Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[silverrocket]

So let´s all hope that AC will be beaten hard, devastating and mortifyingly in this Vuelta. AC shall never ever win a GT again. All his fame and wealth is built on lies and cheating. He is no inch better than Armstrong. These kind of guys, lying straight faced w/o feeling any guilt but playing the victim instead, are just verminous.

Keeping in mind that every single pro rider that has ever doped (or amateur rider that doped to become a pro) has built their level of fame and amount of wealth on "lies and cheating", WHO exactly are you hoping will beat AC "hard" in this Vuelta?

Of course we all want a clean winner of the Vuelta, but if a natural talent like AC is doping, what are the odds that another rider can defeat him without doping? And if AC is not doping, and can still win the Vuelta, how can we find any fault in that?

 

[Walkman]

And you wouldn't lie if you were in such a position of course. I don't say it's right but it's what most of us would do. Getting caught and then admitting is basically ruining your whole career. And that while knowing that the others aren't any better but are getting away with it.

I can only talk for myself of course, but I would never have to face that choice since I'd never dope such as AC, LA, piti and the rest. Disgraceful cheaters.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I can only talk for myself of course, but I would never have to face that choice since I'd never dope such as AC, LA, piti and the rest. Disgraceful cheaters.

But how can you be sure. I mean I know I'd never do things with needles because I am scared of them, but seriously you don't know what happens when you are a pro. I'm quite sure most of them would say the same thing if they weren't professional cyclists.

 

[Walkman]

Keeping in mind that every single pro rider that has ever doped (or amateur rider that doped to become a pro) has built their level of fame and amount of wealth on "lies and cheating", WHO exactly are you hoping will beat AC "hard" in this Vuelta?

Of course we all want a clean winner of the Vuelta, but if a natural talent like AC is doping, what are the odds that another rider can defeat him without doping? And if AC is not doping, and can still win the Vuelta, how can we find any fault in that?

And you are officially disqualified from further discussing the matter since you are unable to be objective. AC could be as much natural talent as Christopher Moreni for all we know....

 

[LaFlorecita]

And you are officially disqualified from further discussing the matter since you are unable to be objective. AC could be as much natural talent as Christopher Moreni for all we know....

Tests clearly show Alberto is a natural talent as do his years as a junior.

 

[Walkman]

But how can you be sure. I mean I know I'd never do things with needles because I am scared of them, but seriously you don't know what happens when you are a pro. I'm quite sure most of them would say the same thing if they weren't professional cyclists.

Because I have competed seriously (not with cycling though) in sports and I would never want to win by cheating. I'd rather be a lieutenant that a cheating capitan.

I'd choose too be the Per Elofsson of cycling insted of turn to dope.

 

[Walkman]

Tests clearly show Alberto is a natural talent as do his years as a junior.

Tests? What kind of tests?

Junior? Yeah, because you know he was clean back then? Heck, have you been to Spain? They are almost like the old Eastern Germany when it comes to doping.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Tests clearly show Alberto is a natural talent as do his years as a junior.

Then you won't have any problem providing them here? The man doesn't even want to release his V02max....

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Keeping in mind that every single pro rider that has ever doped (or amateur rider that doped to become a pro) has built their level of fame and amount of wealth on "lies and cheating", WHO exactly are you hoping will beat AC "hard" in this Vuelta?

Of course we all want a clean winner of the Vuelta, but if a natural talent like AC is doping, what are the odds that another rider can defeat him without doping? And if AC is not doping, and can still win the Vuelta, how can we find any fault in that?

Answered here:

AC could be as much natural talent as Christopher Moreni for all we know....

 

[LaFlorecita]

Tests? What kind of tests?

Junior? Yeah, because you know he was clean back then? Heck, have you been to Spain? They are almost like the old Eastern Germany when it comes to doping.

Then you won't have any problem providing them here? The man doesn't even want to release his V02max....

It was posted somewhere else this week:

I know Inigo San Millan always told me that Contador was the most gifted cyclist ever tested

Which was this test which was posted in the Alberto discussion thread which I can understand you don't visit very often:

http://www.bicycling.com/training-n...ngNL-_-1010820-_-08172012-_-transcendent_pain

After I recover, we meet in his office. San Mill&#225]

 

[LaFlorecita]

Because I have competed seriously (not with cycling though) in sports and I would never want to win by cheating. I'd rather be a lieutenant that a cheating capitan.

I'd choose too be the Per Elofsson of cycling insted of turn to dope.

Okay, good boy then. I don't know what I would do.

 

[Epicycle]

9 years ago Contador had been working with Saiz for a few years already. Obviously I don't know if he was blood doping at an early age, but it's definitely not out of the question. Hell, look at Genevieve Jeanson...Rene Aubut started her on EPO at 16 and kept her on it. Testing done on her at an early age would have made you think she might be the most talented female cyclist ever.

 

[LaFlorecita]

9 years ago Contador had been working with Saiz for a few years already. Obviously I don't know if he was blood doping at an early age, but it's definitely not out of the question. Hell, look at Genevieve Jeanson...Rene Aubut started her on EPO at 16 and kept her on it.

For two years to be exact.

 

[Walkman]

It was posted somewhere else this week:



Which was this test which was posted in the Alberto discussion thread which I can understand you don't visit very often:

http://www.bicycling.com/training-n...ngNL-_-1010820-_-08172012-_-transcendent_pain

Feels kind of weird to me. I mean, he could have been doped to the gills during that time aswell. Furthermore the article does not say anything about his VO2 Max as you could expect when you do a story like that.

Swedish XC-skier Gunde Svan had a VO2 Max of 80 when he was twenty and Per Elofsson had VO2 Max of 88 wich is insane. That's talent.

Andy freaking Schleck was second in his first GT at 22, wich is far, far better than AC at the same age. Doesn't that make him the most talented cyclist ever then?

Some random trainer saying AC is the best ever and not even release some numbers to back it up is bogus, atleast to me.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

For two years to be exact.

What's his V02max?

Not to forget, Alberto had his 'seizure' in 2004, the years 2003/2004 a lot of cyclist [again] died in their sleep. When was Manzono's collapse?

 

[the big ring]

What's his V02max?

Not to forget, Alberto had his 'seizure' in 2004, the years 2003/2004 a lot of cyclist [again] died in their sleep. When was Manzono's collapse?

I smell dots. Good pick up.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Contador probably had a few bags of blood, artificial hemoglobin and PFC just to impress San Millan.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

What does San Millan know anyway? He's just some Spanish fellow that is not a cycling performance expert. Please show me where he has climbed a HC mtn at 6 w/kg+? Sorry, but without "in the field" frontline experience, I do not consider him an expert. My opinion.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

What does San Millan know anyway? He's just some Spanish fellow that is not a cycling performance expert. Please show me where he has climbed a HC mtn at 6 w/kg+? Sorry, but without "in the field" frontline experience, I do not consider him an expert. My opinion.

I like your opinions.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Andy freaking Schleck was second in his first GT at 22, wich is far, far better than AC at the same age. Doesn't that make him the most talented cyclist ever then?

And of course you ignore the fact that Alberto had a terrible illness when he was 21, for which he had to undergo brain surgery and because of that he was out for the entire 2004 season.

Besides Andy was under Bjarne's wings from a very young age. If JB had picked up Alberto at the age of 18 which he originally wanted to do, I'm sure Alberto would have a much, much more impressive palmares at the same age as Andy.

Some random trainer saying AC is the best ever and not even release some numbers to back it up is bogus, atleast to me.

And that random trainer happens to be an expert of Garmin and Radioshack.

Don't forget that it's coming from Vaughters' mouth. San Millan doesn't have to release numbers because he hasn't even claimed it in public

 

[LaFlorecita]

What's his V02max?

How should I know

Not to forget, Alberto had his 'seizure' in 2004, the years 2003/2004 a lot of cyclist [again] died in their sleep. When was Manzono's collapse?

I have not much to say about this except that I find it absolutely PATHETIC that you insinuate his seizure in 2004 was due to doping. Even zam agrees and he doesn't like Alberto AT ALL. The doctors found that it was a congenital disorder and we have no right whatsoever to doubt that assesment.

 

[sniper]

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Don't forget that it's coming from Vaughters' mouth. San Millan doesn't have to release numbers because he hasn't even claimed it in public

From a PR point of view, it's not surprising Vaughters said AC was the best he'd ever seen. After all, Vaughters had to explain to the general public why he, an anti-doping crusader, wanted to hire AC, a rider considered by most unbiased cycling fans to be one of the biggest juicers in the field.

This doesn't mean, however, that Vaughters did not mean what he said. He may well have really meant it. It's hardly controversial that AC is at least one of the most talented riders out there.

On a personal note, and to show Florecita I'm not just another hater: one of the few things I really like about AC is his uphill style on the bike. It's graceful, it pleases the eyes. Contador vs. Froome/Wiggins is like classical music vs. thrash metal, spring blossom vs. weeping willows.
AC makes Froome and Wiggins look like the proverbial donkeys turned into racehorses. Never will any serious cycling fan claim that AC was a donkey turned into a racehorse.

 

[LaFlorecita]

from a pr point of view, it's not surprising vaughters said ac was the best he'd ever seen. After all, vaughters had to explain to the general public why he, an anti-doping crusader, wanted to hire ac, a rider considered by most unbiased cycling fans to be one of the biggest juicers in the field.

This doesn't mean, however, that vaughters did not mean what he said. He may well have really meant it. It's hardly controversial that ac is at least one of the most talented riders out there.

On a personal note, and to show florecita i'm not just another hater: One of the few things i really like about ac is his uphill style on the bike. It's graceful, it pleases the eyes. Contador vs. Froome/wiggins is like classical music vs. Thrash metal, spring blossom vs. Weeping willows.
Ac makes froome and wiggins look like the proverbial donkeys turned into racehorses. Never will any serious cycling fan claim that ac was a donkey turned into a racehorse.

 

[LaFlorecita]

from a pr point of view, it's not surprising vaughters said ac was the best he'd ever seen. After all, vaughters had to explain to the general public why he, an anti-doping crusader, wanted to hire ac, a rider considered by most unbiased cycling fans to be one of the biggest juicers in the field.

This doesn't mean, however, that vaughters did not mean what he said. He may well have really meant it. It's hardly controversial that ac is at least one of the most talented riders out there.

On a personal note, and to show florecita i'm not just another hater: One of the few things i really like about ac is his uphill style on the bike. It's graceful, it pleases the eyes. Contador vs. Froome/wiggins is like classical music vs. Thrash metal, spring blossom vs. Weeping willows.
Ac makes froome and wiggins look like the proverbial donkeys turned into racehorses. Never will any serious cycling fan claim that ac was a donkey turned into a racehorse.

.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

How should I know

No one seems to know.

I have not much to say about this except that I find it absolutely PATHETIC that you insinuate his seizure in 2004 was due to doping. Even zam agrees and he doesn't like Alberto AT ALL. The doctors found that it was a congenital disorder and we have no right whatsoever to doubt that assesment.

What I have read on the subject he had blood clots in his brains, then they discovered his illness in the vessels. Blood clots can come from certain PED's we know.

And, why does someone be titled as a hater when they have serious questions about certain riders? Don't be a baby.

one of the few things I really like about AC is his uphill style on the bike. It's graceful, it pleases the eyes. Contador vs. Froome/Wiggins is like classical music vs. thrash metal, spring blossom vs. weeping willows.

Indeed.