World Championship 2025: Men’s ITT, September 21

[Penninepeddler]

You can absolutely complain about those temperatures!
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That is a nice late spring or early autumn day when you live in the Iberian Peninsula or Southern France like half the pro peleton do aha.

South of France near Nice and Monaco today was 27c with worse air quality and far more humidity aha.

 

[Cycling111]

This should be a wake up call to Prudhomme (or even his boss, the CEO of ASO) to get Gouvenou and Guillen in line

The best TT rider is not currently the best climber and the best climber is not anywhere close to being the best TT rider.

Put in the very long flat ITTs and make Remco defend in the mountains and make Pog defend in the very long ITTs. We'll actually see a bike race then

Ganna overtook Pogacar in the European Championship. Pogacar lost 30 seconds against Ganna in a 36 kiloemeter flat time trial at the Giro d'Italia.
Remco won't gain more than 2 minutes on Pogacar in a Tour de France time trial, even if it's 40 kilometers long.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

You can absolutely complain about those temperatures!
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You can complain (I also don't like heat) but there was no sun and humidity was bearable. Not that bad at all.

 

[Unchained]

That is a nice late spring or early autumn day when you live in the Iberian Peninsula or Southern France like half the pro peleton do aha.

South of France near Nice and Monaco today was 27c with worse air quality and far more humidity aha.

San Diego ( Alpine) 26 degrees light rain.. I would settle for African experience.. Pretty sure Remco loves everything about the place right now!! Americans can't get bread right.. France and Germany mastered it..I am not sure why watching NFL, bike racing in the rain makes me think of food!
Here's the Worlds that British riders are doing..

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9TDbgz4CZFg

 

[Danskebjerge]

Best international result for Leknessund for a year or more. Came out of nowhere really.

 

[Cookster15]

Can't say I expected that. Remco amazing, congrats to him. He obviously nailed that also on a tough course at altitude. Temperature was 26C , warm but not too bad for a 50 minute effort.

Jay Vine a great ride for 2nd - confirming his form shown in the Vuelta.

Not sure what to say about Pogacar, just seems a bad performance by him even caught by Remco. Questions will be asked? Maybe we see now he is human. No excuses, but I have difficulty reconciling today with the form he showed in 2024 even after winning the Tour.

 

[Samamba]

Pogacar a bit worse than I expected (don't think he's in really good form), but also no idea why people thought this was going to be close. Remco is so far ahead in TTs. Pog shines in TT's in GTs cause his recovery is OP.

Let's hope this means Sunday won't just be a long solo.

 

[ktel]

Remco won as (I and probably most people?) expected and what a great achievement to win the TT 3 times consecutively, massive silver for Vine and Van Wilder in bronze gave Belgium 2 spots on the podium.

Pogacar did his best but can't compete with a TT specialist like Remco. I would have liked to see him on the podium though and he just missed it by one second.

I was impressed with his reaction in congratulating Remco immediately and in his post race interviews was honest with his disappointment in missing the podium but praised Remco and would allow himself to be disappointed today but then would be focused on the road race.

 

[red_flanders]

You can absolutely complain about those temperatures!
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That'll get ya slapped in California.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Best international result for Leknessund for a year or more. Came out of nowhere really.

Apparently he’s been targeting this the whole season and especially after the Tour he’s invested a lot in preparations. He (and Foss, which unfortunlately didn’t start today) did beat Wærenskjold on a completely flat and fast NC course, so he’s been showing some nice TT promise this year.

 

[Berniece]

Let's hope this means Sunday won't just be a long solo.

No worries, Remco doesn't have the acceleration that Pogacar has, so it takes a bit longer before he can go solo to victory.

 

[ktel]

Can't say I expected that. Remco amazing, congrats to him. He obviously nailed that also on a tough course at altitude. Temperature was 26C , warm but not too bad for a 50 minute effort.

Jay Vine a great ride for 2nd - confirming his form shown in the Vuelta.

Not sure what to say about Pogacar, just seems a bad performance by him even caught by Remco. Questions will be asked? Maybe we see now he is human. No excuses, but I have difficulty reconciling today with the form he showed in 2024 even after winning the Tour.

Why would anyone question that Pogacar is human ? He's not a machine. He put himself out there competing in the TT IMO. The road race is obviously where his strength lies.

 

[ktel]

he will win the RR by minutes and all this handwringing will be replaced by "The GOAT! The GOAT!" in the space of a week.

I just thought I'd check out the reactions in this forum a while after the race and the amount of doom mongering is off the charts. I can't say that I'm surprised though .

 

[Cookster15]

Why would anyone question that Pogacar is human ? He's not a machine. He put himself out there competing in the TT IMO. The road race is obviously where his strength lies.

Pogacar has won TTs before. The issue is today everyone was fresh. When Pogacar wins TTs everyone has racing in their legs. But still being Pogacar I think its fair to say he under achieved today on a course which should have suited him.

 

[ktel]

Pogacar has won TTs before. The issue is today everyone was fresh. When Pogacar wins TTs everyone has racing in their legs. But still being Pogacar I think its fair to say he under achieved today on a course which should have suited him.

Maybe but I don't see it as being the end of the world as many people here seem to think it is- perspective is needed.

 

[Low is rhe new high]

Why would anyone question that Pogacar is human ? He's not a machine. He put himself out there competing in the TT IMO. The road race is obviously where his strength lies.

Are you sure he is not half machine? Maybe he has an hidden electric motor in his hips?

 

[yaco]

Jay Vine can win the road world championship.

Has shown nothing in one day races, so it will be a shock if he gets near the win.

 

[houtdffan]

I'm referring to stage 21, a 33.5 ITT (not MTT) from Monaco to Nice.

I'd say that was an MTT. Not a traditional one, but one more akin to the 1997 or 2013 ones where there was both ascending and descending

 

[houtdffan]

Ganna overtook Pogacar in the European Championship. Pogacar lost 30 seconds against Ganna in a 36 kiloemeter flat time trial at the Giro d'Italia.
Remco won't gain more than 2 minutes on Pogacar in a Tour de France time trial, even if it's 40 kilometers long.

If Pog has a day like today in a real ITT (meaning 50-60 km), Pog is losing > 3 minutes. That's what I mean by putting in real TTs. Put 2 of them in the race, like all the other previous climbers had to contend with.

Gouvenou and Guillen are stuck in the Contador vs Froome era, not the current one

 

[Cycling111]

Has shown nothing in one day races, so it will be a shock if he gets near the win.

Yes, but he had never beaten Pogacar in a time trial either. Pogacar had always finished ahead of him, except today

If Vine has finished "only" a minute behind a supersonic Remco in a time trial, in a tough race, I wouldn't rule out his performance being exponentially superior comparing today.

 

[Netserk]

Pogacar a bit worse than I expected (don't think he's in really good form), but also no idea why people thought this was going to be close. Remco is so far ahead in TTs. Pog shines in TT's in GTs cause his recovery is OP.

Let's hope this means Sunday won't just be a long solo.

I don't think it's all that much about recovery as it's about a different prep. Last we had a stage 1 ITT, both Pogi and Vingegaard did really well. But they and all competitors prepare for a GT then, whereas the WCTT takes a very specific prep, better suited for specialists.

Had this been stage 1 of the Tour, Pogi would easily be 2nd. And maybe even 1st.

 

[HashRouge]

If Pog has a day like today in a real ITT (meaning 50-60 km), Pog is losing > 3 minutes. That's what I mean by putting in real TTs. Put 2 of them in the race, like all the other previous climbers had to contend with.

Gouvenou and Guillen are stuck in the Contador vs Froome era, not the current one

He's never had a bad TT in a grand tour though. He's finished within a respectable distance of both Remco and Ganna in flat TTs at the Tour and the Giro, and beaten both when the road goes uphill. I'd enjoy watching it though, because like you say it could add a bit more jeopardy. Not sure I'd want two flat TTs though, they're not good for TV viewers.

 

[red_flanders]

I'd say that was an MTT. Not a traditional one, but one more akin to the 1997 or 2013 ones where there was both ascending and descending

It was certainly mountainous. It was classified as an ITT., so objectively not a MTT.

All beside the point I was making which was simply that Remco has in fact been beaten, and handily, in GT ITTs

Mountain or not was a retort which had nothing to do with my minor point.

 

[Red Rick]

If Pog has a day like today in a real ITT (meaning 50-60 km), Pog is losing > 3 minutes. That's what I mean by putting in real TTs. Put 2 of them in the race, like all the other previous climbers had to contend with.

Gouvenou and Guillen are stuck in the Contador vs Froome era, not the current one

And then Evenepoel loses back 3 minutes on the first MTF. Good times.

 

[Red Rick]

I don't think it's all that much about recovery as it's about a different prep. Last we had a stage 1 ITT, both Pogi and Vingegaard did really well. But they and all competitors prepare for a GT then, whereas the WCTT takes a very specific prep, better suited for specialists.

Had this been stage 1 of the Tour, Pogi would easily be 2nd. And maybe even 1st.

Look Netserk, what we clearly fail to understand is that time trials in Grand Tours are a very poor representation of time trials in Grand Tours, and we should instead look at one day time trials near the end of the season where everyone has had wildly different preperation, becuase they resemble time trials in Grand Tours much better.