Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[Benotti69]

And just to play devils advocate here. You buy that 50 picograms was a legit positive? C'mon bro? Really. They sent it to a special lab for the test? No? Do we do that for every rider?

A legit positive? They found clen, doesn't matter if the lab had the latest testing capabilities.

Did UCI send it there to find it to use against Contador? Why not? The UCI presidents have allegedly shown mafia like tendencies before.

 

[King Boonen]

And just to play devils advocate here. You buy that 50 picograms was a legit positive? C'mon bro? Really. They sent it to a special lab for the test? No? Do we do that for every rider?

Yes, it is. Those are the rules everyone has to obey.

As farad I am aware they did not send the sample to a "special" lab, it just happened that the lab the sample was sent to had a limit of quantification low enough for that test to be positive.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Prove he was on a doping program, because you can't. That is the ultimate head in the sand. Baseless, biased and puerile speculation without evidence from a Contador hater.

That's one way of looking at it, of course another might be that this statement comes from the head in the sand dreamworld of a Contador fanboy.

 

[SeriousSam]

We have to distinguish between a "legit positive", which is a legal concept defined by the organisations and "strong evidence he doped". It may not have been the former, but it definitely was the later because the only other possible explanation (the beef story) is ridiculous.

Now, if you're the type who needs a legit positive to believe someone's doping you may have to withhold judgement about Contador.

That was a few years ago, of course. These days and in particular today he's obviously pristinly clean as they haven't even found 50 femto gram of anything..thus far.

 

[Fzotrlool]

Riis has finally found the nasal gold mine? Inhalation is the new blood doping.

 

[Hugh Januss]

A legit positive? They found clen, doesn't matter if the lab had the latest testing capabilities.

Did UCI send it there to find it to use against Contador? Why not? The UCI presidents have allegedly shown mafia like tendencies before.

If UCI did that why was McQuack seemingly involved in covering it up before it was leaked?

 

[the sceptic]

lapreuvepar21 ‏@lapreuvepar21

last climb Emosson, power estimation Contador 30min17s (10,7 km 1066-1950m) 6,3 w/kg 433watts étalon with drafting during 25min

I struggle to see how Contador could be any cleaner.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I struggle to see how Contador could be any cleaner.

Seems normal to me

 

[webbie146]

I struggle to see how Contador could be any cleaner.

We as cycling fans should authorize him to juice. Without that the tdf will be more boring then watching paint dry on a wall. Sky train on every damn climb.

 

[Rollthedice]

We as cycling fans should authorize him to juice. Without that the tdf will be more boring then watching paint dry on a wall. Sky train on every damn climb.

There is no escape from the Sky train. But Contador sems to be back to scientific training methods.

 

[Digger]

I struggle to see how Contador could be any cleaner.

The one thing I look forward to is Walsh's reaction to Contador - he has backed himself into a corner.

 

[Mr. Larsen (DK)]

And just to play devils advocate here. You buy that 50 picograms was a legit positive? C'mon bro? Really. They sent it to a special lab for the test? No? Do we do that for every rider?

Do not be silly.

He had obviously spent Clen during his preseason to build his form up and then tapped some of his blood, which then has a small residue of Clen

He then uses she blood during the tour, which explains why they found a very small amount of clen in his blood.

There was no steak with clen in, it's just stupid people who believe in such a weak/stupid lie/story.

 

[sniper]

The one thing I look forward to is Walsh's reaction to Contador - he has backed himself into a corner.

but to whom does walsh answer anyway?
he'll stick to his narrative...
imo walsh is a lost cause. beyond salvation. with his last two books he's officially become a fraud himself.

 

[Ripper]

I assume you are referring to the ONLY test AC has ever tested positive for in any cycling race in his career, the one where he had 50 picograms of clen in his sample on July 21, 2010 at the TDF in spite of no clen in the samples of every test leading up to July 21.

Just so we are clear the 50 trillionths of a gram of clen that any normal, sane and rational person in the world will tell you was impossible to have had a performance enhancing effect - that juice? The juice that had no effect on his winning the 2010 TDF!

But it indicate that he probably has used it out of competition when he build up his form in order to loose some weight.

The low levels of clen could be a sign of blood doping. The Beef story nobody buys.

And just to play devils advocate here. You buy that 50 picograms was a legit positive? C'mon bro? Really. They sent it to a special lab for the test? No? Do we do that for every rider?

Here's the thing folks - when you've been made and perhaps what is known is too contentious to win a case, but there is something else that you can 'win', you go with the winnable case. The Clen positive was going to stick, so it was the case. That does not mean it was the only indicator that Bert was flying too close to the sun.

 

[Ripper]

I assume you are referring to the ONLY test AC has ever tested positive for in any cycling race in his career, the one where he had 50 picograms of clen in his sample on July 21, 2010 at the TDF in spite of no clen in the samples of every test leading up to July 21.

Just so we are clear the 50 trillionths of a gram of clen that any normal, sane and rational person in the world will tell you was impossible to have had a performance enhancing effect - that juice? The juice that had no effect on his winning the 2010 TDF!

RC Cola, just so we are all clear, no one who has been banned has been innocent.

 

[Jack (6 ch)]

but to whom does walsh answer anyway?
he'll stick to his narrative...
imo walsh is a lost cause. beyond salvation. with his last two books he's officially become a fraud himself.

How's that coffee, David?

 

[Walkman]

And just to play devils advocate here. You buy that 50 picograms was a legit positive? C'mon bro? Really. They sent it to a special lab for the test? No? Do we do that for every rider?

NO.

Do your homework.

Also "C'mon bro"?
Read. The. Rules.
Regarding doping and then get back here.

His positive test was as legit as Mühlegg's positive during the 2002 Olympic games.

 

[darwin553]

I am going to reserve my judgement until after tonight but if this form reversal continues some serious questions have to be asked of Contador whether he embarked on a course of action similar to what Armstrong did with his Motorola team after realising that all the european teams were doped up and he needed to do the same (even amp it up even more). Although this shouldn't be taken as an acknowledgement that Froome is on the take

 

[Walkman]

I am going to reserve my judgement until after tonight but if this form reversal continues some serious questions have to be asked of Contador whether he embarked on a course of action similar to what Armstrong did with his Motorola team after realising that all the european teams were doped up and he needed to do the same (even amp it up even more). Although this shouldn't be taken as an acknowledgement that Froome is on the take

Motorola?!

Do you think AC was clean in 2007? Or 2009?

 

[hrotha]

As a guess: he played it safe in 2013, after his suspension, while Kreuziger tested the new stuff the team had learned from a certain Dutch DS or whoever it was. It turned out to be kosher, as Kreuziger didn't have any problems with his tests or his BP, so in 2014 (and after seeing first hand that nope, the conservative program wasn't going to cut it) Contador also got on the bandwagon.

 

[Netserk]

Motorola?!

Do you think AC was clean in 2007? Or 2009?

You think Armstrong was clean when he started as pro?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

As farad I am aware they did not send the sample to a "special" lab, it just happened that the lab the sample was sent to had a limit of quantification low enough for that test to be positive.

Nah I think it's a bit more special than that. Cologne had just got some new equipment or finalised a test that was far, far more sensitive.

They signed an agreement with the race to receive some samples on three different days.

They sent those samples past 5 different, accredited WADA labs purely to test them with Cologne's new test.

They did not send any other samples.

It looks sus as all get out to me.

 

[Walkman]

You think Armstrong was clean when he started as pro?

I doubt he was on EPO or blood transfusions before Motorola. Other stuffs might have been in use but they pale in comparison with regards to effectiveness.

 

[Amazinmets73]

You think Armstrong was clean when he started as pro?

Not directed to me, but I bet he wasn't on EPO.

 

[Ferminal]

Contador crushing the Dauphine is highly unusual, looks like he found the Piti/Purito secret. Could surpass 2008 as the greatest stage racing season since 1998.