people.

 

[indurain666]

Thus it doesn't matter if you're a black Englishman or a white Spaniard, it's all about the system, or a leader in their system. And when someone (be it Alberto Contador or Fernando Alonso, the F1 driver) provides a challenge to their system, or one of the leaders in that system, that's when they get pi$$ed mad. And once they get pi$$ed mad that's when they begin character assassinating people.

Such as Spain winning the World Cup....

 

[boardhanger]

Spain has offered alot to world sport. And I applaud them for that.

 

[outrage9]

My college sociology professor (whose own ancestors fought under Santa Anna at the Alamo) always told us that Spaniards and the Spanish explorers/conquistadors were White/European, and that they came to the new world (America, Mexico, Central/South America), where they intermarried with the native peoples already there. These offspring became what we call Hispanics. So Spaniards are not Hispanic, but most Mexicans, Guatemalans, etc and some Americans would be considered Hispanic.

You cannot link the first half of your paragraph to the last. One can say that every time they drive drunk, they don't crash and die, so so driving drunk must be safe, but it doesn't mean its true.

Google the word. You will see that the etymology of the word is "pertaining to Spain." It had nothing to do with anything in the new world until America got hold of it and basically lumped everyone that speaks Spanish into the pile. "You speak Spanish, you must be Hispanic." Kind of like anyone Asian must be Chinese or Japanese because there are no other Asian countries as far as most Americans know.

 

[spanky wanderlust]

Google the word. You will see that the etymology of the word is "pertaining to Spain." It had nothing to do with anything in the new world until America got hold of it and basically lumped everyone that speaks Spanish into the pile. "You speak Spanish, you must be Hispanic." Kind of like anyone Asian must be Chinese or Japanese because there are no other Asian countries as far as most Americans know.

yes, that is exactly what it means: "of spain." it can therefore be used to describe anything having to do with spain including spain and spanish things themselves. it isn't usually used that way though.

it usually refers to things having to do with spain that aren't actually spanish, things of language, history and culture of spanish descent outside of spain itself. again, you can use this word to refer to spain and spanish affairs, but you should probably prefer the adjective "spanish" in this case because it is more correct.

this is just how language works btw, and has nothing to do with how much you hate americans. although when one sees the world this way, it can be hard not to interpret EVERYTHING through this lens.

 

[Christian]

My suggestions for Contador:

1) Become more interesting.
2) Quit winning every fricking race you enter.
3) Go on drinking sprees.
4) Punch cameramen.
5) Say controversial things and swearwords on live TV.

All in all: Get more human!!

 

[Parrulo]

why is contador never the story?

cus he doesn't party hard enough. prove that i am right? britney spears, lindsay lohan, paris hilton and andy shleck. pretty much all the young girls that walk around flashing their privates.

so contador if you want to be the story . . .