World Championships Innsbruck 2018

[shalgo]

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Excellent course for comparing female and male standard of competition.
Very selective profile for the girls.

Its too early to say, based on how this was raced today. It could still prove selective for the boys tomorrow.

 

[DNP-Old]

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It's not just Evenepoel. The winner of the women's TT usually has trouble cracking the top 10 with the juniors.

Only Evenepoel was quicker then Van Vleuten.

2013: 9th
2014: 22nd
2015: 25th
2016: 10th
2017: 17th

 

[LaFlorecita]

Well done Anna! What an exhibition

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Well done Anna! What an exhibition

Remco one the other hand was 'not normal' and you would be 'taking it to the clinic'...? Double standards

 

[wirral]

Are posters suggesting Evenepoel should ride in the women's peloton?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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Well done Anna! What an exhibition

Remco one the other hand was 'not normal' and you would be 'taking it to the clinic'...? Double standards

That's not really a double standard as much as it is chauvinism.

 

[Alexandre B.]

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[Valv.Piti]

Re: Re:

Well done Anna! What an exhibition

Remco one the other hand was 'not normal' and you would be 'taking it to the clinic'...? Double standards

That's not really a double standard as much as it is chauvinism.

Good point.

 

[movingtarget]

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Anna van der Breggen vs. Remco Evenepoel would be an interesting duel.

Doubt it lol.

Handicap conditions..............

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Feel bad for the other Dutch girls though, can't help but feel like they could have made another clean sweep if they wanted to. I think they wanted to prove too hard that they were acting as a team. With VDB 3 minutes loose, they could have raced for second or third. Probably would have, had there been radio communication

 

[movingtarget]

Another one sided result. Incredibly strong win.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Well done Anna! What an exhibition

Remco one the other hand was 'not normal' and you would be 'taking it to the clinic'...? Double standards

Not double standards but favoritism. I haven't got any illusions about Van der
Breggen.
I don't think it's weird we react to two similar performances in a different way, based on the actual performer. You're much more likely to enjoy an "unbelievable" performance by a rider you're actually a fan of, than by one you don't really like. And while I won't say I don't like Evenepoel, I try to keep an open mind, I must admit the incessant hyping by some forum members and some of his behavior that could be interpreted as arrogant have made me a little biased.
By the way about Evenepoel I never said I'd "take it to the clinic", that was someone else. I did say it was "not normal", and I'd describe Anna's ride the same way. It was extraordinary.

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

Well done Anna! What an exhibition

Remco one the other hand was 'not normal' and you would be 'taking it to the clinic'...? Double standards

Not double standards but favoritism. I haven't got any illusions about Van der
Breggen.
I don't think it's weird we react to two similar performances in a different way, based on the actual performer. You're much more likely to enjoy an "unbelievable" performance by a rider you're actually a fan of, than by one you don't really like. And while I won't say I don't like Evenepoel, I try to keep an open mind, I must admit the incessant hyping by some forum members and some of his behavior that could be interpreted as arrogant have made me a little biased.
By the way about Evenepoel I never said I'd "take it to the clinic", that was someone else. I did say it was "not normal", and I'd describe Anna's ride the same way. It was extraordinary.

I don't think I could put it much better

 

[rick james]

Re: Re:

Well done Anna! What an exhibition

Remco one the other hand was 'not normal' and you would be 'taking it to the clinic'...? Double standards

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Can't believe my eyes. Dutch forum members having a problem with hyping certain riders :lol:

As long as they're not Dutch I presume

 

[Valv.Piti]

I just think its very bad mannered to say such stuff after x rider wins and react completely different when y rider wins when it comes to clinic stuff. Obviously we have our favourites and all, but it doesn't come across as a very likeable trait..

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Can't believe my eyes. Dutch forum members having a problem with hyping certain riders :lol:

As long as they're not Dutch I presume

I think you'll find I usually cheer for riders of other nationalities and I'm definitely not one that "hypes" Dutch riders. I tend to stay away from chauvinism.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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I just think its very bad mannered to say such stuff after x rider wins and react completely different when y rider wins when it comes to clinic stuff. Obviously we have our favourites and all, but it doesn't come across as a very likeable trait..

Yes, I'm bad mannered. Such a bad, unlikeable person, you've let me know plenty times before. I'm sure you're perfect.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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Can't believe my eyes. Dutch forum members having a problem with hyping certain riders :lol:

As long as they're not Dutch I presume

I think you'll find I usually cheer for riders of other nationalities and I'm definitely not one that "hypes" Dutch riders. I tend to stay away from chauvinism.

The point is, does it bother you when it concerns Dutch riders?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Can't believe my eyes. Dutch forum members having a problem with hyping certain riders :lol:

As long as they're not Dutch I presume

I think you'll find I usually cheer for riders of other nationalities and I'm definitely not one that "hypes" Dutch riders. I tend to stay away from chauvinism.

The point is, does it bother you when it concerns Dutch riders?

When what concerns Dutch riders?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

What are we talking about? The hyping.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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What are we talking about? The hyping.

Any over-the-top hyping gets annoying unless you are on the bandwagon.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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What are we talking about? The hyping.

Any over-the-top hyping gets annoying unless you are on the bandwagon.

yeah, exactly.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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What are we talking about? The hyping.

Any over-the-top hyping gets annoying unless you are on the bandwagon.

yeah, exactly.

Good, so we agree

 

[WKA311]

So according to Pöstlberger you'll need 20 seconds over the last climb to be sure to stay away. 10-15 seconds could do the trick but would not be impossible to bridge.
So will the explosive climbers (Valv,Yateses,Alaphilippe,Martin etc.) be able to open such a gap on the Höll?