Will Chris Boardman be on the French list for taking EPO.

[Don't be late Pedro]

Those results tell a lot Perico.

Oh, and Giro 1990.


Rank Name Country Time
1 Gianni Bugno Italy 91h 51' 04"
2 Charly Mottet France + 6' 33"

105 Greg LeMond USA + 2hr 53min 18sec

Clearly Mottet most have been an early user of EPO using your logic.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Oh, and Giro 1990.


Rank Name Country Time
1 Gianni Bugno Italy 91h 51' 04"
2 Charly Mottet France + 6' 33"

105 Greg LeMond USA + 2hr 53min 18sec

Clearly Mottet most have been an early user of EPO using your logic.

Barking up the wrong tree Perico, Mottet for me is a multiple GT winner. Nice try.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Barking up the wrong tree Perico, Mottet for me is a multiple GT winner. Nice try.

Which GTs did he win?

 

[Cloxxki]

Where there are super responders, there are also minor responders.
Perhaps EPO didn't turn every race horse into a climbing goat.

 

[Hugh Januss]

No, being professional never meant doping. Doping is being unprofessional. It is in violation of conduct set governing agencies and the sponsors.

Mapei had great team result but the sponsor quit because it got tired of dealing with all the doping problems within the team.

Rabobank was a good team but the sponsor quit because of doping scandals.

Radioshack didn't renew its sponsorship due in part to doping revaluations.

Liberty Mutual retracted sponsorship after Saiz got caught in a blood doping scandal.

Kelme ended its sponsorship after involvement in Operacion Peurto was found.

T-Mobile discontinued sponsorship after doping scandals.


How is it doing the exact thing which will chase away the company that pays your check being professional? Doping chases away sponsors. Sponsors don't really care about results that much. Almost all the teams I listed had very good results and the sponsors couldn't get away from them fast enough and everyone on those teams even if they didn't dope was out on their ***.

Where you have gone wrong here is that you are confusing "doping" and "getting caught doping". Sponsor's attitudes on the former tend to run from "don't want to know" to "don't care". It is the latter with which they have a problem.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Oh, and Giro 1990.


Rank Name Country Time
1 Gianni Bugno Italy 91h 51' 04"
2 Charly Mottet France + 6' 33"

105 Greg LeMond USA + 2hr 53min 18sec

Clearly Mottet most have been an early user of EPO using your logic.

How many TDF wins for your man Boardman? ZERO

How many TDF wins for Clean LeMond? Thatd be 3. You're really grasping at straws here man. Bringing up the results from 1 race, seriously?

Boardmans basically a glorified domestique.


Lets not start making Boardmans cycling HOF bust just yet ok?

 

[Netserk]

If you want to talk up LeMond go to the appropriate thread.

10 chars

 

[MatParker117]

How many TDF wins for your man Boardman? ZERO

How many TDF wins for Clean LeMond? Thatd be 3. You're really grasping at straws here man. Bringing up the results from 1 race, seriously?

Boardmans basically a glorified domestique.


Lets not start making Boardmans cycling HOF bust just yet ok?

He is in a cycling HOF.

 

[Gregga]

Lets ask Gilles Delion if he thinks Boardman was on the juice.

Dauphiné Libéré 1995
1 Miguel Indurain (Banesto - Pinarello) ESP 28h51'32''
2 Chris Boardman (Gan - Merckx) GBR 2'21''
48 Gilles Delion (Chazal - MBK - Koenig) FRA 57'50''

Gilles just got lazy, even Hein V. said so.

I was on the (hilly) stage 5 of this Dauphiné 95, on the top of last climb (col de Foureyssasse 7km@6.5%), BigMig was killing everyone except from Virenque in his wheel and Boardman 3 meters behind. I remember finding it strange as this climb is very hard in the last kilometer (9%), but at the time, every bike magazine was telling the story of Boardman loosing weight to climb and I probably believed it. We don't know yet for Indurain, but for sure Virenque was on EPO 2000UI/2 days, so Boardman

 

[del1962]

Why do some LeMond fanboys hate the idea that other cyclists might be considered clean?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

How many TDF wins for your man Boardman? ZERO
How many TDF wins for Clean LeMond? Thatd be 3.

How many GTs would Lemond have if he was riding in the same period of Boardman? ZERO

You're really grasping at straws here man. Bringing up the results from 1 race, seriously?

You have proved exactly my point. FGL posts some results and

Those results tell a lot

I do the same thing and suddenly it means nothing. My issue was that a result with no context does not say much when trying to make an argument here. This applies in both cases.

Lets not start making Boardmans cycling HOF bust just yet ok?

Unlike FGL (at least sometimes) you can't see the wood for the trees. You are just a sycophant.

Boardman may well turn out to be a doper. Many have and many will again.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

10 chars

I can only assume you send Parrulo a thank-you email every day?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Why do some LeMond fanboys hate the idea that other cyclists might be considered clean?

Yes, Lemond was clean but boardman could be clean too. imo.

 

[GuyIncognito]

Lots of very angry people in here.
Steroids and EPO tend to have that side effect

 

[Benotti69]

Lots of very angry people in here.
Steroids and EPO tend to have that side effect

takes a lot PEDs to obfuscate daily.

 

[manafana]

With the French senate releasing their list of rider's who took EPO in 98, will Chris Boardman be absent as he had a reputation as a clean rider in a dirty era. I know many refuse to believe that Boardman might have been clean so time to show your beliefs.

hearing he did would be real blow for me, but id have faith he wasn't anywhere near the epo.

 

[mikehammer67]

would be big news if his name came out

i hope he was clean myself

it would be significant if he was able to compete clean at that time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCI_Road_World_Championships_–_Men's_time_trial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycling_at_the_1996_Summer_Olympics_-_Men's_time_trial


where would he be elevated to if all the dopers he competed against were stripped out

 

[86TDFWinner]

Why do some LeMond fanboys hate the idea that other cyclists might be considered clean?

Who said I hated it? I think its awesome if another guy is clean. Problem is, people continue taking shots at LeMond and when asked to provide proof, they slither away. If Boardman is infact clean(and no one here knows 100% sure), then he's earned his praise. I've NEVER disliked clean riders.

That said, why can't LeMond haters just deal with the fact that Greg is clean. If you go back a few pages, Pedro whatever his name is, clearly took a dig at me as if because I'm a fan of the ONLYAmerican ever to win the TDF, and oh by the way happens to be clean when doing so, he apparently can't handle it.


Newsflash: not everyone doped. I sound like a broken record, but so do you all.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Who said I hated it? I think its awesome if another guy is clean. Problem is, people continue taking shots at LeMond and when asked to provide proof, they slither away. If Boardman is infact clean(and no one here knows 100% sure), then he's earned his praise. I've NEVER disliked clean riders.

That said, why can't LeMond haters just deal with the fact that Greg is clean. If you go back a few pages, Pedro whatever his name is, clearly took a dig at me as if because I'm a fan of the ONLYAmerican ever to win the TDF, and oh by the way happens to be clean when doing so, he apparently can't handle it.


Newsflash: not everyone doped. I sound like a broken record, but so do you all.

Where has anyone on this thread indicated that Lemond is not clean?

 

[mikehammer67]

the *** will hit the fan if boardmans name hops out


it prob get delayed now 'til after tour

 

[86TDFWinner]

Where has anyone on this thread indicated that Lemond is not clean?

FWIW, YOU brought my name into it, why? If you know Greg is clean, then why do you keep showing you have a problem of some sorts with that. Whatever floats your boat.

I get the impression you and 86TDFWinner like to think that Lemond is the 'only gay in the village' as it were (That is not literal before you go off on one).

Your impression would be wrong, but instead, you take ANOTHER shot at me and Lemond. I can take it if you can.


BTW, "if if if".......IF Wonderboy hadnt doped, hed be more respected here. LOTS of "ifs" in cycling and in life in general.

IF Boardman didnt dope, then good for him. Still hasnt been proven either way though right?

Oh and in 1990, who had the better year out of LeMond/Boardman?

Could it have been the guy who won his 3rd TDF, or the glorified domestique you're now worshipping at the altar of?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

FWIW, YOU brought my name into it, why? If you know Greg is clean, then why do you keep showing you have a problem of some sorts with that. Whatever floats your boat.

You brought yourself into it when you start claiming that Lemonds reputation is worth more than Boardman's. Is it worth more than Basson's or Mottet's as well?

If Boardman is clean and got the results he did during the EPO era then it says a lot about his talent.

Your impression would be wrong, but instead, you take ANOTHER shot at me and Lemond. I can take it if you can.


BTW, "if if if".......IF Wonderboy hadnt doped, hed be more respected here. LOTS of "ifs" in cycling and in life in general.

Could it have been the guy who won his 3rd TDF, or the glorified domestique you're now worshipping at the altar of?

And, what has who has the better record got to do with it? But going with that who had the better record in 1994?

You have taken umbrage at someone mentioning Lemond where there was no insinuation about him doping and run with it. Keep digging. I picked a race result that shows two clean riders deliberately - Mottet and Lemond - to show that a result where there is a huge difference does not mean that that the guy who came second is on EPO and the guy who came near last is clean.

Though Mottet's reputation is not worth as much as Lemond's I guess?

And, again I ask, how many GTs would Lemond have won racing in the same TDF period as Boardman?

Armstrong. Check.
Only American to win the Tour. Check.
Come on why don't you tell me Lemond's Vo2 Max I know you are dying to.

 

[86TDFWinner]

You brought yourself into it when you start claiming that Lemonds reputation is worth more than Boardman's. Is it worth more than Basson's or Mottet's as well?

I'm not sure, now we're onto two others who have nothing to do with Boardman. LeMond is clean, his rep speaks for itself. Boardman is a "don't know", as no one seems to know either way. I'll say the same thing about Boardman I have about LeMond: if you have any proof he was clean or dirty, then please post it. I don't know, so there's still reason to suspect him.


If Boardman is clean and got the results he did during the EPO era then it says a lot about his talent.

Another "if"........AGAIN, do you know 100% that Boardman is clean?

And, what has who has the better record got to do with it? But going with that who had the better record in 1994?

You have taken umbrage at someone mentioning Lemond where there was no insinuation about him doping and run with it. Keep digging. I picked a race result that shows two clean riders deliberately - Mottet and Lemond - to show that a result where there is a huge difference does not mean that that the guy who
came second is on EPO and the guy who came near last is clean.

Right......(I think).

Though Mottet's reputation is not worth as much as Lemond's I guess?

And, again I ask, how many GTs would Lemond have won racing in the same TDF period as Boardman?
Can't answer that....he didn't. How many would Merckx/Hainault have won in the same era? There's your answer.

Armstrong. Check.

And you know this how? This is your opinion or fact? Pleaze post evidence supporing it.

Only American to win the Tour. Check.
Come on why don't you tell me Lemond's Vo2 Max I know you are dying to.[/QUOTE]
Why? No need to......he has 3 TDF wins and 2 wcs and Boardman has what? A bike brand........I think we both know who's the more successful rider.


94 LeMond retired, still with a better career than Boardman could even possibly fathom.


But good attempt.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Wait a minute....I seem to recall Boardman taking testosterone(which at the time the governing bodies didn't allow, citing it was a form of doping) for his osteoperosis? If that's the case, your whole theory about Boardman being "clean" would be shot. Let's also wait to see if his name shows up on that list, for your sake, I'm sure you're hoping it doesn't.

Last I looked LeMond never took PEDs/epos.........looks like Boardman appears to have done such.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

You brought yourself into it when you start claiming that Lemonds reputation is worth more than Boardman's. Is it worth more than Basson's or Mottet's as well?

I'm not sure, now we're onto two others who have nothing to do with Boardman. LeMond is clean, his rep speaks for itself. Boardman is a "don't know", as no one seems to know either way. I'll say the same thing about Boardman I have about LeMond: if you have any proof he was clean or dirty, then please post it. I don't know, so there's still reason to suspect him.


If Boardman is clean and got the results he did during the EPO era then it says a lot about his talent.

Another "if"........AGAIN, do you know 100% that Boardman is clean?

And, what has who has the better record got to do with it? But going with that who had the better record in 1994?

You have taken umbrage at someone mentioning Lemond where there was no insinuation about him doping and run with it. Keep digging. I picked a race result that shows two clean riders deliberately - Mottet and Lemond - to show that a result where there is a huge difference does not mean that that the guy who
came second is on EPO and the guy who came near last is clean.

Right......(I think).

Though Mottet's reputation is not worth as much as Lemond's I guess?

And, again I ask, how many GTs would Lemond have won racing in the same TDF period as Boardman?
Can't answer that....he didn't. How many would Merckx/Hainault have won in the same era? There's your answer.

Armstrong. Check.

And you know this how? This is your opinion or fact? Pleaze post evidence supporing it.

Only American to win the Tour. Check.
Come on why don't you tell me Lemond's Vo2 Max I know you are dying to.
Why? No need to......he has 3 TDF wins and 2 wcs and Boardman has what? A bike brand........I think we both know who's the more successful rider.


94 LeMond retired, still with a better career than Boardman could even possibly fathom.


But good attempt.

Ok, point one. Learn to quote people's posts. It's simple and even you should be able to do it with some practice.

No one here knows if Boardman is 100% clean hence this thread. And even if he is found clean of these tests it does not guarantee it. The same logic applies to any rider.

In 90 (the year you chose) Boardman was still racing track primarily. Hence me choosing 94 when Lemond had retired i.e. it makes about as much sense.

So your argument is that Lemond is a better rider than Boardman, la, la, la. Yeah Boardman's record is that of a real clown.

Multiple Olympic medalist
Multiple track WC
World ITT
Multiple hour record holder
Multiple GT stage winner

Much of this during the EPO era. And therein lies the question. If he is clean how good could he have been before EPO.

And for the final time... Who the hell is arguing that Lemond is not clean? You still do not seem to understand the reason I brought up the result. Even FGL knew it was not a slight on Lemond.