women are right!

[fatandfast]

No more non equal pay for non equal work! This is fantastic! what a money saver. From now on the the gals will just race w the guys. The TT times will be compared and the race schedule will be oh so short. Finally equality no more mens/women's just pro racers. pro means pro.

If women's racing is to exist it should have qualified fields. If you can't get 150 race ready women then the race is to be downgraded..the day of. or if you can't pre register a field of 150 qualified ladies the race should be cancelled.Stop.I have been to Greenville,Philly,ManBeach and a few others ,the product is not the same,not worth the price.

It's your fault USAC.you suck completely. Pull riders that are dropped or out of contention/anywhere close. make sure the fans know there are pro gals just not by your standard. It's not a fun!! ride it's a race. If they are slow pull them. if you have to humiliate them by just how slow they are going, or have the teams understand the product and pull riders who are going single digit speeds in a race do it. Lance hosed everything up but this is so 1990.

Women's racing should cost twice as much as mens racing. The USAC should pay a pool of qualified,FAST, ladies to race week in and week out not anticipating local talent or anything else. There are fast women,less than men. Pay them!! Let them travel. Any pro,1,2 women's races w 30 riders lets down everybody.Stop.Just stop. There are great women athletes out there,this 30 girl clutch is stupid.

If there are 100 great women racers..but the team they ride for can only bring them to an event or two,step up USAC..at a loss,and get the BEST riders to the next venue. The sport grows and people see real quality racing and athletes instead of local pack poop.

why in the world,outside political correctness would this be brought up?

Fill the camps w super hungry girl riders and this will happen,don't force it because of Lance and his bike racings is completely f-cked up stance. It's not.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

agreed

.......

I get so sick and tired about woman whining in their sports. I want to watch top sports and unless a woman can be in the male ranks it's not topsport. as men go hardest, fastest, strongest etc.

 

[DominicDecoco]

Oh, here we go again...

 

[theyoungest]

agreed

.......

I get so sick and tired about woman whining in their sports. I want to watch top sports and unless a woman can be in the male ranks it's not topsport. as men go hardest, fastest, strongest etc.

Based on this argument, racing in Colombia really sucks. Because the strongest riders in the world aren't there...

 

[auscyclefan94]

agreed

.......

I get so sick and tired about woman whining in their sports. I want to watch top sports and unless a woman can be in the male ranks it's not topsport. as men go hardest, fastest, strongest etc.

I actually agree with you for the first time in my life.

 

[hrotha]

Based on this argument, racing in Colombia really sucks. Because the strongest riders in the world aren't there...

Well played, sir.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Well,i agree.. a woman named Susan is always right in this forum.

 

[Arnout]

Based on this argument, racing in Colombia really sucks. Because the strongest riders in the world aren't there...

At least the strongest riders in South America, which is a big continent (check Google maps).

I've told this here before, but I'll do it again for the benefit of cyclingnews.com. One of my mates occasionally cycled with the 2nd best Dutch woman cyclist (of 2-3 years ago). He is not a professional, not even an amateur, doesn't race, isn't member of any cycling club or whatever and only has time to ride once weekly. To be fair, I think he is quite talented (mainly because he is faster than me ), but despite all this, he was quicker than her over 80km most of the time. It means I can't take women cycling seriously. Part of the reason I watch cycling is the extraordinariness of it and watching women cycling isn't that: I could beat them myself if I took cycling slightly seriously.

Edit: to clarify, I have no problems at all with women cycling, if there is a market for it, go ahead. I don't think there is though, because of aforementioned reasons. At the very least, there is no (and there never will be) equality in performance, so it's unreasonable to ask for equality in payment, TV time or whatever, and I am against equalizing things like this artificially.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Based on this argument, racing in Colombia really sucks. Because the strongest riders in the world aren't there...

the strongest climbers in the world are there and that's what most racing is. climbing. besides the level difference between woman and man cycling is so pathetic. they even sprint sitting down any colombian pro male rider is better than the best woman in the world.

I'm sure if I trained hard I'd be better to. I'm an mma fighter myself and amateur one, although I fought in the ring for money. I trained and fought with woman that were european champions and world champions kickboxing. one of them is now in strike force as a pro mma fighter. I was so much better than her that during training she (and my trainer) forbid me to hit her in the face or kick her anywhere, while she was allowed to do anything to me. even then she was no match as I would bring her to the ground. female sports are laughable at best, save equestrian, which I don't even call a sport, unless you want to hang a medla on the horses neck and autoracing.

 

[theyoungest]

the strongest climbers in the world are there and that's what most racing is. climbing. besides the level difference between woman and man cycling is so pathetic. they even sprint sitting down any colombian pro male rider is better than the best woman in the world.

I'm sure if I trained hard I'd be better to.

Didn't Marianne Vos ride up the final climb of the Cauberg at the Worlds in the same time as Philippe Gilbert? Good luck with that.

It's such a moronic discussion really. "I only want to watch men's cycling because men are stronger than women". Who the f.ck cares, as long as there is a level playing field? I'd choose the Giro Donne anytime over 90% of men's races.

 

[Arnout]

Didn't Marianne Vos ride up the final climb of the Cauberg at the Worlds in the same time as Philippe Gilbert? Good luck with that.

It's such a moronic discussion really. "I only want to watch men's cycling because men are stronger than women". Who the f.ck cares, as long as there is a level playing field? I'd choose the Giro Donne anytime over 90% of men's races.

I do.

sdhfjdsghj

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

I only want to say that I totally agree with the title of this thread........

Susan

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Didn't Marianne Vos ride up the final climb of the Cauberg at the Worlds in the same time as Philippe Gilbert? Good luck with that.

It's such a moronic discussion really. "I only want to watch men's cycling because men are stronger than women". Who the f.ck cares, as long as there is a level playing field? I'd choose the Giro Donne anytime over 90% of men's races.

The fans of the sport? The networks? Let's face it, the male feminists on this board who love women's cycling represent a tiny minority. It doesn't get air time because the demand just isn't there.

 

[hrotha]

Whoa, hold on a second. You have to be a feminist to watch women's sports? What?

 

[theyoungest]

Whoa, hold on a second. You have to be a feminist to watch women's sports? What?

Yes, you commie lesbian.

What the above (interestingly, mostly Dutch) haters of women's cycling don't seem to realize that actually in their own country, viewership for women's cycling is as big as men's cycling. That is, if it is actually broadcasted, like at the Olympics and the Worlds.

 

[El Pistolero]

Didn't Marianne Vos ride up the final climb of the Cauberg at the Worlds in the same time as Philippe Gilbert? Good luck with that.

It's such a moronic discussion really. "I only want to watch men's cycling because men are stronger than women". Who the f.ck cares, as long as there is a level playing field? I'd choose the Giro Donne anytime over 90% of men's races.

2012:---1:33---(Gasparotto-Vanendert-Sagan)
2011:---1:26---(Philippe Gilbert)
2010:---1:31---(Philippe Gilbert)
2009:---1:43---(Sergey Ivanov)
1:41---(Gilbert-Cunego-Kolobnev)
2008:---1:33---(Cunego-F.Schleck)
2007:---1:51---(Stefan Schumacher)
1:46---(Davide Rebellin)
2006---1:47---(Frank Schleck)
2004---2:10---(Davide Rebellin)
1:56---(Bettini-Di Luca-Van Petegem)


Keep in mind that in AGR and the WC this year they came straight of a descent when they were climbing the Cauberg. That explains the faster times in 2012. Gilbert's time at the WC was a little faster than his time in 2011, but I don't know exactly how much faster. I think a couple of seconds.

You can check Marianne Vos' time your self if you want.

 

[skidmark]

I also don't think that there is the same demand or large talent pool for pro women's cycling (I mean, isn't that the reasoning behind equal pay, to encourage more participation?) But I really don't care, I think it's great if there are equal earnings. I don't really see how this affects me at all as a fan, my earnings for my job are going to be the same regardless.

 

[The Hitch]

the strongest climbers in the world are there and that's what most racing is. climbing.

Oscar sevilla and Felix cardenas are the best climbers in the world?

2012:---1:33---(Gasparotto-Vanendert-Sagan)
2011:---1:26---(Philippe Gilbert)
2010:---1:31---(Philippe Gilbert)
2009:---1:43---(Sergey Ivanov)
1:41---(Gilbert-Cunego-Kolobnev)
2008:---1:33---(Cunego-F.Schleck)
2007:---1:51---(Stefan Schumacher)
1:46---(Davide Rebellin)
2006---1:47---(Frank Schleck)
2004---2:10---(Davide Rebellin)
1:56---(Bettini-Di Luca-Van Petegem)


Keep in mind that in AGR and the WC this year they came straight of a descent when they were climbing the Cauberg. That explains the faster times in 2012. Gilbert's time at the WC was a little faster than his time in 2011, but I don't know exactly how much faster. I think a couple of seconds.

You can check Marianne Vos' time your self if you want.

What is the point of this post? We are trying to compare the times of.vos and Gilbert up the cauberg from the 2012 worlds and you post the time for every other cauberg ascent in history apart.from the relevant ones

 

[Arnout]

Yes, you commie lesbian.

What the above (interestingly, mostly Dutch) haters of women's cycling don't seem to realize that actually in their own country, viewership for women's cycling is as big as men's cycling. That is, if it is actually broadcasted, like at the Olympics and the Worlds.

That's because when it is on telly it's extremely hyped because we happen to have the best woman cyclist at the moment. NOS is very good at only focusing on sports when Dutch athletes compete, and only focus on the Dutch athletes: that's why male cycling coverage is dreadful and many people (not only CN.commers) watch male cycling on Sporza.

Remember when the Dutch ladies football (soccer) team was doing well a couple of years back, during a Euro Championship or something. NOS doesn't bother with women football usually, but when there is a bandwagon, they're very eager to jump on it. They broadcast one match, 2 million viewers. After that hype, no-one cares about women soccer anymore.

Long story short: those occasional viewing figures are not representative at all.

 

[The Hitch]

The problem with your arguments, to all of yous who celebrate that women's cycling is treated poorly and justify your misogyny with- " the demand isnt there, haha " is that demand works both ways.

There is less demand for.women's cycling because the races aren't being shown in the first place. If eurosport didn't show mens cycling i and many others in this country would never have been hooked in the first place. same goes.for.absolutely every sport out there. People don't just wake up and out of the blue say - i want to.be a fan of a sport where people do.this that or the other. The idea has to come.from.somewhere.

Its no coincidence that the sports where male and female competition run together and are broadcast together, are the sports in which women athletes achieve the greatest popular acclaim.

Why is there no demand for women's cycling? Because its not being shown in the first place.

 

[El Pistolero]

Oscar sevilla and Felix cardenas are the best climbers in the world?



What is the point of this post? We are trying to compare the times of.vos and Gilbert up the cauberg from the 2012 worlds and you post the time for every other cauberg ascent in history apart.from the relevant ones

Because I couldn't find those times. Though everyone with a little common sense knows she didn't went as fast as Gilbert.

 

[theyoungest]

That's because when it is on telly it's extremely hyped because we happen to have the best woman cyclist at the moment.

Yes, I know it's problematic when facts are introduced in the discussion, certainly when they contradict everything you say. Of course Marianne Vos helps the ratings, but I'm sure Philippe Gilbert and Tom Boonen help the ratings in Belgium...

NOS is very good at only focusing on sports when Dutch athletes compete, and only focus on the Dutch athletes: that's why male cycling coverage is dreadful and many people (not only CN.commers) watch male cycling on Sporza.

Sporza, where they don't focus on Belgian cyclists

Some hardcore cycling fans watch Sporza, yes. But the same goes for the women's race on Sporza...

Remember when the Dutch ladies football (soccer) team was doing well a couple of years back, during a Euro Championship or something. NOS doesn't bother with women football usually, but when there is a bandwagon, they're very eager to jump on it. They broadcast one match, 2 million viewers. After that hype, no-one cares about women soccer anymore.

Long story short: those occasional viewing figures are not representative at all.

Because the Dutch people don't know anything at all about women's soccer. Women's cycling, they're more informed about (if mostly due to our successful history in that segment of the sport) and this generates more interest. As is the case in most sports. That's why the Dutch don't watch shorttrack, and they do watch longtrack speedskating, although the former is very much the bigger sport.

 

[The Hitch]

Because I couldn't find those times. Though everyone with a little common sense knows she didn't went as fast as Gilbert.

To lend a line from my dear friends the wiggins and froome fans - you have no proof

 

[Arnout]

The problem with your arguments, to all of yous who celebrate that women's cycling is treated poorly and justify your misogyny with- " the demand isnt there, haha " is that demand works both ways.

There is less demand for.women's cycling because the races aren't being shown in the first place. If eurosport didn't show mens cycling i and many others in this country would never have been hooked in the first place. same goes.for.absolutely every sport out there. People don't just wake up and out of the blue say - i want to.be a fan of a sport where people do.this that or the other. The idea has to come.from.somewhere.

Its no coincidence that the sports where male and female competition run together and are broadcast together, are the sports in which women athletes achieve the greatest popular acclaim.

Why is there no demand for women's cycling? Because its not being shown in the first place.

To an extent, you're absolutely right. Again, I don't mind if TV stations choose to show women racing and sure, audience will grow if they show it. It will never be equal though, due to mentioned reasons (just look at interest for female vs male tennis, the most equal sport currently). Thus, demanding equality is, in my eyes, not justified.

Yes, I know it's problematic when facts are introduced in the discussion, certainly when they contradict everything you say. Of course Marianne Vos helps the ratings, but I'm sure Philippe Gilbert and Tom Boonen help the ratings in Belgium...


Sporza, where they don't focus on Belgian cyclists

Some hardcore cycling fans watch Sporza, yes. But the same goes for the women's race on Sporza...


Because the Dutch people don't know anything at all about women's soccer. Women's cycling, they're more informed about (if mostly due to our successful history in that segment of the sport) and this generates more interest. As is the case in most sports. That's why the Dutch don't watch shorttrack, and they do watch longtrack speedskating, although the former is very much the bigger sport.

Of course, I might be wrong. However, it's not because of your facts, as those are so situational that it is statistically rubbish to extrapolate them to a general setting.

I don't think there is a major difference between women cycling and women football though, they are both the female counterparts of the male sport, with a lot less interest but with the same rules. I struggle to see why there would be a lot more interest for female cycling in general (apart from the Vos phenomenon) compared to female football, considering male soccer is way more popular than male cycling.

 

[jens_attacks]

Because I couldn't find those times. Though everyone with a little common sense knows she didn't went as fast as Gilbert.

that's because you don't have my blog bookmarked

http://climbing-records.blogspot.ro/2012/09/caubergs-fastest-times-phil-sets-new.html

vos was/is an amazing athlete though.


there are amazing athletes in women cycling too but overall the level is a joke.