Wigans blows smoke...

[ustabe]

It's a derogatory forum nickname given to him after this quote about the need to leave Garmin to be successful

Ah, thanks for filling me in.

By the way, I do agree that Wiggo's '10 season was a disappointment.

 

[M Sport]

By the way, I do agree that Wiggo's '10 season was a disappointment.

Some may say Wigans performed at his true level during 2010

 

[bobbins]

This season has been a tough learning curve for Brailsford and his boffins. They should have realised that the Tour can't be won by ergo tests and powerpoint presentations before the stage. They have DSs that have never raced and a started to believe that marginal gains was the way forward. I think next year they will follow more of a Garmin model that has placed a rider in the top 10 every tour and should get some proper results.

 

[Franklin]

Basso and Nibali didn't really win their GTs this year in the TT. Neither of them is an exceptionally great time trialist... although you can still lose a GT in the TT, as Rodriguez so effectively demonstrated.

- Basso would disagree as he distanced Duran in the last TT. Had that difference been the other way around it would have been within seconds.

- Nibali would disagree as that was where he made the distance with his biggest competitor and that isn't just Rodriguez. The next runner up, Mosquera lost 39 of the 43 seconds in the TT's. Admitted one of them was a short TTT, but there you have it.

- We don't have to do this excercise for Contador and Schleck, we know the answer.

- Mencov Giro 09, Same story.

- TdF 09, Contador took over 3/4 of the difference in the TT's.

- Vuelta 09, here it was Sanchez that gave Valverde a little scare.

Some may say Wigans performed at his true level during 2010

Considering his palmares that would be quite false.

Once again he's not my favorite by a far stretch, but you guys are writing him off rather easy.

 

[El Pistolero]

- Basso would disagree as he distanced Duran in the last TT. Had that difference been the other way around it would have been within seconds.

- Nibali would disagree as that was where he made the distance with his biggest competitor and that isn't just Rodriguez. The next runner up, Mosquera lost 39 of the 43 seconds in the TT's. Admitted one of them was a short TTT, but there you have it.

- We don't have to do this excercise for Contador and Schleck, we know the answer.

- Mencov Giro 09, Same story.

- TdF 09, Contador took over 3/4 of the difference in the TT's.

- Vuelta 09, here it was Sanchez that gave Valverde a little scare.



Considering his palmares that would be quite false.

Once again he's not my favorite by a far stretch, but you guys are writing him off rather easy.

Doesn't change the fact he dominated through all the mountain stages though. Not that the Tour that year had many, but you get my grip.

 

[theyoungest]

- Basso would disagree as he distanced Duran in the last TT. Had that difference been the other way around it would have been within seconds.

- Nibali would disagree as that was where he made the distance with his biggest competitor and that isn't just Rodriguez. The next runner up, Mosquera lost 39 of the 43 seconds in the TT's. Admitted one of them was a short TTT, but there you have it.

- We don't have to do this excercise for Contador and Schleck, we know the answer.

- Mencov Giro 09, Same story.

- TdF 09, Contador took over 3/4 of the difference in the TT's.

- Vuelta 09, here it was Sanchez that gave Valverde a little scare.



Considering his palmares that would be quite false.

Once again he's not my favorite by a far stretch, but you guys are writing him off rather easy.

If I remember correctly, Basso could only have lost the Giro in the final TT if he'd fallen off his bike and had to walk to the finish line. And in the Vuelta, Mosquera wasn't exactly beaten comprehensively in the TT. It just wasn't the decisive moment, in both cases.

 

[The Hitch]

If I remember correctly, Basso could only have lost the Giro in the final TT if he'd fallen off his bike and had to walk to the finish line. And in the Vuelta, Mosquera wasn't exactly beaten comprehensively in the TT. It just wasn't the decisive moment, in both cases.

Stage 1 : Amsterdam - Amsterdam (ITT) 8.4km

37 Ivan Basso (Ita) Liquigas-Doimo 0:00:23

161 David Arroyo Duran (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne 0:00:58

Stage 4: Savigliano - Cuneo (TTT) 33km

1 Liquigas - Doimo 0:36:37

18 Caisse d'Epargne 0:02:21

Thats 2:56 before the final tt.

15 Ivan Basso (Ita) Liquigas-Doimo 0:00:42

47 David Arroyo Duran (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne 0:01:18

another 36 there.


However, if we look at the Butterfly effect theory, perhaps Laquilla would never have happened had Arroyo not lost 3 minutes already.

Still 3 and a half minutes is a big ****** ammount of time to lose on tts, and he only lost the whole thing by about 1 and a half minutes, so they were important.

 

[Franklin]

If I remember correctly, Basso could only have lost the Giro in the final TT if he'd fallen off his bike and had to walk to the finish line. And in the Vuelta, Mosquera wasn't exactly beaten comprehensively in the TT. It just wasn't the decisive moment, in both cases.

The difference was just over a minute. Considering Basso's skill he was never in danger, but that is the point. Had Basso lost those 36 seconds instead of won, difference would be about 30 seconds.

The earlier TT and TTT wil be disregarded due to the effect the Hitch mentioned

And of course, I'm not claiming Duran could/should have won, this is all virtual mindbashing. But denying Basso (also!) build upon his TT to win the Giro is wrong. On an amusing side note. Scarponi would have been awfully close had he been on Leakygas.

Doesn't change the fact he dominated through all the mountain stages though. Not that the Tour that year had many, but you get my grip.

If the TT skill of Alberto and Andy had been reversed that year, Alberto would have had to win over three times as much in the mountains as he actually did.

I know the mountains are extremely important, but among the contenders more often than not, the time differences are made in the TT's.

 

[hrotha]

The only Durán worth mentioning is called Arkaitz and didn't ride the Giro.

 

[The Hitch]

The only Durán worth mentioning is called Arkaitz and didn't ride the Giro.

But next year, he might ride it, as Velasco and Belmonte will probably be suspended, which might make Gonzalez, Gil and Candil target the Tour, leaving Duran for the Giro, Oliver for the Vuelta and Gomez for the worlds.

 

[hrotha]

But next year, he might ride it, as Velasco and Belmonte will probably be suspended, which might make Gonzalez, Gil and Candil target the Tour, leaving Duran for the Giro, Oliver for the Vuelta and Gomez for the worlds.

Well I just had a seizure RIGHT THERE.

 

[sublimit]

Wiggins blows smoke, there's no question about that. 4th is as good as it will ever get for him as long as the route is worthy of being called Tour de France unlike the joke that was 2009.

Beats working though. He rides a Pinarello, enters a few bike races and annoys Garmin-Transitition fans and makes some money in the process. All these people complaining just dont get it.

He does have a dodgy hair do though and listens to Paul Weller in his spare time and that is unforgivable.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

But next year, he might ride it, as Velasco and Belmonte will probably be suspended, which might make Gonzalez, Gil and Candil target the Tour, leaving Duran for the Giro, Oliver for the Vuelta and Gomez for the worlds.

I think you underrate Volpini and Molina; Hernández will be a good shout for either the Giro or, especially, Vuelta, and I am interested to see how Bellón does at the top level after great performances in the Continental calendar this year.

 

[The Hitch]

I think you underrate Volpini and Molina;

Nah. I had simply exhausted my knowledge of Spanish cyclists mothers names. I couldnt even remember the one of the guy who won Bola.

But im shocked that "Ruiz" and "Ansola" do not appear anywhere in your post.

Shocked.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Ansola isn't a GC threat, more's the pity, but I expect much entertainment for him.

The guy who won on Bola was Miguez.

I'm also interested to see how Elorriaga goes next year. Ruíz will hopefully finally step up.

Both will have the undoubted benefits that come from Labiano's experience as a talent developer.

 

[Winterfold]

Hitch - you are an interesting poster but your powers in derailling a thread are without equal* - see if you can get a homoerotic fantasy about Spartacus into this one in three posts.

*although in this instance you are excused as the thread is asking for it

 

[The Hitch]

Hitch - you are an interesting poster but your powers in derailling a thread are without equal* - see if you can get a homoerotic fantasy about Spartacus into this one in three posts.

*although in this instance you are excused as the thread is asking for it

Youll find that with the Spartacus thread you mention it was El pistrollero who derailed it by saying that its offensive to call Cancellara spartacus, and you can hardly blame me for the fact that a bunch of us took the bait and replied.

Really dont get why you use that particular adjective (homoerotic) either? What do you mean by it?

As for this thread, where have i derailed it?

You will find that the youngest started off the switch from Wiggins to Giro tts, got into the debate with Pistolero, and i chimed in late in the game.

And it wasnt me who started the talk about Spanish riders mothers names either.

So in neither case have i derailed the thread.

 

[simo1733]

Youll find that with the Spartacus thread you mention it was El pistrollero who derailed it by saying that its offensive to call Cancellara spartacus, and you can hardly blame me for the fact that a bunch of us took the bait and replied.

Really dont get why you use that particular adjective (homoerotic) either? What do you mean by it?

As for this thread, where have i derailed it?

You will find that the youngest started off the switch from Wiggins to Giro tts, got into the debate with Pistolero, and i chimed in late in the game.

And it wasnt me who started the talk about Spanish riders mothers names either.

So in neither case have i derailed the thread.

Nice rebuttal but you are still the man.Super Record 11speed.

 

[Winterfold]

Look at this way - other posters indicate a sign which says 'Spartacus fanboys this way'* but at that point we are still on track.

It is the essay 'Why Spartacus is great' which then derails the thread. But as I said as the thread is without merit, so in this case, it's OK, welcome in fact. Calling the OP a moron does the same thing and is OnT.

*Here is an example: could Spartacus beat Wiggins in a 4000m pursuit?

...

 

[El Pistolero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

 

[The Hitch]

Look at this way - other posters indicate a sign which says 'Spartacus fanboys this way'* but at that point we are still on track.

It is the essay 'Why Spartacus is great' which then derails the thread. But as I said as the thread is without merit, so in this case, it's OK, welcome in fact. Calling the OP a moron does the same thing and is OnT.

*Here is an example: could Spartacus beat Wiggins in a 4000m pursuit?

...

No it is this post which derails the thread.

Spartacus is also not really a flattering nickname if you know your history. Beaten by an incompetent general. Killed in battle. Most of his followers crucified. xD

It changes the subject, and is asking for a responce. Hence it is that post which derails the thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

Why on earth did you post that.