Wiggins in clean tour win shocker?

[sniper]

This thread is about Wiggins

this thread is about quadrupel facepalms

(credits to LaFlorecita for coining that term)

 

[Geordieracer]

I declare Alejandro Valverde to be clean. Like you I am certain of it. So to prove you are for clean cycling, why don't you join me and others in supporting Valverde and hence clean cycling. Like you say, it must be true because i declare him to be clean, same way wiggins we must all accept now is 100% clean because you said it.

Thats kinda my point lol
Because a few faceless people on here claim hes doping he has to be
No proof , No evidence but hey who cares about that

Its my opionion i,m putting out there trying to give a fair balance to what is generally a very one sided arguament , you dont have to agree
just felt that its something i wanted to express

 

[Geordieracer]

Most of the Friggins fanboyism is verbally indistinguishable form the Armstrong fanboyism, with the minor difference that English jingoism is substituted for US jingoism.

The Schleck fanboys were in the same dreamland until last week.

I,m no Fanboy
Just someone who loves cycling
Its not dreamland

 

[Geordieracer]

FWIW, cycling doesn't really have the credibility to use 'he is clean, because I told you so' argument. So either add some meat to the potatoes, or be prepared that people won't readily accept what they are told.

I agree about the credibility issues
But there is NOTHING to suggest wiggins dopes , just the views of some understandably cynical clinic posters

 

[TheGeneral]

He won and he won clean

i,m 99% certain hes clean

Your contradicting Yourself.

What about the 1 % ???

 

[Geordieracer]

Your contradicting Yourself.

What about the 1 % ???

No I,m not
If you read the thread i say nothing in life is 100% certain never mind cycling

 

[will10]

It's weird but I find Wiggins' performance more believable than that of Rogers, Porte and Froome. Perhaps not believable, but more believable.

 

[Nocontest]

I think doping was rampant in this Tour.

Unfortunately, from watching it I think most of the riders outside of Sky seem to have made a switch to tranquillizers...'call me Mellow Yellow'

 

[Jeanne]

No from within the cycling community who are aware 1st hand of the past

Look, what is your point? If you have read this forum for years, what do you wanna tell people here?
As long as you don't come up with some REAL evidence, not just stuff like "I heard from someone who told my girlfriends brother in law that.... "
hell what? I would like to see some real proof for a change, I am seriously curious! So if you have that kind of information, bring it on! I would also really love to believe in what you say, but your word is not enough

 

[sniper]

Wiggins on Kimmage and UCI:

"Sometimes I think for certain people, whatever you do will never be enough, unless they came and lived with me for 12 months. And I'm not prepared to do that. Certainly not (with) Paul Kimmage," added Wiggins.

"The test of time is more important really, and the continuation of the fantastic job the UCI do," said Wiggins.

"I've lost count of the number of times I've been tested this week, blood and urine. It's the more we do that, the better our sport is becoming."

tripple facepalm right here.

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8499724

 

[Caruut]

Bradly wiggins has been exposed as a clean tour winner much to thge disapointment of cynical cycling fans

So i,ve read these forums for a few years now and i,ve finally been stung into action
The so called cycling experts on here twist and turn any information to try to prove there own view

However i think its blatently obvious that wiggins is clean , The way he rides is that of a clean rider
Why cant people just accept that the guy has worked hard and won the biggest crown in cycling

Oh and i,m not some blind fan i know all about the doping exploits of the past 1st hand

Give the guy his due
He won and he won clean

What is so blatant about it? There are a lot of questions yet to be answered by UKPR.

Leinders
Huge jump in performance in 2009
Year-long dominance
Froome - where did he come from?
Rogers - how is he producing his best ever numbers?
The forest/trees argument - while each of these things might make sense on its own, together they indicate that Sky have a serious edge over their competition whether legal or illegal.
Wiggins suddenly climbing better than everyone but Froome
Froome suddenly climbing better than everyone
That rant

Yeah, blatant. Don't come on here, say you're "certain" and then make these mealy-mouthed backtracks. Not cool.

 

[cineteq]

It's weird but I find Wiggins' performance more believable than that of Rogers, Porte and Froome. Perhaps not believable, but more believable.

I'm willing to give Wiggins a pass because of his track record, weight loss and progression. I could suspend belief. But I'm can't do that with his team. Just thinking of Froome makes me puke.

 

[spalco]

Wiggins on Kimmage and UCI:



tripple facepalm right here.

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8499724

I wouldn't want Kimmage living in my house for a year either.

 

[Dead Star]

This is all Deja vu. So we're supposed to just ignore everything from the past two decades and say 'yeah, he's clean. Fair play, they'd never do that'? (and I'm a Brit).

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I'm willing to give Wiggins a pass because of his track record, weight loss and progression. I could suspend belief. But I'm can't do that with his team. Just thinking of Froome makes me puke.

Ah no, we had been told this crap with Armstrong...

Man, Gerdemann showed up in 2010 like he just came off a hunger strike, yet it didn´t improve his results.

 

[Geordieracer]

The POINT is that there is nothing to suggest wiggins is doping
NOTHING all the increases in performance can be explined by certain things (too many to mention)
Its a free world i,m expressing my point , supporting someone whom i believe to be clean
I,m not even a huge fan on the ocasions we have met ive found him quite Aloof

 

[Geordieracer]

Ah no, we had been told this crap with Armstrong...

Man, Gerdemann showed up in 2010 like he just came off a hunger strike, yet it didn´t improve his results.

Lance rode in an era when sports in general where rife with drug use

Remember Brad was one of the best track cyclists ever before concentrating on the road

 

[Geordieracer]

Look, what is your point? If you have read this forum for years, what do you wanna tell people here?
As long as you don't come up with some REAL evidence, not just stuff like "I heard from someone who told my girlfriends brother in law that.... "
hell what? I would like to see some real proof for a change, I am seriously curious! So if you have that kind of information, bring it on! I would also really love to believe in what you say, but your word is not enough

Ive had the pleasure in life to mix with some very interesting people
And had some interesting conversations however i,m not about to start giving names on here
At some point you have to take the leap of faith

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Remember Brad was one of the best track cyclists ever before concentrating on the road

Yep, even that crap i heard before. Armstrong was the best one day racer, so it´s logic that he turned into a GT-Winner.

 

[hrotha]

At some point you have to take the leap of faith

No. Just no.

The history of the sport tells us that, if you take the leap of faith, you just plummet to the abyss.

 

[Caruut]

The POINT is that there is nothing to suggest wiggins is doping
NOTHING all the increases in performance can be explined by certain things (too many to mention)
Its a free world i,m expressing my point , supporting someone whom i believe to be clean
I,m not even a huge fan on the ocasions we have met ive found him quite Aloof

There is not "nothing to suggest". There is plenty to suggest (see my post above); there is nothing to prove it beyond doubt. Nothing either way. As for the laughable claim that "there are too many to mention". Come on lad, you'll have to do better than that around here.

 

[Geordieracer]

Yep, even that crap i heard before. Armstrong was the best one day racer, so it´s logic that he turned into a GT-Winner.

No But brad was

 

[Geordieracer]

There is not "nothing to suggest". There is plenty to suggest (see my post above); there is nothing to prove it beyond doubt. Nothing either way. As for the laughable claim that "there are too many to mention". Come on lad, you'll have to do better than that around here.

Lad Ha Ha its a long long time since i,ve been called that
I,m on here today only , got too much life to live to spend any quality time on here
Just wanted to put my view out in the open , I dont have countless hours to type or copy and paste endless points and arguments

 

[Geordieracer]

No. Just no.

The history of the sport tells us that, if you take the leap of faith, you just plummet to the abyss.

The word History Sums it up
Look to the future

 

[spalco]

No But brad was

Yes, he was, but one doesn't really have much to with the other. There's no doubt Wiggins is a great athlete, but the fact that he was great on the track already before becoming great on the road makes his achievement even more impressive (not more logical), and in turn suspicious.