Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

To the bolded part, the message is that he trains very hard, to a degree that it might even be harder than anyone else, but no one can know that, because they don't actually know how Contador or his other rivals train. Even the un-informed reader will realize that, unless he's a fanboy of course.

For an alternate take on your post above, no one can know that, because they don't actually know how (hard) Froome trains, all we have are some anecdotes from his book that may or may not reflect reality. Even the uninformed reader will realize that, unless he's a fanboy of course.

The subtext goes back to the Armstrong quote I posted just above. Doping harder than other riders allows you to train harder than other riders.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Why don't you take it up with the first comment about how Riis only followed what the poster believes Sky are doing.


I mean 60% needing to learn about doping from anyone else, he most likely knows more about doping than the whole of Team Sky put together

The hypothesis that Sky found some new drug or protocol to get around the passport system and dope back up to previous levels has some merit. Your theory that the principals involved at Sky knew nothing about doping until Contador rang the bell for Clen. has none.

 

[del1962]

The hypothesis that Sky found some new drug or protocol to get around the passport system and dope back up to previous levels has some merit. Your theory that the principals involved at Sky knew nothing about doping until Contador rang the bell for Clen. has none.

Tell me where I said that.

Someone said something similar in a reply to this

It's all Skys fault. They went alien-mode, AC, Saxo and Riis are now serving them just their own medicine.

Now I highly doubt that Mr 60% could learn anything about doping from Sky, you could always ask Tyler Hamilton though

You take it up with the response but ignore the stupidity of the original post, well done

p.s I know the clinics hypothisis but I am more interested in reality

 

[the sceptic]

Tell me where I said that.

Someone said something similar in a reply to this



Now I highly doubt that Mr 60% could learn anything about doping from Sky, you could always ask Tyler Hamilton though

You take it up with the response but ignore the stupidity of the original post, well done

p.s I know the clinics hypothisis but I am more interested in reality

Of course you are del. Thats why you spend all your time arguing with other people instead of posting your own opinions.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Unfortunately, it was Contador's fault that Sky started doping in the first place. Sky saw Contador win the 2010 tour, then found out how he did it...

http://m.cyclingnews.com/news/alberto-contador-tests-positive-for-clenbuterol

After that, they knew what they had to do.

Tell me where I said that.

Actually I never said that you said that, it seems clear to me that is what laurel was inferring in her post however. So unless you logged in to the wrong account by mistake I guess you were just answering for her?

 

[laurel1969]

Actually Hugh, my post was in response to this...

It's all Skys fault. They went alien-mode, AC, Saxo and Riis are now serving them just their own medicine.

..which implies that prior to 2011 nobody was doping, and Sky invented it. Of course they didn't, and the only interruption in Contadors career-long alienism was his doping ban.

My post was tongue firmly in cheek, which is perhaps what threw you.

 

[sniper]

Actually Hugh, my post was in response to this...




..which implies that prior to 2011 nobody was doping, and Sky invented it. Of course they didn't, and the only interruption in Contadors career-long alienism was his doping ban.

My post was tongue firmly in cheek, which is perhaps what threw you.

before sky, the claim 'speeds are down = less doping' looked at least vaguely plausible.
thanks to sky, that claim has become a running gag in places like the clinic and twitter.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Actually Hugh, my post was in response to this...




..which implies that prior to 2011 nobody was doping, and Sky invented it. Of course they didn't, and the only interruption in Contadors career-long alienism was his doping ban.

My post was tongue firmly in cheek, which is perhaps what threw you.

I don't think anyone was implying that Sky invented doping, recent history would point to the fact that Sky certainly came up with something new to raise the bar and that the others have now caught up with it. Or it could be that Froome just had a super good year and a half while Contador just got a bit lazy in his training.
Maybe we are seeing the new clean wave in cycling?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rabottini-tests-positive-for-epo
Or maybe not.

 

[laurel1969]

Its plausible Sky may have had something, and the ztp enforced movements have spread it through the peloton, but I think it is also likely that nothing ever really changed. I'm not convinced the testing regimen is that much more effective and that has to be the driver for rider change. They won't do it under their own volition.

What doesn't make sense is the large change in Sky as a squad. It isn't as if they are 3rd rate riders. If Saxo and Astana are on Sky juice that would account for their strength but it wouldn't account for Sky's weakness.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Its plausible Sky may have had something, and the ztp enforced movements have spread it through the peloton, but I think it is also likely that nothing ever really changed. I'm not convinced the testing regimen is that much more effective and that has to be the driver for rider change. They won't do it under their own volition.

What doesn't make sense is the large change in Sky as a squad. It isn't as if they are 3rd rate riders. If Saxo and Astana are on Sky juice that would account for their strength but it wouldn't account for Sky's weakness.

Is Sky really so much weaker? They don't race in a vacuum, others being stronger makes you feel and look weaker. Froome seemed to generally have more teammates around him late in the hard stages than Contador did. Porte seemed less strong, Wigans was, well Wigans, and they seemed to run out of good luck at certain times. Who knows maybe they were even told to dial back the turbo a little. Mostly I didn't see anything that would be inconsistent with the theory that the others have closed the doping gap.

 

[laurel1969]

There is the issue of perception, but I take your point. They did look better at the Vuelta than the Tour.

 

[Race Radio]

Whatever Sky are on it has not worked this year. They did not win a single stage of any of the Grand Tours

There are many elements that make up the negative image of doping

Dopers who test positive
Dopers who use advanced, risky programs (Transfusions)
Dopers who use banned doctors
Dopers who clog the courts with ridiculous defenses
Dopers who push absurd media campaigns to obfuscate their doping
Dopers who use political power to deflect from their doping and obstruct their sanctions

Contador has done all of these things, but because he is a nice guy and an exciting racer he gets a pass from many

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Oh yeah, he's back on the juice.

Will he get popped for it, though?

My big guess is - probably not.

 

[bigcog]

before sky, the claim 'speeds are down = less doping' looked at least vaguely plausible.
thanks to sky, that claim has become a running gag in places like the clinic and twitter.

Yeh right:

http://www.dopeology.org/people/Alberto_Contador/

 

[sniper]

Whatever Sky are on it has not worked this year. They did not win a single stage of any of the Grand Tours

There are many elements that make up the negative image of doping

Dopers who test positive
Dopers who use advanced, risky programs (Transfusions)
Dopers who use banned doctors
Dopers who clog the courts with ridiculous defenses
Dopers who push absurd media campaigns to obfuscate their doping
Dopers who use political power to deflect from their doping and obstruct their sanctions

Contador has done all of these things, but because he is a nice guy and an exciting racer he gets a pass from many

you're saying you have more respect for dopers who do not test positive?

also, to be sure, when he was clogging the courts while giving BS interviews and doing fake lie detector tests he (and his fanboys 'n -girls) got all the flack he deserved right here in the clinic.
once he got his 1-year ban overturned and his TdF title stripped it was case closed for many.
His use of banned docs and what not, it's all been discussed at length in the clinic.
Now, discussing Contador in terms of "is he or isn't he?", or "how does he do it?", all simply isn't as exciting anymore, so it's logical he's not in the centre of clinic discussions. Is that what you mean with "gets a pass from many"?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Gooner must be happy.
No 8 finger salute

 

[Energy Starr]

I think Contador has made less enemies than Armstrong, which might make people less likely to snitch on him. Armstrong was a huge public figure, and a grade A *******, super many people wanted to see him go down.

He might also be smarter bout it, as I suspect they all are now. Only 2 or 3 people know...rider, doctor, source. Greatly reduces the Tyler Factor. Also, you don't try to get your whole effing team on the program.

 

[Race Radio]

you're saying you have more respect for dopers who do not test positive?

Clearly not.

It is funny that some of the folks who have so much hatred for Froome are also fans of Contador. He just won the Vuelta yet there is little of the polemic that surrounds Sky not winning any stages of any Grand Tour this year. Of course that could be because Contador is actually fun to watch, while Froome stares at his stem

 

[the sceptic]

people are different.

some spend all their time hating on Armstrong while making excuses for sky.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Clearly not.

It is funny that some of the folks who have so much hatred for Froome are also fans of Contador. He just won the Vuelta yet there is little of the polemic that surrounds Sky not winning any stages of any Grand Tour this year. Of course that could be because Contador is actually fun to watch, while Froome stares at his stem

It could also be because there are not any posters going to ridiculous lengths to try to argue that Contador is clean, not even LaFlorencita believes that one anymore. The same can not be said for Froome and a lot of the arguments have an oddly familiar ring to them.

people are different.

some spend all their time hating on Armstrong while making excuses for sky.

To be fair though nothing that Froome has done so far makes him anywhere nearly as hate able as Lance. If he threatens a few lawsuits then the game may change.

 

[peloton]

Clearly not.

It is funny that some of the folks who have so much hatred for Froome are also fans of Contador. He just won the Vuelta yet there is little of the polemic that surrounds Sky not winning any stages of any Grand Tour this year. Of course that could be because Contador is actually fun to watch, while Froome stares at his stem

I don't hate Froome. I just find his gigantic transformation very hard to believe, partly because he still looks so awkward on the bike and the seated spinning, which very few are able to do.

Landis was asked once if it is possible to win a GT clean? "No way".

So while being a Contador supporter, I don't think he is clean, but I accept it.
The way he stood up against Lance and Johan, that took some cojones and opened my eyes, no one ever did that before.

 

[laurel1969]

Which makes you MASSIVE hypocrite.

Of course Froome is a cheat. But why favour one cheat over another?

Its bullsh1t.

 

[peloton]

Which makes you MASSIVE hypocrite.

Of course Froome is a cheat. But why favour one cheat over another?

Its bullsh1t.

How come?
I like the way how Contador races, as I do with Nibali. Taking risks, not always relying on their teams. Willing to lose everything to take the risk of winning. It has nothing to do with doping but you know that, I hope.

 

[zastomito]

Cheat is a cheat is a cheat. Fan is not favoring Contador the cheat opposed to Froome the cheat. Fan is favoring Contador the rider more than Froome the rider. Same can be said about Froome's fans. No hypocrisy there. Claiming that clean Contador is beating doped up Froome would be hypocrisy. And vice versa.

 

[the sceptic]

Which makes you MASSIVE hypocrite.

Of course Froome is a cheat. But why favour one cheat over another?

Its bullsh1t.

What does that make you then? you obviously favor Froome since all your posts are pro Froome/anti Contador.