Wiggins' Discusses Lance and Landis

[euanli]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-calls-for-biological-passport-data-to-be-made-public

Just wanted to get in there before someone mistypes his name, however I managed to get a random apostrophe in there

But just standard stuff. Omerta if you dislike him. Not burning bridges and singling himself out in the pelaton if you don't dislike him. But the comments are non committal I would say. Lots of "probably"s

 

[Benotti69]

more omerta speak.

Wigans values are not available as far as i know and there were questions over them so he took them off the internet.

 

[Ferminal]

Would like to see Brad's 2009 (along with Lance and the rest of the top30) urine put through the DEHP test too.

Passport = irrelevant because when faced with the most suspicious passport in the public sphere the UCI did nothing.

Wow, this is really low for Wiggins tbh, he's usually fairly frank:

“I’ve always been a bit of a fan of Lance and have sided on the side of innocent until proven guilty with him. There isn’t an athlete or a cyclist out there that isn’t more tested than he is, certainly since his comeback, he’s probably been the most tested cyclist in the pro peloton and you take that on face value and that he’s never failed a drugs test and until he does he’s clean. That’s how I’ve always had as a stance on Lance.

Is this really the same guy who had steam coming out of his ears after leaving the 2007 Tour?

 

[auscyclefan94]

I initially agreed with Wiggins but then he started the armstrong crap and I lost all respect I had for him very quickly.

 

[Ferminal]

Most tested since his comeback, really? Either Brad is baiting us forum-goers or he's on the payroll.

He hasn't won a professional race since his comeback, never led any classification and done far less race days than most others? Heck he was even allowed to compete despite being "undertested" leading into the 2009 TdU.

 

[roundabout]

I guess once Wiggins got out of the gruppetto the self-preservation instinct kicked in.

 

[thehog]

So Brad its ok for you to have a drinking problem but not Landis? Yours is explained away by a book and father issues whilst Lanids can not? What happened to Wiggo from 2005 when he had zero tolerance on dopers.

The other point is its not just Landis making the claims. Do they all have drinking problems?

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“I think you have to question Landis’ credibility because he lied under oath before and the stories that you hear about him drinking and things like that and you know, [making] telephone calls to people I know, threatening them with things, you just think that the guy appears to not all be there. So when you see these kinds of claims in the press you have to question his credibility because it’s almost like it’s coming from a mad man, but at the same time maybe that’s all borne out of frustration and things.

“You just never know but you just look at the way his life has gone over the last five years and you think there’s one person who it would have been so easy to have just admitted it when it happened in 2006, come clean if he did do it and he would have been back racing in a professional team making pretty good money. It’s quite sad how his life has gone away, just dwindled away and now there’s all these claims and counter claims and it’s quite a sad story for him.”

 

[rolfrae]

Wiggins is schizophrenic in his responses to the doping question. Perhaps we can just put his current viewpoint down to Sky's media training? He used to be aggressively outspoken; now he is saying that a rider is innocent until proven guilty (and actually sanctioned). Doesn't he realise that this wishy-washy diplomatic b*ll*cks just makes him sound at best like a doping apologist, and at worse like a member of the elite dopers club?

We'll just have to wait and see if he changes his tune when Armstrong is finally proven in court to have cheated.

 

[Ferminal]

Here's a quick sample of some prominent cyclists 2009-2010.

Rodriguez:

153 Days
6 Wins
7 Days as leader

Cancellara:

157 Days
18 Wins
23 Days as leader

Evans:

155 Days
5 Wins
6 Days as leader

Gilbert:

174 Days
13 Wins
8 Days as leader

And now HWSNBN

Armstrong:

106 Days
1 Win (a TTT)
0 Days as leader

Who do we think has been tested the most now, Brad?

Note: Wiggins makes mention twice that "since his comeback, he's probably been the most tested".

 

[Chuffy]

more omerta speak.

Wigans values are not available as far as i know and there were questions over them so he took them off the internet.

Wow. Wiggy knows how to make things vanish from the internet? Someone didn't send the memo to Slipstream then, because his values are still there.
http://www.slipstreamsports.com/2009/07/31/bradley-wiggins-releases-blood-profiles

If 'omerta' = pro cyclists not saying exactly what we want to hear, can we have an equivalent word for 'kneejerk Clinic BS'?

 

[theswordsman]

Then there's the whole Landis has no credibility thing. Uh Brad, do the Italian police who raided Popo's house have credibility? Do other rider's who have confirmed what Floyd said have credibility? Haven't things advanced a bit since May?

I got to the Velonews article late, and when I scrolled down the comments, they were talking about major league baseball, and Lance not doing worse than any other cyclists. I just posted a quote from the story:

...the inquiry could result in charges against him of conspiracy, wire fraud, money laundering, racketeering, drug trafficking and defrauding the U.S. government.

I wrote Wiggins off as an interview a year ago after he'd posted November tweets about how hammered he'd gotten then told the British press a few months later that he was living like a monk and hadn't had a sip in six months. I could care less that he drinks, especially i the off season, it's the part where he lied for no reason and expected readers to nod their heads and talk about how dedicated he was.

 

[blackcat]

Would like to see Brad's 2009 (along with Lance and the rest of the top30) urine put through the DEHP test too.

Passport = irrelevant because when faced with the most suspicious passport in the public sphere the UCI did nothing.

Wow, this is really low for Wiggins tbh, he's usually fairly frank:



Is this really the same guy who had steam coming out of his ears after leaving the 2007 Tour?

Wigans, thats a double negative ol' chap.

 

[thehog]

I'd like to come back to the Tour, though. I don't see why guys like me should suffer because of a minority. There are riders like Geraint Thomas, who are the future, riders like the ones at Française des Jeux who are coming through, and there are guys like David Millar, who is a real ambassador for anti-doping. Things will get better. The people who are still doping are mainly the older generation and the riders who hang around with them. The sooner they are gone the better.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/jul/29/cycling.tourdefrance1

 

[Ferminal]

Wigans, thats a double negative ol' chap.

Haha, nice spot, maybe it was intended? I forgive you Sir Wigans.

 

[goggalor]

I think Wigans just went full ***.

 

[Benotti69]

Wow. Wiggy knows how to make things vanish from the internet? Someone didn't send the memo to Slipstream then, because his values are still there.
http://www.slipstreamsports.com/2009/07/31/bradley-wiggins-releases-blood-profiles

If 'omerta' = pro cyclists not saying exactly what we want to hear, can we have an equivalent word for 'kneejerk Clinic BS'?

why thank you very much an i notice a rise back to a normal level in his hemoglobin near the end of a week grueling race.

rest assured chuffer, the has been jerked back in.

 

[Benotti69]

I think Wigans just went full ***.

that might be the roids dude

 

[Ferminal]

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jul07/jul28news2

"I wouldn't say I'm bitter," He replied when asked. "I'm angered by it and it's made my determination to come through this whole thing and to prove that there can be clean winners in this sport."

Now the burden of proof lies with proving they are dirty, in a court of law does it Mr. Wiggins?

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/?id=/riders/2007/interviews/tour_wiggins_post07

"These guys are looked upon as heroes to some young guys - but for me they're not the heroes of the Tour de France - they never were for me," he declared.

I spent a lot of time in the group finishing an hour down most days and that's where the heroes are for me," he said. "Guys like Geraint Thomas, 21 years old - for the last two weeks I've watched him drag himself through the Alps and the Pyrenees on nothing but bread and water. For me they are the real heroes of the Tour de France - not the guys on the million Euro contracts who are being done for blood transfusions and things like that."

"I think the team managers have to take responsibility for this as well because they're willing to pay these guys who are under suspicion and have been involved in previous years in doping scandals. Ivan Basso, last year got thrown off the Tour is disgrace - [Discovery Channel's Johan] Brunyeel this year goes and signs him on a million Euro contract.

 

[BullsFan22]

I just think it's sad that we've gone this far without Armstrong being caught, yet. It shows how corrupt and manipulative society has become. As for Armstrong, he is a hypocrite, a liar, anda cheat. How one can go on lying so long and acting all high and mighty is beyond me. Even with the people and money surrounding him, he still must feel a little stupid inside! Hopefully he gets what he deserves.

 

[hrotha]

"Never tested positive" and "innocent until proven guilty" are perfectly reasonable things to say when you don't really know anything about what's going on. Problem is, I don't think any pro cyclist knows less than we do here at the Clinic. What's more likely? That they're somehow so naïve they don't know stuff all of us know, or that they don't think doping is a big deal because the doping culture hasn't changed?

("They" refers not only to Wiggins but also to Thomas and basically to everybody)

 

[thehog]

Vaughters told Brad everything that went on at Postal. Why is he pretending different?

 

[happychappy]

I guess once Wiggins got out of the gruppetto the self-preservation instinct kicked in.

He'd be stupid not to think like that though.

What happened to Wiggo from 2005 when he had zero tolerance on dopers.

He developed a taste for the orange juice of victory. Intravenous orange juice of victory.

 

[BroDeal]

How can anyone trust Wigans, Sky, or Garmin? He, just like all pros, has to know that Armstrong is a hardcore doper. He knows Armstrong is guilty. What is more, at Garmin at least one of the ex-Postal riders must have told him that the whole Postal team was dirty. Vaughters has said that he is open about his past with his riders. He has to have talked about the contrast between Slipstream and the teams that he rode for. So Wigans knows that Landis is telling the truth. Yet he goes to the press and defends Armstrong and badmouths Landis.

Wigans is a lying sack. And if he will lie about something when it would be far easier to deflect questions by refusing to comment then he would surely be willing to go further when he had a vested interest to lie,. I think we can safely assume that everything that he has ever said about clean cycling was a public relations sham.

 

[Ferminal]

He developed a taste for the orange juice of victory. Intravenous orange juice of victory.

Hold on - doesn't he realise that OJ is dangerous?

 

[happychappy]

Hold on - doesn't he realise that OJ is dangerous?

It's as safe as EPO! Dr Nick from The Simpsons said so!