World Championship 2024 - Men's U23 Road Race: Uster-Zürich (173.5 km)

[Tim Cahill]

Bit of post-race drama going on with the contract situation

https://twitter.com/x/status/1839702732136919112

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Bit of post-race drama going on with the contract situation

https://twitter.com/x/status/1839702732136919112

Some riders can't even find a team to ride for, but this guy has at least two contracts? The cycling world isn't fair. Of course if they decided to cut him in half, they'd have two normal sized riders.

 

[RedheadDane]

It appears Søjberg doesn't quite agree with my assessment that the route is too hard for him.

It appears I was indeed correct.
He should have listened to me.

 

[Wvv]

2. Jarno Widar is a serious outlier in all categories (age, height, weight).

He is the real deal, me thinks. Put up a great fight against these big bullies.

 

[Slavique Nuke]

Bit of post-race drama going on with the contract situation

https://twitter.com/x/status/1839702732136919112

German guy should send a tweet like this now

https://twitter.com/x/status/1554527452231262210

View: https://x.com/OscarPiastri/status/1554527452231262210

 

[Unchained]

UAE turning up with half the team and going home with nothing, you love to see it.

Myopic views just are..
UAE w 2 twenty year olds in the break, 2 in the top 6, Jan Christen and Isaac Del Toro both getting decent results in ITT and Del Toro constantly improving on time trial bike and position. To say UAE got nothing has to be true, racing for country not trade team. UAE huge winner in U23..Hirschi racing lights out before exit to another team.. and UAE w elder statesman grand tour winner 26 years old.. Would say things look f@@king great for UAE. Del Toro absolutely destroying people up the climbs..in September.. He had a win in first pro race he ever did in Australia in January!! Breakaway 3 days in Vuelta and got combative rider award in one stage of his first grand tour.. UAE regardless of age or nationality have been absolutely fantastic all year!!

 

[Coffeeplanter]

Myopic views just are..
UAE w 2 twenty year olds in the break, 2 in the top 6, Jan Christen and Isaac Del Toro both getting decent results in ITT and Del Toro constantly improving on time trial bike and position. To say UAE got nothing has to be true, racing for country not trade team. UAE huge winner in U23..Hirschi racing lights out before exit to another team.. and UAE w elder statesman grand tour winner 26 years old.. Would say things look f@@king great for UAE. Del Toro absolutely destroying people up the climbs..in September.. He had a win in first pro race he ever did in Australia in January!! Breakaway 3 days in Vuelta and got combative rider award in one stage of his first grand tour.. UAE regardless of age or nationality have been absolutely fantastic all year!!

I have no idea what I'm reading.

 

[Unchained]

I have no idea what I'm reading.

UAE got almost everything, UAE efforts can hardly be described as fruitless, unless you didn't watch the races, on know professional progression of 20 year old racers.

 

[YavorD]

Denmark won nine medals at U 23 between 2011 and 2021. So expectations are high, and so they should be.

So you would prefer having Quaade, Wurtz Schmidt and Lasse Norman Leith winning medals in the U23 worlds than Vingegaard fighting for the Tour and Pedersen competing for the biggest classics?
I'd guess everything comes as a trade and would you change Vingegaard's success for a gold at the U23 worlds from a guy you'll never hear again?

 

[ppanther92]

Just saw the result. Interesting that big guys are quite dominant in the top places. Would have thought way too hard course for some of them.

 

[hayneplane]

Excellent race. What a classics beast Behrens can become. The weather played its part in making the selections but chapeau to the riders for being aggressive.

 

[Jumbot]

I have no idea what I'm reading.

An obsessed man's rant because you've made a remark about UAE team, but fooled you be not, it's actually about Del Toro, the object of his obsession, so there's the need to explain to us all how everything is going well in the richest and best team in the world and how Isaac had a great season...
Widar>Del Toro though...

Nordhagen really bad and was about to do the TT too before he disappeared from startlist without replacement, maybe he doesn't have the minerals in this bad weather.
And Behrens is an interesting rider with his size, who needs Van Dijkes if the rumor is true

 

[kingjr]

Rumour has it that the road race is Küng's main target.

I'm no longer that confident about Italy not bringing Ganna. Then again, you're racing against 3 of the foul four.

Looking at yesterday's race maybe they should have brought Milan lol

 

[Danskebjerge]

So you would prefer having Quaade, Wurtz Schmidt and Lasse Norman Leith winning medals in the U23 worlds than Vingegaard fighting for the Tour and Pedersen competing for the biggest classics?
I'd guess everything comes as a trade and would you change Vingegaard's success for a gold at the U23 worlds from a guy you'll never hear again?

I was mainly thinking of the national teams.

 

[YavorD]

I was mainly thinking of the national team.

Then again, would you trade the success of the Danish riders for a U23 TT success (as that was the case 10 years ago)?
If not, you really have no reason to be unhappy with the state of the Danish cycling at the moment. It's not easy to have it both ways.

 

[Danskebjerge]

Then again, would you trade the success of the Danish riders for a U23 TT success (as that was the case 10 years ago)?
If not, you really have no reason to be unhappy with the state of the Danish cycling at the moment. It's not easy to have it both ways.

Nevertheless, it's a very disappointing season for Denmark overall. And you can see it in the rankings. Having been among the five strongest nations in the world for years, Denmark has now dropped to 9th.

Of course if you think of Denmark as a minor cycling nation, it's fine to be 9th. But I don't. It would go against all statistics to do so.

 

[RedheadDane]

Nevertheless, it's a very disappointing season for Denmark overall. And you can see it in the rankings. Having been among the five strongest nations in the world for years, Denmark has now dropped to 9th.

And not that long ago, being 9th would been considered pretty good. It's just that the last few years have been... kinda crazy.
(Just out of curiosity; where are you finding the ranking?)

 

[Danskebjerge]

And not that long ago, being 9th would been considered pretty good. It's just that the last few years have been... kinda crazy.
(Just out of curiosity; where are you finding the ranking?)

Procyclingstats, and then a button that says "nations" (as I recall). But you can easily waste time on Procyclingstats searching for stuff. 😏

 

[RedheadDane]

Procyclingstats, and then a button that says "nations" (as I recall). But you can easily waste time on Procyclingstats searching for stuff. 😏

OOh, I thought you were refering to the UCI ranking.

 

[Danskebjerge]

OOh, I thought you were refering to the UCI ranking.

Well, Procyclingstats normally have both, but that may not be the case in terms of the nation level. In any case, I would assume it's the same result more or less.

 

[RedheadDane]

Well, Procyclingstats normally have both, but that may not be the case in terms of the nation level. In any case, I would assume it's the same result more or less.

I was looking at the UCI ranking on PCS, and they have Denmark in 5th, that's why I was confused about where you got 9th from.

 

[Jack_89]

Well, after watching the women, I don't think the so called big guys have some hope against the remco/pogacar. Even if they survive the zurichstrasse, they will pay the effort on the witikon since there is no time to recover. Witikon which could be a threat to all if the light turns out after 250km and +4000m D+ meters.

 

[Danskebjerge]

I was looking at the UCI ranking on PCS, and they have Denmark in 5th, that's why I was confused about where you got 9th from.

It's because Procyclingstats always update more frequently than the UCI. Denmark has dropped four places. A top result on Sunday may change that a bit. But the other big nations tend to score well at the world championships.

 

[Danskebjerge]

Well, after watching the women, I don't think the so called big guys have some hope against the remco/pogacar. Even if they survive the zurichstrasse, they will pay the effort on the witikon since there is no time to recover. Witikon which could be a threat to all if the light turns out after 250km and +4000m D+ meters.

I agree with the last thing you say there. It's a tough course, and many things can go wrong. I think it's hard to say which type of rider is favoured. The U23 was won by a pretty heavy German. We haven't seen any real climbers do well in any of the races, as far as I can tell. But yeah, a 70 kilo kind of guy may have an advantage.

 

[YavorD]

Nevertheless, it's a very disappointing season for Denmark overall. And you can see it in the rankings. Having been among the five strongest nations in the world for years, Denmark has now dropped to 9th.

Of course if you think of Denmark as a minor cycling nation, it's fine to be 9th. But I don't. It would go against all statistics to do so.

But if you want to go with statistics, care to remind me the average position of Denmark through the decades? With all my respect, you get Italy, Spain, France, Belgium, The Netherlands and perhaps Australia and the UK as bigger historically. Then you could add Germany, Switzerland and Colombia to some extent. That leaves Denmark in 8th and 9th is around their natural position. Saying that, to me 5th position is, according to statistics you cited (of course, you didn't go too far back historically as it didn't suit your position, but yeah), more of a punch above your height than something normal to go by.
And that 9th position was heavily impacted by Vingegaard, AWP and Pedersen's crashes and Slovenia winning all 3 GT's. Again, as danish you have no reason to complain about the state of Danish cycling at the moment.