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Why LA is not a doper (seriously)

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He didn't chase Simeoni, he simply sat on his wheel. He shouted at another rider? Well then by all means he deserves no respect. That's ridiculous. Ever raced in a bike race yourself? Ever? Or just watch on TV? Seriously. That's what makes you disrespect someone? Or are you just nitpicking here?


Umm, you mean like nearly every other significant athlete in the world does? Tiger, Micheal Jordan, Kobe, etc... Yeah, they manipulate the media, so they deserve no respect. Again, get serious. You seem unaware of the realities of today's world. This ain't Mayberry.




Making a mockery of it by not testing positive for anything, and for providing the story of the year in the sports world, if not the entire world? Yeah, whatever. If he had officially tested positive you could rightly say he doped, but he didn't, did he?



You've really gone off the deep in here with your anti-Lance obsession. This gives you a reason to not respect an athlete? Admit it, you're just jealous cause everyone ignores your whining at work, and nobody cares about you Twitter posts.





Pffffffffffft!!!!! This is the most subjective, ridiculous, hilariously empty criticism of Lance I've ever heard, congratulations.





I'll make a bold step and presume you are some anti-Lance Euro dude who comes from a country that has never had a 7-time winner of the Tour de France. Am I close? Cycling was obviously well established before Lance, but Lance blew it up and took it to a whole new level most cyclists would have never even dreamed about, and not just in America. I think that is where alot of the anti-Lance sentiment comes from, cyclists who miss the good ole days when there sport wasn't what it is now.




You've apparently never heard of Major Taylor. America has a rich and long cycling history, despite your worst attempts to minimize it.



Bullcrap. The salaries wouldn't be close to what they are now without Lance. Same with the viewership, the fan count at the races, and the bike sales. And not just in North America, the whole world. Don't be afraid to give credit where credit is due. Many in the cycling industry simply wouldn't have jobs today, if not for the Lanceypants phenomenon.




Legitimacy of your claim - failed.



Because he never failed a test? You can't get past this one, can you? Despite the FACT that he never failed a test.





None of that says anything about Lance ever doping. Was Lance involved in Operation Puerto? Didn't think so.


I never said he didn't dope, the fact is I don't know. But he never failed a test, that is the main FACT I rely on. Can you intelligently comprehend this? Or does your apparent anti-Lance, anti-America attitude somehow cloud your already foggy vision?



I'm posting and communicating on CyclingNews.com, and you claim I'm living in a CNN world. Whatever. I don't watch cable news, I don't even have TV reception anymore since they changed the system over. But hey, your insults made it sound like I'm just average Joe Blow, and you're all "alternative", so you're cool, right?

Speechless i am. You are not only the most ignorant on this forum, but on the whole web. Never was reading so much BS at once. Go to your Fanboy-Forum. You are wrong here. This is the clinic:eek:
 
FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Yeah i was reading the book from "Lance to Landis". But my Question was about how did Lance get exclusive to Dr.-Epo-Ferrari. I mean if Disco/Postal were the only clients, it would explain how he beat the more talented riders for 7 years. I´d like to have a link for this.

It's in Daniel Coyle's book 'Lance Armstrong's War'
 
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You've said it before, as have 53 x 11, pmcg76, Dr. Maserati, Cobber, Digger, Alpe and I don't know how many other posters. We don't hate Lance, most of us appreciate his cycling achievements, and I am sure most of us were inspired after "It's Not About The Bike". Few of us are so-called Lance haters because that would imply we are irrationally dogmatic about our opinions despite evidence to the contrary. But we also recognize his faults. For me, and many others posting on this thread, these faults demean his achievements because IMO they are major flaws in his character and his right to be called a legend.

I like your style of writing and the infos you give. I like your personality (saying you dont hate Lance) etc.! 1+ for that

But i do hate Epo-Lance, i dont hide it and i tell you why:
He acts like George W; if you are not with me, you are against me. This approach led to all the negative incidents with Bassons/Simoni/Lemond/Andreu etc. And since young fans look up to him, it shows them his arrogant me-me-me behaviours are correct. But its not. So every time i talk about cycling with friends on forums or where ever, i never forget to mention that Lance is a proven Doper. The truth must be spread. Dictators are bad in the real world and they are bad in cycling. Simple as that.

Does that all mean i hate USA? No, just look at my avatar. Its JimmyMac from USA. The last rebel of sports. A true legend:)
 
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It's in Daniel Coyle's book 'Lance Armstrong's War'

Thanks alot. I´ll buy it unless Epo-Lance get a share of this. You should know that i boycott everything Lance has to do with (Trek, RadioShack, Nike, Giro etc.).

So could you tell me if he has any income on this book? :)
 
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Thanks alot. I´ll buy it unless Epo-Lance get a share of this. You should know that i boycott everything Lance has to do with (Trek, RadioShack, Nike, Giro etc.).

So could you tell me if he has any income on this book? :)

For whatever it's worth the book is fascinating. I think it's nearly as gritty as Joe Parkin's "A Dog in a Hat" (I think this is the correct title).

Particularly interesting is the part of Coyle's book dealing with Ferrari. Go to Amazon.com and see if they have a used one. At least LA would not see a royalty off of that purchase (I think anyways).
 
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ProTour is aware that Virenque, Zulle, Hinault, Fignon, Thevenet, Indurain, Bruyneel and Riis never failed a test either despite all being known/having admitted to doping?

Sorry, he probably doesn't actually know who any of those riders are - that's the problem with the fanboys: obsessed with Armstrong, zero knowledge about the history and traditions of the sport.
 
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For whatever it's worth the book is fascinating. I think it's nearly as gritty as Joe Parkin's "A Dog in a Hat" (I think this is the correct title).

Particularly interesting is the part of Coyle's book dealing with Ferrari. Go to Amazon.com and see if they have a used one. At least LA would not see a royalty off of that purchase (I think anyways).

Thats a good idea. I´ll try that :)

bianchigirl said:
ProTour is aware that Virenque, Zulle, Hinault, Fignon, Thevenet, Indurain, Bruyneel and Riis never failed a test either despite all being known/having admitted to doping?

Sorry, he probably doesn't actually know who any of those riders are - that's the problem with the fanboys: obsessed with Armstrong, zero knowledge about the history and traditions of the sport.

Yeah, he made me so anoyed with his BS that i had to write him a private message, since he is not seen here anymore.

P.S.: I just heard Arbiter is banned, but ProTour is way worse