World Championship 2025: Men’s ITT, September 21

[Cycling111]

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Don't extrapolate an ITT to a one day race or you are looking for trouble.

So you really think Del Toro is evenly matched in a time trial like this.
Seeing his time trial level at the Giro?

 

[danielovichdk2]

The real question is whether Pog will do good on Sunday. And what it means ? Should he top 5 ? Top 10 ? If he doesn't then what ? Is he then fatigued or something else ? Long season might be taking a toll.

 

[ChasingPotatoes]

I'm tired of reading on Twitter today that he'd win the Tour with a time trial, when Pogacar hasn't lost that much in the Tour. Pogacar has never been worse than Vine in a time trial, that says something
that today he´s has had a particularly disastrous day.

Vine had an excellent TT in the Vuelta some weeks ago, nearly beating Ganna, finishing within the same second. That was a short (12.2K), pan-flat TT at 56+ K/hr so always favouring Ganna massively. If that isn't a reference, I don't know what would be one.

With that shape, a climber like Vine would always feature in a more undulating TT like the one in Kigali.
In general, while the field of the TT wasn't very deep, I doubt if there were any real contenders missing given that an in-shape Vine, Pog and Remco would most likely always be the main podium contenders.

But even having this disastrous ITT in the Tour, no one is saying that only in Hautacam he would have recovered that time and gained a minute

I honestly don't see why you would try to project the circumstances in Kigali onto a totally different TT in the TdF:
1. Hautacam, a single hors-categorie slow (avg 28.5K/hr) mountain TT with 645m altitude in 10.9K = 59m / K) vs.
2. Kigali a much faster (avg 49K/hr) TT with shorter hills with 758m altitude in 40.6K = 18.67m / K .

Remco hasn´t been able to beat Pogacar Pogacar in a climb, neither Vingegaard. He hasn't even been able to follow ther wheel in a mountain and be on par with them.

Maybe I'm missing something (as in: you're only referring to the last 2 years in cycling?), but Vingegaard has dropped Pogacar multiple times on climbs in the TdF, admittedly, we'll have to go back to pre-crash Vingegaard e.g. 2023 Col de la Loze, 2022 Col du Granon and Hautacam but even 2021 when Pog was (shortly) dropped on the Ventoux.

 

[Red Rick]

Vine had an excellent TT in the Vuelta some weeks ago, nearly beating Ganna, finishing within the same second. That was a short (12.2K), pan-flat TT at 56+ K/hr so always favouring Ganna massively. If that isn't a reference, I don't know what would be one.

With that shape, a climber like Vine would always feature in a more undulating TT like the one in Kigali.
In general, while the field of the TT wasn't very deep, I doubt if there were any real contenders missing given that an in-shape Vine, Pog and Remco would most likely always be the main podium contenders.

I honestly don't see why you would try to project the circumstances in Kigali onto a totally different TT in the TdF:
1. Hautacam, a single hors-categorie slow (avg 28.5K/hr) mountain TT with 645m altitude in 10.9K = 59m / K) vs.
2. Kigali a much faster (avg 49K/hr) TT with shorter hills with 758m altitude in 40.6K = 18.67m / K .


Maybe I'm missing something (as in: you're only referring to the last 2 years in cycling?), but Vingegaard has dropped Pogacar multiple times on climbs in the TdF, admittedly, we'll have to go back to pre-crash Vingegaard e.g. 2023 Col de la Loze, 2022 Col du Granon and Hautacam but even 2021 when Pog was (shortly) dropped on the Ventoux.

Vine straight up said he wanted to peak for this TT instead of going to the Vuelta. Even if he came out of the Vuelta really well, it's less than perfect for this ITT. Also Vine mispaced the TT pretty big time.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Congratulations to Remco for becoming a TT world champion in dominant fashion.

Cycling still tends to surprise, especially on where you have two pre race overwhelming favourites, that is in the end a good thing to have. Vine and del Toro with great performances and i guess the biggest surprise, for me, Van Wilder finishing third. Pogi can't be satisfied with such result and as he said hats off and i am sure that he already moved on.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

The real question is whether Pog will do good on Sunday. And what it means ? Should he top 5 ? Top 10 ? If he doesn't then what ? Is he then fatigued or something else ? Long season might be taking a toll.

If Pogacar doesn't win next weekend, then he's the WORST GOAT OF ALL TIME!

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Had this been stage 1 of the Tour, Pogi would easily be 2nd. And maybe even 1st.

Depending on Armirails form.

 

[Blanco]

Primoz Roglic will attack on Mt.Kigali. Whoever wants to win the race, not named Tadej Pogacar, should try to go with him.

 

[chickenlips]

The real question is whether Pog will do good on Sunday. And what it means ? Should he top 5 ? Top 10 ? If he doesn't then what ? Is he then fatigued or something else ? Long season might be taking a toll.

After the season Pog has had, he's done well. Remco was expected to win the ITT, and he'll need a win next week to save his season. Winning a handful of ITT's and Bran Pij for a rider of his calibre is not very good. Injuries or not.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

19 year old doctor mut from South sudan giving it a go yesterday. No mickey mouse Tt set up!!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1970090669231194194

View: https://x.com/VelonCC/status/1970090669231194194?t=ZSXrfYFxMIss5v_6BaKd3Q&s=19

 

[topcat]

19 year old doctor mut from South sudan giving it a go yesterday. No mickey mouse Tt set up!!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1970090669231194194

View: https://x.com/VelonCC/status/1970090669231194194?t=ZSXrfYFxMIss5v_6BaKd3Q&s=19

And wheels that could survive a pothole.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

19 year old doctor mut from South sudan giving it a go yesterday. No mickey mouse Tt set up!!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1970090669231194194

View: https://x.com/VelonCC/status/1970090669231194194?t=ZSXrfYFxMIss5v_6BaKd3Q&s=19

I‘m not training at the moment but I‘d give myself a chance to beat that time.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

I‘m not training at the moment but I‘d give myself a chance to beat that time.

What's crazy is that he managed to beat his older compatriot jalal Edward, who finished last.

 

[Cycling111]

Another climber, specialist sorry , sweeping U23 category.

It's unforgivable that Ganna wasn't at the world championships. He wouldn't have won, but he would have been on the podium. If only the winner had to attend, the races would be held with one rider.

I think Pedersen should have been there for the road world championships. If he had managed to survive Mont Kigali, he would have won a medal.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

however, let's remember that in the Dauphine and TDF TTs the last 2 years, Remco has gained time over Pog on the uphill sections of those TTs

Wonder if that is due to Pog's TT position that he does not generate the same power in the TT that he does on the road?

Trade off. Extra effort on the flat means worse result on the climbs.

Evenepoel literally says he used the flats to recover from and for the climbs. So he doesn't use the flats to power away from his rivals. If he did that, he could take a lot more time on the flat sections, but he would then lose more time on the climbs. I assume he knows if he does the flats at 95% in order to recover, he is still faster than his rivals who are trying to go 105% on the flats because they know that's where they perform worse, but then suffer on the climbs because of it.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5UezoHbMRo

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I think Pogi was somewhat lucky in having Remco pass him, in that I'm pretty sure he's 5th if he doesn't have that carrot to chase (and draft) as long as he did. Not that 4th or 5th really matters, but Del Toro may have actually ridden a better time without that factor.

Remco is so aerodynamic that even a fly wouldn't benefit from drafting.

 

[red_flanders]

Remco is so aerodynamic that even a fly wouldn't benefit from drafting.

Agree there's relatively little benefit in following Remco, and on cobbles, but there's no question that Pog picked up the pace after he got passed, and that make a difference. I think 10 seconds is about the minimum difference it probably made. As I said, it was about the "carrot to chase" primarily.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Agree there's relatively little benefit in following Remco, and on cobbles, but there's no question that Pog picked up the pace after he got passed, and that make a difference. I think 10 seconds is about the minimum difference it probably made. As I said, it was about the "carrot to chase" primarily.

I agree that the fact that Remco passed him may have spurred him a bit so he pushed something extra not to get totally distanced.