Will the hater threads explode on Cadel ?

[Martin318is]

Who did you expect to work for him? Basso Cunego Contador and Samu were way down on gc, in the case of the last 2 had no energy left anyway, and Frank Schleck just isnt going to work to bring back his teammate (youd think Cadel fans would have learnt that from Monte Grappa 2010). Tommy Voeckler is no mountain goat and could do nothing else but to hang on.

Cadel was the only person to whom Andy Schleck was a threat. Why should anyone else help him in his own private battle?

ah... I see. so you are saying that Cadel didn't do anything impressive because he was the only one of the GC contenders that HADN'T given up on winning the race at that point!

one thing though.... explain the attacks by Contador the next day.

 

[The Hitch]

ah... I see. so you are saying that Cadel didn't do anything impressive because he was the only one of the GC contenders that HADN'T given up on winning the race at that point!

one thing though.... explain the attacks by Contador the next day.

Huh.

Below is my post. Where do I say he wasnt impressive?

My post has absolutely nothing to do with any such question.

I dont even talk about Cadel. I talk about everyone but Cadel explaining why none of them had any obligation to work for him, which is something some Cadel fans sometimes expect from other riders.

It seems to me you made up an opinion and projected it onto me.

Who did you expect to work for him? Basso Cunego Contador and Samu were way down on gc, in the case of the last 2 had no energy left anyway, and Frank Schleck just isnt going to work to bring back his teammate (youd think Cadel fans would have learnt that from Monte Grappa 2010). Tommy Voeckler is no mountain goat and could do nothing else but to hang on.

Cadel was the only person to whom Andy Schleck was a threat. Why should anyone else help him in his own private battle?

If Cadel attacked and found himself with the poursuivants from the breakaway it seems to me some fans here would be shouting at their screens, furious that Jeremy Roy and Andrey Zeits arent helping Cadel bring back his opponents.

 

[sagard]

Cadel has always had plenty of hate for being a wheel sucker who never knew what to do. He'd have a problem and it would ALWAYS be someone else's fault. Even if it was, you don't say it out loud. Even his voice and his dog has been mocked. He slaps like a @$%@#.

But..... Then he took off and made a glorious attack and won the Rainbow Jersey on the road. Since then he has been brilliant. Epic Giro stage win. Fantastic showing in a classic. Now a nice tour win, backed up by a great stage win early in the race.

The guy is now truly awesome!

 

[hughmoore]

Who did you expect to work for him? Basso Cunego Contador and Samu were way down on gc, in the case of the last 2 had no energy left anyway, and Frank Schleck just isnt going to work to bring back his teammate (youd think Cadel fans would have learnt that from Monte Grappa 2010). Tommy Voeckler is no mountain goat and could do nothing else but to hang on.

Cadel was the only person to whom Andy Schleck was a threat. Why should anyone else help him in his own private battle?

If Cadel attacked and found himself with the poursuivants from the breakaway it seems to me some fans here would be shouting at their screens, furious that Jeremy Roy and Andrey Zeits arent helping Cadel bring back his opponents.

Agree, but has anyone worked out why the Quikstep rider in breakaway was working for Shrek?




Hugh

 

[Martin318is]

Huh.

Below is my post. Where do I say he wasnt impressive?

My post has absolutely nothing to do with any such question.

no, you were responding to:

if dragging everyone up the Galibier like a Lamborghini tractor in stage 18 wasn't winning, then nothing is.

in which context my point is entirely accurate. If you are going to say what you did: arguing that Cadel did not ride like a winner by ignoring the wheel suckers and riding down Andy himself then it is entirely fair to point out that that is absurd.

Its not a Cadel fan thing. Your statement suggests that you think that Cadel did nothing impressive and the only way that could be true is if every other GC contender had completely given up on the race. They all needed to beat Cadel AND Andy.

either way, meh - take the point or not, just don't go attacking single words in posts such as "impressive"

 

[bridgeman]

making threads is fun

So that's were he got this from!

 

[The Hitch]

If you are going to say what you did: arguing that Cadel did not ride like a winner by ignoring the wheel suckers and riding down Andy himself then it is entirely fair to point out that that is absurd.

Your post is very unfair. And here is why.

If i had actually said what you claim I said, then you would simply be able to quote me. You could either bold specific sentences, or erase everything else leaving the sentence which you want to address.

But instead of quoting me, letting me deal with my own words, you decide to write a paragraph yourself then tell me those are my words

If you read my post you will see that I talk about everyone but your "Cadel".

I go through a list of riders and explain why they did not have to work for him.

I then talk about how his fans would imo respond to a fictional situation.

Then the post ends.

You say my post is about Evans being unimpressive but if you decide to read it at somepoint, you will see it is about a totaly different subject.

And if Im wrong, you can always quote the bits in my original post that you believe imply Evans was unimpressive.

Somehow I doubt that will happen.

 

[Martin318is]

You're right hitch, you didn't use the word "impressive", I did. However, if you are willing to look beyond the semantics of hiding behind the usage of a single word, then you would see the following - The original comment that you quoted said:

if dragging everyone up the Galibier like a Lamborghini tractor in stage 18 wasn't winning, then nothing is.

which I quite reasonably interpret to be a statement that Cadel rode like a winner in doing all the chasing himself when he knew that at any moment he could be attacked by any of 3 or more GC contenders. (I call that impressive - your mileage may vary) You responded with the following - and given your obsession with bolding and quoting - I will disect your post for you:

Who did you expect to work for him? Basso Cunego Contador and Samu were way down on gc,

nobody said that they had to work FOR Cadel? thats nuts (and it is your words, not delbified's) they had to work for THEMSELVES. and they would be motivated to both catch Andy and attack Cadel to make as much time back as possible. They still had to beat Andy as well as Cadel if they wanted to win the Tour. If you are riding against these people on GC, you need to be VERY confident if you are going to let them sit on your wheel for km after km

in the case of the last 2 had no energy left anyway,

hindsight - nobody knew that at the time that Cadel started working, right up to the summit of the climb. They still looked like they could attack anywhere up the final climb.

and Frank Schleck just isnt going to work to bring back his teammate

Correct, he is instead going to sit in and prepare for an attack on the final climb. An attack that Cadel knows he needs to save energy to counter.

Tommy Voeckler is no mountain goat and could do nothing else but to hang on.

Well sure, except that like a few other GC riders he had a team mate that he could have put on the front but chose not to.

Cadel was the only person to whom Andy Schleck was a threat. Why should anyone else help him in his own private battle?

only if you accept that all the other GC riders had given up the tour completely with 1 and a half mountain stages to go. If instead you realise that they needed to ride in their own interests, it would be fair to assume that the fact they weren't assisting meant they were definitely going to attack.

If Cadel attacked and found himself with the poursuivants from the breakaway it seems to me some fans here would be shouting at their screens, furious that Jeremy Roy and Andrey Zeits arent helping Cadel bring back his opponents.

which shows that it is you with the preconceived ideas - not me. I only responded to your initial incorrect post - I didn't make assumptions about your reaction to stuff that hadn't happened.

Try assessing the situation on that stage from the perspective of Cadel, knowing only what he knew (or had to assume) at the time. Its very easy to make it seem like no big deal - but only if you are talking to someone who knows little about racing. Everyone else saw that as a VERY impressive piece of leadership - there, I said that pesky word again! oh no!

 

[dsut4392]

BTW, does anyone else think ACF94 and Spotzchick would make a cute couple.

OT, but I used to think Spotzchick was an ACF94 sockpuppet Same level of illiteracy and jingoism, but with less understanding of the sport.

Incidentally, both seem to have matured a great deal in the last 12 months and have come off my blocked list. Thanks to both of you for toning it down and contributing instead of brawling in the schoolyard!