Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[hrotha]

But why Pate, Pate has a rep as a clean rider, which he obvioulsy hasn't really looked into, toi me Sergio whatever his name is comes across as the hypocrite here and why the anglo saxon references.

How does Sergio come across as an hypocrite in this case? He's called out Contador plenty of times, and, get this, long before he tested positive.

And the Anglo-Saxon references are there because there's such a thing as English-speaking media which is separate and distinct from that of other countries, and because the new cycling mantra has been put forward, mostly and originally, by Anglo-Saxon teams.

 

[del1962]

How does Sergio come across as an hypocrite in this case? He's called out Contador plenty of times, and, get this, long before he tested positive.

And the Anglo-Saxon references are there because there's such a thing as English-speaking media which is separate and distinct from that of other countries, and because the new cycling mantra has been put forward, mostly and originally, by Anglo-Saxon teams.

Well perhaps he should understand Pate's perspective better

Here is what DeCanio said about Pate in his confession

Sure enough my new Division 3 pro team, was about as clean as it got. At least for what I could see. I don’t believe everyone was clean but I would say almost all of us were. Mainly I drew strength from Danny Pate, Creed, Jonas, Svein Tuft, and Candelario as we trained together. We had many clean riders on my team.

 

[Beech Mtn]

But why Pate, Pate has a rep as a clean rider, which he obvioulsy hasn't really looked into, toi me Sergio whatever his name is comes across as the hypocrite here and why the anglo saxon references.

Maybe because Pate has long had a reputation as being a bit of an ******* on a personal level.

Gets back to that old notion that sometimes there are nice guys who dope and jackasses who are clean.

 

[del1962]

Maybe because Pate has long had a reputation as being a bit of an ******* on a personal level.

Gets back to that old notion that sometimes there are nice guys who dope and jackasses who are clean.

Thats what Creed said

 

[TheGame]

Self entitled WAG trolls internet and unearths trollish behaviour in return.
Quelle surprise and all that.
The threats are disappointing, but also their only card to play given they're most likely impotent to begin with.

I can't link to some of the threats made in question due to CN's family nature. Suffice it to say, threatening to rape someone, kill someone, hoping that they die of cancer, is well beyond trollish behaviour.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I can't link to some of the threats made in question due to CN's family nature. Suffice it to say, threatening to rape someone, kill someone, hoping that they die of cancer, is well beyond trollish behaviour.

An internet 'troll' is an abusive or obnoxious user who uses shock value to promote arguments and disharmony in online communities.

In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic

Sounds spot on to me.

Mind you, del1962 thinks I started a blog and this user name to troll Bradley Wiggins, so I am not surprised there's more people confused about what an internet troll is or does.

 

[Cyivel]

Sick ****ing *******s would be another way to describe the people that sent the worst stuff to her.

 

[gooner]

It's very obvious if you actually read his tweets and/or his blog. He sees Pate and others like him as an extremely hypocritical double-faced clown. He's not attacking the joke at Contador's expense (he's made tons himself), he's attacking what he perceives as blatant hypocrisy in Pate's part (and in much of Anglo-Saxon cycling and media).

I don't know this Sergio guy or his history of opinions, but I don't understand how he can see Pate as hypocritical.

Yes, he had his comment on Contador but he's also had his opinion on Danielson and he wasn't happy with Vino's win in the Olympics. I find him one of the more genuine riders on this.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I don't know this Sergio guy or his history of opinions, but I don't understand how he can see Pate as hypocritical.

Yes, he had his comment on Contador but he's also had his opinion on Danielson and he wasn't happy with Vino's win in the Olympics. I find him one of the more genuine riders on this.

Riding for the team with the most ridiculous transformations since cycling began.

That's hypocritical.

 

[gooner]

Riding for the team with the most ridiculous transformations since cycling began.

That's hypocritical.

Again, I think you should read what I said. All riders he has mentioned above have crossed the line before. It's only hypocritical if he doesn't do the same if indeed Froome does get popped himself in the future.

 

[hrotha]

Again, I think you should read what I said. All riders he has mentioned above have crossed the line before. It's only hypocritical if he doesn't do the same if indeed Froome does get popped himself in the future.

How hard is it to understand that, for those of us who think the top brass at Sky are obviously doping, riding for that team is very hypocritical, whether they've been busted or not? You disagree, fine, but don't make us go in circles around it.

 

[The Hitch]

Well perhaps he should understand Pate's perspective better

Here is what DeCanio said about Pate in his confession

How does that show Sergio to be a hypocrite?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Again, I think you should read what I said. All riders he has mentioned above have crossed the line before. It's only hypocritical if he doesn't do the same if indeed Froome does get popped himself in the future.

But he's clearly taking the p!ss by saying he ate steak in Irun - right? Or do you disagree?

He's hanging sh!t on someone. Not calling them out, given he already served a suspension.

Surrounded by impossible to explain performances.

That's hypocritical anyway you cut it.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

How hard is it to understand that, for those of us who think the top brass at Sky are obviously doping, riding for that team is very hypocritical, whether they've been busted or not? You disagree, fine, but don't make us go in circles around it.

I guess you could say the same for Bassons, no?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I guess you could say the same for Bassons, no?

As soon as Bassons hangs sh!t on other riders, on social media, sure.

But until then, wtf are you on about!?

 

[The Hitch]

As soon as Bassons hangs sh!t on other riders, on social media, sure.

But until then, wtf are you on about!?

He's saying that under those standards one could say Bassons is a hypocrite because he was on a doped team like Pate.

I disagree with hrotha on this though. Its possible maybe even likely Pate is being a hypocrite.

But he's not responsible for Sky's lies and improvements the way Froome, Wiggins and Brailsford are. He gets more leeway.

If he were pressed on his opinions, I find it difficult to believe inconsistencies wouldn't come out and he would come out looking as a hypocrite. But at the moment, I don't really know much about his opinions, all I remember is his part in the controversy over Valverde's crash back in the Vuelta 2 years ago.

I don't think you can call someone a hypocrite unless you have the 2 contradictory statements in front of you, and I don't think we have that for Pate.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

As soon as Bassons hangs sh!t on other riders, on social media, sure.

But until then, wtf are you on about!?

He was riding for a team that was doping.

How hard is it to understand that, for those of us who think the top brass at [Insert team] are obviously doping, riding for that team is very hypocritical, whether they've been busted or not?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Ok for my money he should be talking about Bilzharia and weightloss too - but can agree to disagree.

Steak and Bilzharia are the explanations for inexplicable performances / incidents.

Only steak gets mentioned.

 

[hrotha]

I guess you could say the same for Bassons, no?

Are you sure you want to compare the state of the current peloton to that of 1998? Do you think that'll help the thesis that Pate is not, in fact, a hypocrite? Because I'm pretty sure that would make Sky and most teams dirty, and Pate would still be quite vocal about fake cleanliness.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Are you sure you want to compare the state of the current peloton to that of 1998? Do you think that'll help the thesis that Pate is not, in fact, a hypocrite? Because I'm pretty sure that would make Sky and most teams dirty, and Pate would still be quite vocal about fake cleanliness.

Where do I compare the current peloton to 1998?

Neither did I state that Pate is not a hypocrite. I am just saying that (As Hitch seemed to get) if you apply the same standards that would mean Bassons is also a hypocrite. Maybe Bassons is? But if you take into account the context of what he was dealing with and his actions in general I think there are few people that would hold it against him.

Are you a hypocrite if you condemn doping and think most 'top' riders are doping but then follow one or more said riders? You could argue that is worse since a rider has his (potentially) his livelihood on the line and much more invested. As a fan are you (Not you specifically) not encouraging the whole circus?

 

[gooner]

How hard is it to understand that, for those of us who think the top brass at Sky are obviously doping, riding for that team is very hypocritical, whether they've been busted or not? You disagree, fine, but don't make us go in circles around it.

And you would have to be certain that Pate would have knowledge of this inside the team for then to call him a hypocrite here. You don't know that, neither do I with Pate either.

If Pate was calling out riders for just performance alone while being on the same team as Froome, I would understand the criticism. That's not case and as has been done with Contador now and others in the past , it was riders that had positives beforehand. There's no inconsistency here.

I have no problem with him doing this or continuing it for the future.

 

[hrotha]

Where do I compare the current peloton to 1998?

Neither did I state that Pate is not a hypocrite. I am just saying that (As Hitch seemed to get) if you apply the same standards that would mean Bassons is also a hypocrite. Maybe Bassons is? But if you take into account the context of what he was dealing with and his actions in general I think there are few people that would hold it against him.

The point is that Bassons literally had no choice. There were no clean teams at the time. Now, there are supposed to be, even if they're not at the top level. Bassons would have a choice now. If he rode for a dodgy team now while calling out other riders, then he'd be a hypocrite and comparable to Pate.

And you would have to be certain that Pate would have knowledge of this inside the team for then to call him a hypocrite here. You don't know that, neither do I with Pate either.

We know few things, but we all have our theories. I have trouble believing Pate would have absolutely no idea of what's going on. I've already acknowledged this is, like, my opinion, man, so I don't know why you guys keep insisting on it.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

What does all this hypocrite crap have to do with Contador?

 

[Granville57]

for the sport's sake, i hope Contador is caught sooner rather than later, and eliminated.

Caught for what?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

The point is that Bassons literally had no choice. There were no clean teams at the time. Now, there are supposed to be, even if they're not at the top level. Bassons would have a choice now. If he rode for a dodgy team now while calling out other riders, then he'd be a hypocrite and comparable to Pate.

By top level do you mean the best pro level or just pro-level. If the former which teams (other than maybe Garmin) would you consider 'clean'?

Or to put it another way... which teams could Bassons ride for now and not be a hypocrite.