Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[GJB123]

Unlike the rest, Costa doesn't perform supernaturaly, plus we share nationality, plus I know him personally and that's why I'm sure he's not doping nor ever did.

Uhhuh, wining TdS in dominant style and becoming WC against known dopers tells you what? That he is clean? Boy you are funny? Ever considered stand-up comedy?

 

[BYOP88]

Yes i will admit it he is a doper but its so 2 faced here that Froome is doing something wrong yet fine for a "convicted doper". Dont you agree their as been a lil hypocrisy their? And you and bavarian rider are hilarious Contador is such a talent haha yeh he was all talent beating Rassmussen? What's your reply to that.


Let me guess youl say im talking rubbish and youl bypass the subject.

Don't think I've ever said Contador was 'a talent'. As it stands check the manifesto thread for my view on busted dopers and what should happen to them.

 

[Parrulo]

Unlike the rest, Costa doesn't perform supernaturaly, plus we share nationality, plus I know him personally and that's why I'm sure he's not doping nor ever did.

Oh my . . .

So Rui Costa = Greatest talent ever? After all he did beat those dopers last september after 7 and a half hours of racing.

 

[BigMac]

Lololol

Also why should you be less critical of him just because he has the same nationality as you?

It's not about being less critical. It's about cheering for Rui "former abarca and now Maxtin" Costa.

Uhhuh, wining TdS in dominant style and becoming WC against known dopers tells you what? That he is clean? Boy you are funny? Ever considered stand-up comedy?

Only his time-trial was dominant in Tour de Suisse, and he was always a good time trialist on hilly parcours. One may even argue he peaked in TdS whether the likes of Mollema, Kreuziger, peaked at LeTour - we'll never know because at some point Costa's GC ambitions went down the toilet.

As far as the WC is concerned, he won it against two of the dumbest riders in the peloton and an overcooked Nibali. He simply played his cards right by not working at the front and then bridging (with imense difficulties) to Purito. Outsprinting Rodriguez it's not the hardest thing to do you know, and Costa didn't get much of a gap.

Thanks for the compliment nevertheless.

 

[hrotha]

You can cheer for a doper too, you know, as long as you're coherent.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Oh good god. It's like a children's crusade in here. Hardly anybody is clean. Both in cycling and in all other pro sports. A few are clean or cleanish. But mostly not the guys at the pointy end of the races. It's the same across all sports and all nationalities, has nothing to do with whether someone is a nice guy or an egotistical a**. Pro sports = doping. It just does.

Contador has performed like this before, 2007,2009,2011 - anybody shocked by AC's performance today must not have been watching cycling very long.

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To me it seems obvious he had to dial back the juice for a little while, but has dialed it back up, either because he knows JB is about to spill all and his career will be over anyway, or more likely - with Cookson in charge, UCI is turning a blind eye to all doping instead of operating by the Pat/Hein rules of using anti-doping to play favorites, taking bribes and basically just match-fixing depending on who gets more "free reign." That's my opinion.

 

[BYOP88]

Oh good god. It's like a children's crusade in here. Hardly anybody is clean. Both in cycling and in all other pro sports. A few are clean or cleanish. But mostly not the guys at the pointy end of the races. It's the same across all sports and all nationalities, has nothing to do with whether someone is a nice guy or an egotistical a**. Pro sports = doping. It just does.

Contador has performed like this before, 2007,2009,2011 - anybody shocked by AC's performance today must not have been watching cycling very long.

He was pretty damn impressive in 2008 too.

 

[Beech Mtn]

He was pretty damn impressive in 2008 too.

This!

And so far he hasn't done all that much yet, just fake out the famed tactician Valverde. Which is not to say today wasn't a show, but there's probably lots more still to come for folks to get all hot and bothered about.

 

[gooner]

Most importantly, Contador fans are much less annoying since they dont believe in unicorns.

I have no problem with fans supporting Contador if that's what they want to do, I do however take issue when they come in from this position and go after Froome/Sky for dominant suspicious performances. After all, they were more than happy celebrating the Contador's ones of the past.

You can cheer for a doper too, you know, as long as you're coherent.

+1

 

[BigMac]

Oh good god. It's like a children's crusade in here. Hardly anybody is clean. Both in cycling and in all other pro sports. A few are clean or cleanish. But mostly not the guys at the pointy end of the races. It's the same across all sports and all nationalities, has nothing to do with whether someone is a nice guy or an egotistical a**. Pro sports = doping. It just does.

Contador has performed like this before, 2007,2009,2011 - anybody shocked by AC's performance today must not have been watching cycling very long.

No one is shocked. I think you missed it. The point is, just because doping has been around since ever, it doesn't mean the sport has to live with it forever. It's just unacceptable. It reaches a point when you become fed-up.

And for those who believe everyone dopes, what pleasure do they get from watching a complete farse? It's just excuses.

 

[GJB123]

No one is shocked. I think you missed it. The point is, just because doping has been around since ever, it doesn't mean the sport has to live with it forever. It's just unacceptable. It reaches a point when you become fed-up.

And for those who believe everyone dopes, what pleasure do they get from watching a complete farse? It's just excuses.

I really do wonder how you can stomach your countryman/friend Rui Costa being successful in this sport because as is rightly stated, everyone at the pointy end of the results is doing something else than just paniagua. You are being delusional.

 

[Beech Mtn]

No one is shocked. I think you missed it. The point is, just because doping has been around since ever, it doesn't mean the sport has to live with it forever. It's just unacceptable. It reaches a point when you become fed-up.

And for those who believe everyone dopes, what pleasure do they get from watching a complete farse? It's just excuses.

No. Fans have been through this before. And will do again. Fans being fed-up serves no purpose in the grander scheme of things - is just a waste of your own energy. Sports just aren't fixable. It's the very nature of professional sport. There is no righteous crusade against doping. It would be nice to have pure, clean competition, but the pro sports world isn't going to work that way. Ever.

 

[The Hitch]

I can't even enjoy these races anymore. The ***-quartet (Froome, Contador, Valverde, Rodriguez) don't just make a mockery out of this sport, they keep having to rub it in. It really makes me sick. What's the point? The only thing you find out is who injected to more dangerous levels than the other guy. Bunch of circus freaks.

A certain American might feel he deserves a place on that list.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Shows how much performance improves with a real coach instead of a dope pusher

More like the Tenerife magic rather than specific coach since
from this thread we can find:

... Altitude training [fails] as an alternative to blood doping to athletes. Of greater concern, however, is that altitude exposure seems misused by some athletes as a masking procedure since sports federations such as the International Cycling Union (ICU) exclude the analytical results of blood samples obtained for the Biological Passport in conjugation to altitude exposure, and, hence, it cannot be ruled that some athletes may go to altitude with the specific aim to dope knowing that potential blood samples will not be used.

(I guess that's why Henao is back too - altitude exposure invalidates blood reading for BP.)

 

[The Hitch]

Most people have absolutely no idea what anyone could do in a clean field. The only thing we can most likely say is that Valverde and Contador started doping earlier (at extreme levels) than Froome and Rodriguez (who, don't forget, was barely much of a climber untill age 29).

Rodriguez was doping before too, he just wasn't on a leaders program

 

[BigMac]

I really do wonder who you can stomach your countryman/friend RuisCosta being successful in this sport because as is rightly stated, everyone at the pointy end of the results is doing something else than just paniagua. You are being delusional.

Rightly stated? You mean frustrated convicted dopers and DS's spitting bull**** on how everyone dopes? Or do you mean some proper evidence?

Also, mentioning Rui Costa is pointless, because he is not the only successful rider I think is clean.

 

[The Hitch]

Most importantly, Contador fans are much less annoying since they dont believe in unicorns.

Well the contador fans on here maybe. Others not so much

 

[The Hitch]

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To me it seems obvious he had to dial back the juice for a little while, but has dialed it back up, either because he knows JB is about to spill all and his career will be over anyway, or more likely - with Cookson in charge, UCI is turning a blind eye to all doping instead of operating by the Pat/Hein rules of using anti-doping to play favorites, taking bribes and basically just match-fixing depending on who gets more "free reign." That's my opinion.

If he fears jb will tell all he should do exactly the opposite - not win.the reaction against him is going to be a lot stronger if he is the current world number 1 and even tdf winner, than if he is that guy who doped 5 years ago. Time erodes emotion.

 

[GJB123]

Rightly stated? You mean frustrated convicted dopers and DS's spitting bull**** on how everyone dopes? Or do you mean some proper evidence?

Also, mentioning Rui Costa is pointless, because he is not the only successful rider I think is clean.

Not everyone dopes, that is not what is said. You are using a straw man . But you can be pretty sure that successful riders are generally doped more or less. But by all means entertain me, who else besides Rui Costa is beating known dopers clean?

 

[TANK91]

Don't think I've ever said Contador was 'a talent'. As it stands check the manifesto thread for my view on busted dopers and what should happen to them.

Sorry Byop i meant Butterhead i thought you was same guy.

 

[BYOP88]

Sorry Byop i meant Butterhead i thought you was same guy.

No worries

 

[BigMac]

Not everyone dopes, that is not what is said. You are using a straw man . But you can be pretty sure that successful riders are generally doped more or less. But by all means entertain me, who else besides Rui Costa is beating known dopers clean?

How many times did Rui Costa beat dopers anyway? He did it in the WC, mainly for reasons I have already stated previously. He won Suisse in '12 against Schleck and Leipheimer but he struggled like he never did and had a super Valverde by his side. He beat Vino in 2011... Lol.

It's about other riders who are successful and clean, not those who beat dopers and are clean. Successful =/= beating dopers.

 

[proffate]

Not everyone dopes, that is not what is said. You are using a straw man . But you can be pretty sure that successful riders are generally doped more or less. But by all means entertain me, who else besides Rui Costa is beating known dopers clean?

Bart DeClerq won that one Giro stage a couple years ago. He /might/ be clean.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Oh good god. It's like a children's crusade in here. Hardly anybody is clean. Both in cycling and in all other pro sports. A few are clean or cleanish. But mostly not the guys at the pointy end of the races. It's the same across all sports and all nationalities, has nothing to do with whether someone is a nice guy or an egotistical a**. Pro sports = doping. It just does.

Contador has performed like this before, 2007,2009,2011 - anybody shocked by AC's performance today must not have been watching cycling very long.

edit-
To me it seems obvious he had to dial back the juice for a little while, but has dialed it back up, either because he knows JB is about to spill all and his career will be over anyway, or more likely - with Cookson in charge, UCI is turning a blind eye to all doping instead of operating by the Pat/Hein rules of using anti-doping to play favorites, taking bribes and basically just match-fixing depending on who gets more "free reign." That's my opinion.

Your cynicism is now the norm in the Clinic. All the brayers who are the most prolific posters and loquacious self appointed experts are just like you. It is as though there is no one left in the World in any sport who has athletic talent anymore, but rather are just juiced up also rans.

And while there is plenty of reasons for cynicism especially in cycling, the constant negativity in the Clinic is making the Clinic redundant. Your ultra negative view contradicts the reality that some humans are skilled at athletics and most are not. Your view counters the human experience, logic and reason.

Alberto is one hell of a talented cyclist. His only known positive is the clen in 2010 which everyone who understands the issue in his case could not have given him a performance enhancement in the 2010 TDF. All the other suspicions about him are just sheer speculation - navel gazing.

This thread is about whether or not in 2012 he would come back to the peloton juiced, We are now 2.25 years beyond that and the navel gazing is as idiotic as ever. I will declare my bias. I believe AC is the best GT rider of his generation based on his talent and athletic skill. Just like Cancellera is a great one day rider. Just like Cavendish is a great sprinter and so on. Just like Derek Jeter is a great baseball player or Ronaldo and Messi are great footballers or Kevin Durant is a great basketball player. Why - talent and athletic skill. No dope.

Some of you brayers need to get a life!

 

[Parrulo]

You can cheer for a doper too, you know, as long as you're coherent.

^^that

It's ok to cheer for dopers while calling out other riders on their doping.

What is wrong is calling other riders out on their doping while pretending/believing the guys you are cheering for are clean.

Particularly when those "clean" riders constantly layeth the smackett down on the doper's candy asses.