Wiggins, a man in love!

[thehog]

Och speaks about Sky on CN:

Asked about any possible change of tactics to deal with the Sky steamroller in the mountains, Ochowicz said: "We're never going to ride like Sky did – I don't even like that kind of riding. They won the Tour but I found it very boring. We tried to attack the race one day and it was impossible, but at least we tried.

 

[biker jk]

Och speaks about Sky on CN:

He also mentions Rogers as being key to Sky's success.

 

[Ferminal]

Poor Rogers, gets blamed for everything!

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Och speaks about Sky on CN:

Why do you seem determined to turn this thread into another 'general' Sky one?

 

[martinvickers]

Why do you seem determined to turn this thread into another 'general' Sky one?

Why does the rain fall, and the sun shine, Pedro?

 

[martinvickers]

Start at the post I quoted work your way here - if you have a genuine question at the end of it I will answer..

I did. I'm no clearer. When did I query Kimmage's suspicions.

I noted them.

I explained how they might poison the atmosphere a bit between Wiggins and kimmage, whether he doped or not.

I also noted that none of us know, which is simple statement of fact.

But at no stage in this conversation did I query Kimmage's suspicions. I made no suggestion one way or the other on them. I was quite clear in fact, that I wasn't making a comment on the actual suspicions, at any point - only on the effect of their existence on the relationship between the men.

If you have read completely , and frankly obviously, non-committal words as somehow querying, that's a mistake you made, not me.

 

[SundayRider]

Packaged up neatly;

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-...gry-about-armstrong-hes-eaten-up-with-it-all/

Wiggins comments are just baffling, they really are. He says that because of the Armstrong affair that 90s are pretty much a right off. How has he forgot that 6 of LA's seven Tour wins happened in the 2000s and his last pro bike race was only 2yrs ago

 

[JRanton]

Wiggins comments are just baffling, they really are. He says that because of the Armstrong affair that 90s are pretty much a right off. How has he forgot that 6 of LA's seven Tour wins happened in the 2000s and his last pro bike race was only 2yrs ago

Almost as if he feels so invincible that he thinks he can get away with saying pretty much anything without being held to account.

That's what being knighted and being feted as a national hero does to you I suppose.

The truth will out eventually. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

 

[SundayRider]

Almost as if he feels so invincible that he thinks he can get away with saying pretty much anything without being held to account.

That's what being knighted and being feted as a national hero does to you I suppose.

The truth will out eventually. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

Its like he does everything he can to distance himself from LA, however when he was racing against him it was the total opposite.

 

[hrotha]

Someone should remind Wiggins about how this affects Pat, and about the embarrassingly open endorsement Wiggins is geting from the UCI.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I did. I'm no clearer. When did I query Kimmage's suspicions.

I noted them.

I explained how they might poison the atmosphere a bit between Wiggins and kimmage, whether he doped or not.

I also noted that none of us know, which is simple statement of fact.

But at no stage in this conversation did I query Kimmage's suspicions. I made no suggestion one way or the other on them. I was quite clear in fact, that I wasn't making a comment on the actual suspicions, at any point - only on the effect of their existence on the relationship between the men.

If you have read completely , and frankly obviously, non-committal words as somehow querying, that's a mistake you made, not me.

It really isn't that difficult.

I pointed out right at the outset, that when Kimmage is asked directly about if Wiggins is doping he says "I don't know".

What you have attempted to do since is dismiss Kimmage on some made up personality clash, which has no relevance to what Kimmage would ask.

That is exactly what PK was referring to when he said BW was following the LA blueprint, avoid the message and attack the messenger.

 

[BroDeal]

It is only a matter of time before Wiggins enlists Jenkins to write books for him.

I don't think there is much question anymore that Wiggins' TdF win is not legit. If he had spent years getting beaten by cheats while racing clean then he would be overjoyed that those riders are finally getting caught. Instead he is moaning about what a sad few months it has been while repeatedly trying to distance himself from the era. By the comments he has made you would think he started racing on the road as a neo pro in 2009 instead of having raced for nearly a decade on the road in Europe before that.

This guy absolutely cannot be trusted, and his fanboys are beginning to rival the Postal kit wearing freds that were deluded by Armstrong.

 

[Parrot23]

Yup, Wiggins was fully doped at Garmin in '09.

I also particularly enjoyed seeing Alberto and Evans and etc. fully focused on all those WC and Olympic pursuit races from 2000 to 2008. It was great.

(FYI: I doubt any GT winner is full clean; there are grey zones.)

 

[Cycle Chic]

Tom English Sums Wiggins UP

Brilliant article:-

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/tom-english-wiggins-soft-pedals-on-lance-armstrong-1-2741865

So we expected more from Wiggins in the seismic business of Armstrong’s confession. What we got last week was ambiguity and evasiveness, a mixed message that spoke to Armstrong’s accusers more than the accused and made you wonder what ever happened to his younger self.

and on Wiggin's Kimmage comments..

This does rather smack of looking down on the messenger while ignoring the message. Kimmage is eaten up with it? Shouldn’t everybody who cares so much about cycling be eaten up by the lies? Wiggins was eaten up by the lies himself in his previous incarnation as an outspoken critic.

Now he is unhappy at aspersions being cast at his own Team Sky despite their history of employing people whose link to performance-enhancing drugs was, in some cases, 99% north of “one per cent”.

Excellent article. Apologies if its already been posted.

 

[will10]

Brilliant article:-

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/tom-english-wiggins-soft-pedals-on-lance-armstrong-1-2741865
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Excellent article. Apologies if its already been posted.

Great find, thanks.

 

[The Hitch]

Could have done a lot.better at proving that wiggins looked up to lance than - he named.him in his top 10 tdf winners.

Hello he was praising him on podiums and said - i love him, and has his picture on his autobiography cover.

Still its good to see someone outside the clinic point out these massive contradictions.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Tom English

As the spiritual leader of the peloton and the most important bike rider in the world, Wiggins should be saluting the campaigners that have brought Armstrong and many others to account.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/tom-english-wiggins-soft-pedals-on-lance-armstrong-1-2741865

Somehow I cant see English ever getting a Sky interview. A la Lance.

 

[frenchfry]

It is only a matter of time before Wiggins enlists Jenkins to write books for him.

I don't think there is much question anymore that Wiggins' TdF win is not legit. If he had spent years getting beaten by cheats while racing clean then he would be overjoyed that those riders are finally getting caught. Instead he is moaning about what a sad few months it has been while repeatedly trying to distance himself from the era. By the comments he has made you would think he started racing on the road as a neo pro in 2009 instead of having raced for nearly a decade on the road in Europe before that.

This guy absolutely cannot be trusted, and his fanboys are beginning to rival the Postal kit wearing freds that were deluded by Armstrong.

Well said.

I don't waste a lot of time thinking about Sky. They did turn the 2012 TDF into a bore fest, but other than that I don't have much of an opinion.

I have a lot of trouble liking Wiggins though, partly because I can't figure the guy out. He just doesn't appear to even like cycling, and says so many stupid things that he is setting himself up for criticism by real cyling enthusiasts. His comments about Kimmage are typical - he would be better off to shut up and just give the finger to everyone he meets.

 

[SundayRider]

BW is scared of LA and what he might say, he doesn't want to criticize him openly and his trying to distance himself from the era because he doesn't want LA to come out with something like 'cycling is still and always will be a dirty sport', 'its just not possible to win the Tour clean' etc etc.

 

[SundayRider]

Reading that interview, its as if Wiggins is playing a game of 'how much can I say - without actually saying that 'I'm a doper just like Lance'. To say that he 'doesn't feel let down by LA' that quite frankly is beyond a joke.

 

[Benotti69]

Well said.

I don't waste a lot of time thinking about Sky. They did turn the 2012 TDF into a bore fest, but other than that I don't have much of an opinion.

I have a lot of trouble liking Wiggins though, partly because I can't figure the guy out. He just doesn't appear to even like cycling, and says so many stupid things that he is setting himself up for criticism by real cyling enthusiasts. His comments about Kimmage are typical - he would be better off to shut up and just give the finger to everyone he meets.

He has that in common with Armstrong. Wonderboy turned to cycling only because there was more money in it than Triathlons.

Wiggins comments about Kimmage should really make any cycling fans who think Wiggins was clean sit up and say "hang on, why shoot Kimmage?"

 

[BroDeal]

I have a lot of trouble liking Wiggins though, partly because I can't figure the guy out. He just doesn't appear to even like cycling, and says so many stupid things that he is setting himself up for criticism by real cyling enthusiasts.

I remember reading something by Wiggins where he thought of buzzing his hair down and everything he had to do for a race as the cycling Wiggins as opposed to the "real" Wiggins. It was clear that he did not even mentally identify himself as a cyclist or at least the cycling Wiggins did not fit the cool vision he had of himself. It was like a guy who has a crappy job he is embarrassed about and cannot wait to get back home so he can go with his mates, get drunk, and forget about what he does in the real world.

Too cool for school seems to fit Wiggins to a T.

 

[SundayRider]

He's never done anything else - its a job to him nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

It is only a matter of time before Wiggins enlists Jenkins to write books for him.

...

This guy absolutely cannot be trusted, and his fanboys are beginning to rival the Postal kit wearing freds that were deluded by Armstrong.

He could certainly do with a new ghostwriter. His latest autobiography was shockingly written.

Re fanboys, it may surprise you to learn that there are not many Sky kits on the road in my part of the UK. There are probably more USPS kits if anything. The fanboys - if that's what they are - seem to prefer HTC.

 

[del1962]

He could certainly do with a new ghostwriter. His latest autobiography was shockingly written.

Re fanboys, it may surprise you to learn that there are not many Sky kits on the road in my part of the UK. There are probably more USPS kits if anything. The fanboys - if that's what they are - seem to prefer HTC.

Maybe they prefer the ones that are cheapest

I note that Fabio Bartalucci has left Sky according to Tom English, and there is no mention of him as part of the current team on their website.