Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[ebandit]

tryer

Some people would say the first thing that comes to their feeble minds to discredit the best rider alive.

although i often try my feeble mind never managed to state anything that another laughed at

so what makes 'our' alberto the best rider alive?

a solo attack in the style of landis rasmussen pantani

exciting...................yes!

but believable? many are not so gullable

 

[LaFlorecita]

Contador dopes , like so many others but christ it aint personal. he doesnt claim to do it for clean cycling, he only ever claims to be clean in order to defend his repuation. He just shuts up, puts his head down, takes the drugs, wins the race, cdelebrates with all the other dopers, then goes home and lives his life.

Sky come in, tell the anti doping cycling fans - we have you covered, we will win the tdf for you, and then when the cycling fans ask," but wiggo why do you defend lance if you are anti doping" and wiggins responds - "shut up you ****ing ****ers"
It gets a bit personal.

+1 bla 10char

 

[rickibobbi]

oopsy!

well its not either\or but he might have dialed in his drug program starting today and/or he's properly fit, either way, its lights out for the others, as it should be, given everyone dopes, he's the best, everyone knows this, he didn't win the tour in 2011 because he put everything into the GIRO due to the ambiguity of whether he would be allowed into the TDF, (he shouldn't have been). I'm not a fanboy, its just that Contador, given the ubiquity of doping in cycling, has the goods relatively, a very very good climber that can TT. Does anyone think this year's TDF would have been the same if Contadaor and A Schleck were involved?

 

[armchairclimber]

Landisesque....a new adjective.
JRod is still the leader for me...the two ahead are cheats.

 

[zapata]

Did I miss some news today? I haven't read Jose Ibarguren was transferred to SAXO but yet Alberto did a Tom Boonen.

Plain old laughable.

Not even Alberto's run, how about al those SAXO's after the restday, again piling on the climbs.

The most laughable of course is Valverde.

Rodriguez must be ****ed off, or did he get the wrong equipment for today?

Only in Spain, again.

That's some bull****.

 

[mb2612]

Landisesque....a new adjective.
JRod is still the leader for me...the two ahead are cheats.

Purito cheated just as much as Valverde in 2006-7 as did the majority of the peloton. Valverde was just made an example of. I would rather cheer for him, knowing he has paid for his crimes, rather than supporting those who got off scot free.

 

[lemoogle]

Was it actually that blatant? I couldn't watch it but from what I've seen , contador barely held on to his lead quite a few riders not too far behind. Was it not more a tactical victory than a power victory? I'm not denying he might be doped. I'm just wondering if it's the same contador as for the last two weeks just with a smart move or if it's "had a steak on the rest day" contador performance.

I mean , we all agree contador clean > valverde clean, and we're clearly witnessing a juiced up valverde. I would think Juiced up Contador is better than just 6'' on juiced up valverde.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Interesting observations during today's commentary on Sporza.

They talked about Contador's (so far) successful comeback, but also briefly mentioned Riis' past and the Hamilton "Fuentes revelations". In addition, they were surprised how good Valverde was after the Tdf, when he was 'incapable of climbing just about any mountain' with the best, and, as far as I read their comments, noting that Valverde had expressed his doubts prior to the Vuelta about being able to participate competitively, they seemed to cynically attribute it to 'increased motivation.'

He climbed well in several TdF mtn stages.

Stage 10

11 Thibaut Pinot (Fra) FDJ-Big Mat 0:03:16
12 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team
13 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling
14 Nicolas Roche (Irl) AG2R La Mondiale
15 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale
16 Denis Menchov (Rus) Katusha Team
17 Alejandro Valverde Belmonte (Spa) Movistar Team
18 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling
19 Rui Alberto Faria Da Costa (Por) Movistar Team
20 Jerome Coppel (Fra) Saur - Sojasun
21 Maxime Monfort (Bel) RadioShack-Nissan
22 Janez Brajkovic (Slo) Astana Pro Team
23 Haimar Zubeldia Agirre (Spa) RadioShack-Nissan
24 Andreas Klöden (Ger) RadioShack-Nissan
25 Rein Taaramae (Est) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne
26 Frank Schleck (Lux) RadioShack-Nissan
27 Tejay van Garderen (USA) BMC Racing Team 0:03:33

Stage 16

11 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:07:09
12 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling
13 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling
14 Nicolas Roche (Irl) AG2R La Mondiale 0:08:07
15 Tejay Van Garderen (USA) BMC Racing Team
16 Jurgen Van Den Broeck (Bel) Lotto Belisol Team
17 Haimar Zubeldia Agirre (Spa) RadioShack-Nissan
18 Alejandro Valverde Belmonte (Spa) Movistar Team
19 Juan Jose Cobo Acebo (Spa) Movistar Team
20 Christopher Horner (USA) RadioShack-Nissan
21 Janez Brajkovic (Slo) Astana Pro Team 0:08:48
22 Pierre Rolland (Fra) Team Europcar
23 Thibaut Pinot (Fra) FDJ-Big Mat 0:10:01

Stage 17

1 Alejandro Valverde Belmonte (Spa) Movistar Team 4:12:11 (breakaway)
2 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:00:19
3 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling
4 Thibaut Pinot (Fra) FDJ-Big Mat 0:00:22
5 Pierre Rolland (Fra) Team Europcar 0:00:26
6 Jurgen Van Den Broeck (Bel) Lotto Belisol Team
7 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:00:37
8 Tejay Van Garderen (USA) BMC Racing Team 0:00:54
9 Christopher Horner (USA) RadioShack-Nissan 0:01:02
10 Daniel Martin (Irl) Garmin - Sharp 0:01:11

Based on the history of Contador being suddenly so much better than before the rest day. I mean on the Cuitu Negru he didnt even gap JRod and now two days later he "recovered" so much more than Purito did. Thats bull****, just as in the Tour of 2011, he got dropped on pretty much all the final climbs. Come second rest day, also known as refill day. The day after he drops everyone bar Sanchez and Evans, its hilariously obvious.

AC lost 13 seconds to Cadel in the mtns before the 2nd rest day. He lost 61s after it.

 

[armchairclimber]

Hell, give it to Froome then....though I don't think Purito has been proven/banned....yet.

 

[ebandit]

tactics

Was it actually that blatant? I couldn't watch it but from what I've seen , contador barely held on to his lead quite a few riders not too far behind. Was it not more a tactical victory than a power victory? I'm not denying he might be doped. I'm just wondering if it's the same contador as for the last two weeks just with a smart move or if it's "had a steak on the rest day" contador performance.

I mean , we all agree contador clean > valverde clean, and we're clearly witnessing a juiced up valverde. I would think Juiced up Contador is better than just 6'' on juiced up valverde.

only saw the final 30km when eurosport went live.........then the race was splintered into pieces

alberto was charging up the road in a small group..........behind jrod and valverde looked untroubled in another small group expecting alberto to blow

alberto left his group and raced ahead catching up with single riders who helped pull with alberto until alberto blew them away going on ahead alone

it was pure strength / agression no tactics!

if anyone rode the best tactically it was valverde who measured his effort until he could chase with teammates..............that's how he managed to limit his loss

valverde and a team mate v a solo alberto

once valverde took up the chase jrod was unable to keep up...spent!

 

[hrotha]

I don't think people will accuse me of being a Contador fan but I didn't see any performance shift today. Purito decided not to follow him. It was a tactical decision and he paid for it. Contador still lost time to his pursuers, which included some guys who had been in the break and who still managed to follow Valverde as he took 2 minutes on AC with the help of Quintana and Intxausti.

The only thing that changed is that Purito wasn't good today. The rest was pretty much the same we had seen before the rest day.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

only saw the final 30km when eurosport went live.........then the race was splintered into pieces

alberto was charging up the road in a small group..........behind jrod and valverde looked untroubled in another small group expecting alberto to blow

alberto left his group and raced ahead catching up with single riders who helped pull with alberto until alberto blew them away going on ahead alone

it was pure strength / agression no tactics!

if anyone rode the best tactically it was valverde who measured his effort until he could chase with teammates..............that's how he managed to limit his loss

valverde and a team mate v a solo alberto

once valverde took up the chase jrod was unable to keep up...spent!

Did you really watch the race?

Are you sure?

AC took 2 minutes on J-Rod and Valverde on the flat between the climbs and he only had to pull ~3km. That's it, 3km! The rest of the distance was covered drafting behind Paulinho or Tirralongo, so why would he blow?

 

[ebandit]

tirralongo

Did you really watch the race?

Are you sure?

AC took 2 minutes on J-Rod and Valverde on the flat between the climbs and he only had to pull ~3km. That's it, 3km! The rest of the distance was covered drafting behind Paulinho or Tirralongo, so why would he blow?

i'm just writing as i remember watching the race once this pm

alberto only rode with tirralongo for a short time and left him trailing

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

i'm just writing as i remember watching the race once this pm

alberto only rode with tirralongo for a short time and left him trailing

They rode together for the 6 km from the sprint to the start of the climb and then some way up the climb, hence why I estimate AC pulled about 3 km on the flats while J-Rod and Valverde were drafting. J-Rod hit the front before Tirralongo was spent and had to do the entire climb with no help, while Valverde had Quintana and Intxausti and brought back a whooping two minutes.

 

[sartoris]

It's pure bliss reading all the haters venting their bile in threads like this

That's the best sign for us Contador followers. He delivered an amazing performance and you just can accept it. But thats YOUR problem. I'm enjoying myself immensely

BRAVO CONTADOR, the best rider alive !

 

[sartoris]

And this is a free present for all of you Contador haters:

ENJOY !!


(Days like this are priceless)

 

[ebandit]

tirralongo

They rode together for the 6 km from the sprint to the start of the climb and then some way up the climb, hence why I estimate AC pulled about 3 km on the flats while J-Rod and Valverde were drafting. J-Rod hit the front before Tirralongo was spent and had to do the entire climb with no help, while Valverde had Quintana and Intxausti and brought back a whooping two minutes.

alberto left tirralongo with 12.5 km to go and rode pretty much that distance alone
this was when valverde left jrod giving chase
valverde picked up quintana and had the advantage of chasing alberto with his teammate + being fresher he was able to cut into albertos time

 

[ebandit]

ha ha!

And this is a free present for all of you Contador haters:

ENJOY !!


(Days like this are priceless)

that's cheered me up juveniles from the pro racing forum have infiltrated the clinic

 

[sartoris]

that's cheered me up juveniles from the pro racing forum have infiltrated the clinic

Thanks for the compliment, ebandit

 

[roundabout]

I don't think people will accuse me of being a Contador fan but I didn't see any performance shift today. Purito decided not to follow him. It was a tactical decision and he paid for it. Contador still lost time to his pursuers, which included some guys who had been in the break and who still managed to follow Valverde as he took 2 minutes on AC with the help of Quintana and Intxausti.

The only thing that changed is that Purito wasn't good today. The rest was pretty much the same we had seen before the rest day.

Contador got a good gap on the rest (other than Murito and Piti) on the second category climb. Maybe close to a minute?

Now, it may have been because of tactics and the others were unwilling to tackle the remaining 30+ kms in small groups or had nobody ahead.

Still, seeing a few pictures of Sky riding with 3 riders and still losing time to one Paulinho was a bit puzzling.

And I am not sure how tactical the decision by Rodriguez was. With 3 Saxos ahead I would have thought that he would have been clinging to Contador like a leech.

 

[pmcg76]

Contador got a good gap on the rest (other than Murito and Piti) on the second category climb. Maybe close to a minute?

Now, it may have been because of tactics and the others were unwilling to tackle the remaining 30+ kms in small groups or had nobody ahead.

Still, seeing a few pictures of Sky riding with 3 riders and still losing time to one Paulinho was a bit puzzling.

And I am not sure how tactical the decision by Rodriguez was. With 3 Saxos ahead I would have thought that he would have been clinging to Contador like a leech.

Yeah but SKY couldnt catch the JRod/Valverde group either and they had less of a lead than the Contador group. Not sure why SKY were so poor but they were, would Froome have been involved in the chase or sitting in?

I think only once did the cameras go back to the SKY group and it was SKY leading, not sure if all the other Top 10 contenders had riders assisting the chase but it would seem normal to do so.

The only person who seemed to be driving the Rodriguez/Valverde group was Losada, Ballan took a pull for some reason and then when Losada blew, JRod went to the front. Before Contador attacked it was essentially Paulinho v Losada pulling each group, then Contador/Tiralongo v Losada and finally Contador v Movistar v Rodriguez.

 

[RedFury]

This thread makes me feel dirty. I seriously wish I hadn't wondered into it. "The Clinic"? More like The Cesspool.

Still won't take away from what I felt was one of the greatest stages in cycling after having watched for close to 40 years.

Yeah I am old a cynical, but by the same token I know great riding when I see it. And today, I did.

 

[the big ring]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rodriguez-admits-defeat-in-vuelta

"It had been very fast from the moment the race started, and was supposed to be a calm day. And I was looking at the Saxo Banks and thinking ‘wow, they're riding well today.

Where have he we heard this kind of thing before?

Oh yeah. When Hampsten started getting dropped by guys he used to pummel.

When Bassons was getting beaten uphill by Virenque.

etc.

SSDDopers.

 

[silverrocket]

Based on the history of Contador being suddenly so much better than before the rest day. I mean on the Cuitu Negru he didnt even gap JRod and now two days later he "recovered" so much more than Purito did. Thats bull****, just as in the Tour of 2011, he got dropped on pretty much all the final climbs. Come second rest day, also known as refill day. The day after he drops everyone bar Sanchez and Evans, its hilariously obvious.

Your interpretation of the present is hilariously incorrect, but so to is your recollection of the past. AC does not actually have a history of having sudden performance boosts following rest days. I just went through the before/after for all his grand tour results where a mountain stage followed a restday, and he is actually quite consistent.

In 2011 the last mountain stage before the 2nd rest day was up to Plateau de Beille. Contador finished in an elite group of 8, (including Cadel Evans), 2 sec behind Schleck, who himself was in 3rd place, :46 behind the winner. The day after the rest day Contador finished in 12th place, 3 seconds behind Evans. 2days after Contador, Evans, and Schleck all finished in the same time, in 17th place.

In the 2008 Vuelta the day before the rest day Contador and JRod finished in the peloton, just 6 seconds behind an escape group. The day after the rest day Contador was 2:45 behind the leader, with JRod only 5 seconds behind him in 3rd place.

 

[The Hitch]

Based on the history of Contador being suddenly so much better than before the rest day. I mean on the Cuitu Negru he didnt even gap JRod and now two days later he "recovered" so much more than Purito did. Thats bull****, just as in the Tour of 2011, he got dropped on pretty much all the final climbs. Come second rest day, also known as refill day. The day after he drops everyone bar Sanchez and Evans, its hilariously obvious.

The other thing those 2 stages had in common was that on both everyone expected a tranquil day.

The better theory imo is that riders dont risk doping every day so Contador dopes on the day he suspects others wont

Also how do you explain him bonking on galibier than shining on lalpe? No rest day between those.