World Politics

[Anonymous]

This guy, Dr. Gabriel Calzada, who's study you quote is in the pocket of big oil and his study has been complete debunked.

http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalc...-spanish-clean-energy-push-a-cautionary-tale/

Dr. Calzada serves as a senior fellow at the Centre for the New Europe

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=106

And argued against climate change at Heartland Institute's 2009 International Conference on Climate Change. Funded by..

http://www.desmogblog.com/heartland...-conference-new-york-funding-history-sponsors

You believe stupid stuff.

Google 'climategate' and then read until you are exhausted.

 

[Carboncrank]

You really should catch up on current events.

I saw that movie too. Global warming made it really cold. Great flick. Hey did Dennis Quaid get an Oscar for that one?

You really gonna lecture me on the climate? Ok, bring it.

Nope, didn't see any movie on it.

I do however read Scientific American, and the Journal Science,

You probably learned everything you need to know from South Park, Bilo the clown, and that crying moron Glen Beck, with a little ditto man for taste. Bad taste as it is.

 

[Carboncrank]

Google 'climategate' and then read until you are exhausted.

climate gate is a bump in the road. None of it changes the validity of the findings of scientist all over the world.

 

[Anonymous]

This guy, Dr. Gabriel Calzada, who's study you quote is in the pocket of big oil and his study has been complete debunked.

http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalc...-spanish-clean-energy-push-a-cautionary-tale/

Dr. Calzada serves as a senior fellow at the Centre for the New Europe

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=106

And argued against climate change at Heartland Institute's 2009 International Conference on Climate Change. Funded by..

http://www.desmogblog.com/heartland...-conference-new-york-funding-history-sponsors

You believe stupid stuff.

I can find you articles that prove green jobs to be a good idea. Would you like to see them?

Oh what the heck.. why not.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=akjbUdlowd9c&refer=home

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=akjbUdlowd9c&refer=home

http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/2008/03/gov_jennifer_granholm_tours_un.html

One thing for certain? The kind of manufacturing jobs we lost? Most of them we are not getting back no matter who's in the Whitehouse.

Now I'm amused. There's a rather vague questioning of the conclusions reached in the Spanish study but you claim it to be debunked. THEN you buy hook line and sinker the truly crooked science surrounding the global warming causation garbage. Brilliant.

This argument ran it's course on this thread at least 100 pages ago. Read if you wish.

 

[Carboncrank]

Google 'climategate' and then read until you are exhausted.

Did you get the message on Dr. Calzada?

Don't be quoting that fraud again.

 

[Anonymous]

climate gate is a bump in the road. None of it changes the validity of the findings of scientist all over the world.

Corrupt scientists caught in the midst of attempting the greatest fraud in the history of the world.

More brilliance.

 

[Anonymous]

Did you get the message on Dr. Calzada?

Don't be quoting that fraud again.

What I got is that you don't know what debunked means.

 

[Carboncrank]

Now I'm amused. There's a rather vague questioning of the conclusions reached in the Spanish study but you claim it to be debunked. THEN you buy hook line and sinker the truly crooked science surrounding the global warming causation garbage. Brilliant.

This argument ran it's course on this thread at least 100 pages ago. Read if you wish.

Well, this weather should bring it back.

If you think what I sent you on the spanish study is "vague" you didn't do you homework and read what I sent you. Nothing Vague about it.

Are you in snow?

 

[Carboncrank]

Corrupt scientists caught in the midst of attempting the greatest fraud in the history of the world.

More brilliance.

and you get more and more stupid every time you type.

 

[Anonymous]

Well, this weather should bring it back.

If you think what I sent you on the spanish study is "vague" you didn't do you homework and read what I sent you. Nothing Vague about it.

Are you in snow?

My homework is done

"Someone in the administration actually dispatched a taxpayer-funded agency, the Department of Energy through its National Renewable Energy Laboratories (NREL), to produce a white paper slamming the study, providing the organized Left a risible tool to wave away the inconvenient. But the two young activists who wrote the paper merely further embarrassed the administration with their flailing complaints: the Spanish team failed to speculate in the absence of official data, and eschewed an economic model designed some time ago far to our east for central planners in favor of a real-world “opportunity cost” model used by people who invest their own money. Thus, spaketh our government, the study employs “non-traditional methodology” and is unworthy of consideration. Ahem"

"Now consider two of the Spanish government’s three responses to this study which caused so much heartburn for the Obama administration: rhetorically, they slammed it (and the authors personally), while at the same time officially affirming it. In its April 30 Royal Decree, responding to the analyzed disaster, the Spanish government stated its electricity “rate deficit”, mainly caused by its scheme to push windmills and solar panels, “is deeply harming the system and puts at risk not only the financial situation of the electric sector companies´ but also sustainability of the system itself. This disadjustment turns out to be unsustainable and has grave consequences since it deteriorates the security and financial capacity of the investments necessary for providing electricity at the levels of quality and security the Spanish society demands.”

Translated, that means: yeah, what he said. Just so you fully grasp: the White House engaged a federal agency to (lamely) slam a study by foreign academics about a foreign government’s policies."

"The Spanish government’s third response – as reported this weekend in El Confidencial, though Prof. Calzada had told me about the numerous overtures as they were occurring – was to demand through its Education Minister that the university rescind the study that was embarrassing so many officials. This sleaze was a private affair, too unseemly even for the Socialist Zapatero government to try publicly, despite its radical green base openly decrying the academics’ “treason” for embarrassing Spain after its wonders were touted by El Uno.

The university has refused, as the paper meets all relevant requirements for an academic paper (unlike the U.S. government’s response, incidentally), and has been favorably received in the academic community, of all places."


Do you want me to go on??

http://biggovernment.com/chorner/2009/09/28/grande-gobierno-obama-uses-feds-to-protect-his-green-jobs-story/#more-9722

"To its credit, the NREL critique focuses on the Spanish study itself, rather than casting aspersions on the economists who wrote it. But here too the critics fall flat on their faces, making arguments that are at times contradictory and often downright silly. Because of space constraints we can’t discuss every (unfounded) objection, so we’ll just focus on three of the “Fundamental Limitations” as alleged by the NREL, and we’ll conclude by mentioning the first of the alleged “Shortcomings in Assumptions” just because it’s too funny to ignore."

The total debunking of what you claim debunks Dr. Calzada's study is now here for everyone to see.


http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2009/09/03/the-nrels-flawed-white-paper-on-the-spanish-green-jobs-study/


Homework project done in record time. What kind of grade do I get?


Edit: Just saw your previous post. You can go ahead a retract that 'stupid' comment anytime you would like.

Gonna call it a night now. Sweet dreams.

 

[Hugh Januss]

My homework is done




Gonna call it a night now. Sweet dreams.

Before that you said

Until tomorrow then

All I can say is promises....promises

 

[rhubroma]

You keep attributing to me an argument I have never made. I understand the need for a mixed system. I am in no way arguing for pure capitalism. I forget who proclaimed capitalism as 'the least worst' system of govt/society.

Spending as a percentage of GDP is not at it's high point, that is true. But what you fail to mention is the previous high points were very short lived. What we have now is a sustained high that will eventually cripple this country because of accumulated debt.

"Government spending in the United States has steadily increased from seven percent of GDP in 1902 to 40 percent today. QUOTE]

And it will continue to grow, though this has nothing to do with socialism, or rather the psuedosocialism that prevails today, which is just a sham. Today's so-called socialists are not real socialists but divious dissemblers who promote a spurious socialism that relys on shameless pretense and is only the mendacious, simulated variety, as you should know.

No the problem with government spending, is that it is capitalist spending, which follows a financial logic of profiteering upon industrial growth and hence points on the strenghth of the dollar, which must be maintained at all costs as the predominant global currency. It creates debt exclusively for debt's sake, because the capitalist regime simply cannot live within it's own means and so has generated a phantom wealth at the financial banks of Wall Street and the world's other stock exchanges that is enjoyed by the priviledged few to compensate for the lack of a real wealth enjoyed by the State's citizens, who are forced to assume ever burdensome private debt in order to stimulate consumer spending and to afford the basic living essentials that the absence of a socialist state has not provided for. And when the financial system fails, the State's collective society get's to foot the bill. The same masses who didn't get to enjoy any of the spoils while the going was good, are also the ones who are expected to clean up the mess when the party's over. Nice system.

Thus the whole of America has been turned into an unscrupulous commercial concern in which everything is bargained for and everyone is defrauded. So while the capitalist world is litterally choking on its phantom wealth, the rest are left starving and to fend for themselves in a planet that has not even retained a modicum of a socialist philosophy of the past century of which you claim to be so utterly terrified. So calm your fears. As if capitalism wasn't the great annihilater and obliterator of socialism, which it of course undoubtedly is and fundamentaly because man is an abominable egoist who is completely incapable of thinking beyond his own base needs and so utterly lacks a broader social vision and concern. That's the truth. Yet the cycle is bound to come full circle, though only after government has allowed the capitalists to bring the necessary pressure to bear upon the masses and have every last drop of blood sucked out of them. Only when it's too late, as they say, will anything come to pass.

And all this under the aegis of the government! The government operates a monstrous demolition plant nonstop, which is bent on no less than the total demolition of the proletariate and the fanatical sustaining of the financial and industrial capitalists.

The truth is that the country has been murdered due to the chronic lack of character of its political leadershp and to the depravity of the capitalists. They'll do anything to achieve their base ends - greed, ruthlessness, depravity, mendacity, hypocrisy, as the recent financial disaster at Wall Street attests, as well as the management of the military and industrial apparatuses. And when they are not busy doing their demolition work, they go about promoting among the citizenry that tasteless nationalist spirit and religious bigotry that after a while makes you literally want to vomit. Especially because we had hoped that after the advent of laicism and rationalist thought, as well as the brutallity of the last century's nationlaist movements, that progressive, democrtic society would have made such objects relics of the past. We had, of course, only decieved ourselves, because such things have ever been and always will be the most effective means of social control. This is no more case in being effective than in conservative America. If we take a walk in conservative America, the people we see are all essentially nationalists and religious bigots, who behave at times more as nationalists, at times more like religious bigots, but usually as both simultaneously; which is why we find them so repulsive upon closer scrutiny, whether or not we want to admit it. And that, it must be said, is the essence of conservative America - doubly mendacious, doubly vulgar and doubly anti-intellectual. The religiously bigoted and nationalist spirit--if I am to besmirch such a word spirit by using it in this context, because I can't do otherwise--reigns supreme at conservative America and always will. It is of the most perverse ironies, however, that those who claim to live by both a religious and a nationalist spirit, find it so abhorent that their taxable income should go into socialist causes.

This is because they are fundamentally anti-religious and anti-nationalist, despite all their attempts to seem otherwise, and are in reality merely flagrant egotistical capitalists who have taken complete control of the country if not since the very beginning, then for some time now. And this face of America exists among both republicans and democrats, irrespective therefore of their supposed right-wing or left-wing ideologies. Because the ideologies themselves no longer exist, the commercial concerns of capitalism having wiped out all traces of what used to be called socialist thought.

So have no fears, a socialist regime is far from taking place after a century of American capitalism as a global economic model has succeeded in draging the honored name of socialism into the dirt. The truth is that the country was destroyed long ago, devestated and disfigured as a result of perfidious business deals, so that one is hard put to find a single unspoiled spot.

 

[Anonymous]

You keep attributing to me an argument I have never made. I understand the need for a mixed system. I am in no way arguing for pure capitalism. I forget who proclaimed capitalism as 'the least worst' system of govt/society.

Spending as a percentage of GDP is not at it's high point, that is true. But what you fail to mention is the previous high points were very short lived. What we have now is a sustained high that will eventually cripple this country because of accumulated debt.

"Government spending in the United States has steadily increased from seven percent of GDP in 1902 to 40 percent today. QUOTE]

And it will continue to grow, though this has nothing to do with socialism, or rather the psuedosocialism that prevails today, which is just a sham. Today's so-called socialists are not real socialists but divious dissemblers who promote a spurious socialism that relys on shameless pretense and is only the mendacious, simulated variety, as you should know.

No the problem with government spending, is that it is capitalist spending, which follows a financial logic of profiteering upon industrial growth and hence points on the strenghth of the dollar, which must be maintained at all costs as the predominant global currency. It creates debt exclusively for debt's sake, because the capitalist regime simply cannot live within it's own means and so has generated a phantom wealth at the financial banks of Wall Street and the world's other stock exchanges that is enjoyed by the priviledged few to compensate for the lack of a real wealth enjoyed by the State's citizens, who are forced to assume ever burdensome private debt in order to stimulate consumer spending and to afford the basic living essentials that the absence of a socialist state has not provided for. And when the financial system fails, the State's collective society get's to foot the bill. The same masses who didn't get to enjoy any of the spoils while the going was good, are also the ones who are expected to clean up the mess when the party's over. Nice system.

Thus the whole of America has been turned into an unscrupulous commercial concern in which everything is bargained for and everyone is defrauded. So while the capitalist world is litterally choking on its phantom wealth, the rest are left starving and to fend for themselves in a planet that has not even retained a modicum of a socialist philosophy of the past century of which you claim to be so utterly terrified. So calm your fears. As if capitalism wasn't the great annihilater and obliterator of socialism, which it of course undoubtedly is and fundamentaly because man is an abominable egoist who is completely incapable of thinking beyond his own base needs and so utterly lacks a broader social vision and concern. That's the truth. Yet the cycle is bound to come full circle, though only after government has allowed the capitalists to bring the necessary preassure to bear upon the masses and have every last drop of blood sucked out of them. Only when it's too late, as they say, will anything come to pass.

And all this under the aegis of the government! The government operates a monstrous demolition plant nonstop, which is bent on no less than the total demolition of the proletariate and the fanatical sustaining of the financial and industrial capitalists.

The truth is that the country has been murdered due to the chronic lack of character of its political leadershp and to the depravity of the capitalists. They'll do anything to achieve their base ends - greed, ruthlessness, depravity, mendacity, hypocrisy, as the recent financial disaster at Wall Street attests, as well as the management of the military and industrial aparatuses. And when they are not busy doing their demolition work, they go about promoting among the citizenry that tasteless nationalist spirit and religious bigotry that after a while makes you literally want to vomit. Especially because we had hoped that after the advent of laicism and rationalist thought, as well as the brutallity of the last century's nationlaist movements, that progressive, democrtic society would have made such objects relics of the past. We had, of course, only decieved ourselves, because such things have ever been and always will be the most effective means of social control. This is no more case in being effective than in conservative America. If we take a walk in conservative America, the people we see are all essentially nationalists and religious bigots, who behave at times more as nationalists, at times more like religious bigots, but usually as both simultaneously; which is why we find them so repulsive upon closer scrutiny, whether or not we want to admit it. And that, it must be said, is the essence of conservative America - doubly mendacious, doubly vulgar and doubly anti-intellectual. The religiously bigoted and nationalist spirit--if I am to besmirch such a word spirit by using it in this context, because I can't do otherwise--reigns supreme at conservative America and always will. It is of the most perverse ironies, however, that those who claim to live by both a religious and a nationalist spirit, find it so abhorent that their taxable income should go into socialist causes.

This is because they are fundamentally anti-religious and anti-nationalist, despite all their attempts to seem otherwise, and are in reality merely flagrant egotistical capitalists who have taken complete control of the country if not since the very beginning, then for some time now. And this face of America exists among both republicans and democrats, irrespective therefore of their supposed right-wing or left-wing ideologies. Because the ideologies themselves no longer exist, the commercial concerns of capitalism having wiped out all traces of what used to be called socialist thought.

So have no fears, a socialist regime is far from taking place after a century of American capitalism as a global economic model has succeeded in draging the honored name of socialism into the dirt. The truth is that the country was destroyed long ago, devestated and disfigured as a result of perfidious business deals, so that one is hard put to find a single unspoiled spot.

Geez Rhub, you having a bad day? That's a pretty cynical view.

Couple of things.

You state those that didn't participate in the upside 'when things were good get to clean up the mess when the party's over' is just not true. Assuming our economy grows it's way out of our current debt situation it will largely be income taxes that pay down the debt. It's well known who pays income taxes and it's not those who didn't participate when times were good.

Socialism does not have a good track record and only exists as utopia in your mind. Where has this system ever worked and why does this system fail every time it's tried?

I thought (at times) I was a man without a Country, but you are in far worse shape than me.

I agree with your take on our 'elected leaders.' Pitiful stewardship of this great republic, but we certainly disagree on direction. Your broad condemnation of conservativism is over the top. You sound like a jilted lover. Did you have a business that failed?

You write extremely well and I enjoy your posts. It's all 'inside the lecture hall' stuff and it's been a while since I've been in that setting.

 

[ravens]

You really should catch up on current events.

I saw that movie too. Global warming made it really cold. Great flick. Hey did Dennis Quaid get an Oscar for that one?

You really gonna lecture me on the climate? Ok, bring it.

OK, we can't agree on that. I don't catch too many movies, and did happen to see it on TV. Dear Lord, that was dreck! Movies that bad keep me from watching other movies.

Waddya expect from FOX ?!?!

Totally Off Topic: Did you happen to see The Wrestler? Awesome. NOT thefeelgood hit of the summer. If there were more that good, I would go more often.

 

[Anonymous]

Did anybody catch VP Joe Biden's comments on the Larry King show regarding the success in Iraq being one of the Obama administration's greatest accomplishment?

So, let me get this straight. After years of railing against the illeagal war, both Biden and Obama predicted failure with the surge of troops under Gen. Petreus, campaigning for a year with their center-piece being pulling out of Iraq, blaming the Bush administration for anything and everything BUT, now that a fuctioning deomocracy (sort of) in Iraq seems to be a reality BIDEN SAYS IT WILL BE OBAMA'S GREATEST ACHEIVEMENT.

Wow. Just wow.

This administration is in desperate, desperate trouble.

 

[ravens]

Did anybody catch VP Joe Biden's comments on the Larry King show regarding the success in Iraq being one of the Obama administration's greatest accomplishment?

So, let me get this straight. After years of railing against the illeagal war, both Biden and Obama predicted failure with the surge of troops under Gen. Petreus, campaigning for a year with their center-piece being pulling out of Iraq, blaming the Bush administration for anything and everything BUT, now that a fuctioning deomocracy (sort of) in Iraq seems to be a reality BIDEN SAYS IT WILL BE OBAMA'S GREATEST ACHEIVEMENT.

Wow. Just wow.

This administration is in desperate, desperate trouble.

The upshot of all this is that regardless of your perspective, it really matters not what anyone says or does, what crimes they commit, missteps they make, promises they never keep, what contradictions they are caught in, what lies they tell, if you tend to agree with what that person believes, then you will overlook anything and everything that person does.

The upshot is the media's role. If they 'bury' the lies, the contradictions, the inanities of those they agree with because they agree with a person's beliefs and then they amplify those who they DISAGREE with, it creates a very distorted view of reality if you only subject yourself to one point of view.

My point is, Biden could go on national TV and state categorically that he is a walking clusterf--k of lies, contradictions and laughable missteps, it would not make a sh-it's worth of difference. It would be flushed down the memory hole before 24 hours passes and anyone who tried to raise the issue would be derided, disregarded and mocked. It's Orwellian. Biden: We have always been fighting Eurasia. 2 years later, we have always been fighting Eastasia. ... and no one even bats an eye.

If Scott Brown jay walks, it's national news for weeks. Not that I know much or care about Brown, that is not my point (TFF!!). It is the media's point of view that dictates how someone is covered and their point of view is dictated by the way they construe that person's beliefs.

 

[Carboncrank]

My homework is done

"Someone in the administration actually dispatched a taxpayer-funded agency, the Department of Energy through its National Renewable Energy Laboratories (NREL), to produce a white paper slamming the study, providing the organized Left a risible tool to wave away the inconvenient. But the two young activists who wrote the paper merely further embarrassed the administration with their flailing complaints: the Spanish team failed to speculate in the absence of official data, and eschewed an economic model designed some time ago far to our east for central planners in favor of a real-world “opportunity cost” model used by people who invest their own money. Thus, spaketh our government, the study employs “non-traditional methodology” and is unworthy of consideration. Ahem"

"Now consider two of the Spanish government’s three responses to this study which caused so much heartburn for the Obama administration: rhetorically, they slammed it (and the authors personally), while at the same time officially affirming it. In its April 30 Royal Decree, responding to the analyzed disaster, the Spanish government stated its electricity “rate deficit”, mainly caused by its scheme to push windmills and solar panels, “is deeply harming the system and puts at risk not only the financial situation of the electric sector companies´ but also sustainability of the system itself. This disadjustment turns out to be unsustainable and has grave consequences since it deteriorates the security and financial capacity of the investments necessary for providing electricity at the levels of quality and security the Spanish society demands.”

Translated, that means: yeah, what he said. Just so you fully grasp: the White House engaged a federal agency to (lamely) slam a study by foreign academics about a foreign government’s policies."

"The Spanish government’s third response – as reported this weekend in El Confidencial, though Prof. Calzada had told me about the numerous overtures as they were occurring – was to demand through its Education Minister that the university rescind the study that was embarrassing so many officials. This sleaze was a private affair, too unseemly even for the Socialist Zapatero government to try publicly, despite its radical green base openly decrying the academics’ “treason” for embarrassing Spain after its wonders were touted by El Uno.

The university has refused, as the paper meets all relevant requirements for an academic paper (unlike the U.S. government’s response, incidentally), and has been favorably received in the academic community, of all places."


Do you want me to go on??

http://biggovernment.com/chorner/2009/09/28/grande-gobierno-obama-uses-feds-to-protect-his-green-jobs-story/#more-9722

"To its credit, the NREL critique focuses on the Spanish study itself, rather than casting aspersions on the economists who wrote it. But here too the critics fall flat on their faces, making arguments that are at times contradictory and often downright silly. Because of space constraints we can’t discuss every (unfounded) objection, so we’ll just focus on three of the “Fundamental Limitations” as alleged by the NREL, and we’ll conclude by mentioning the first of the alleged “Shortcomings in Assumptions” just because it’s too funny to ignore."

The total debunking of what you claim debunks Dr. Calzada's study is now here for everyone to see.


http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2009/09/03/the-nrels-flawed-white-paper-on-the-spanish-green-jobs-study/


Homework project done in record time. What kind of grade do I get?


Edit: Just saw your previous post. You can go ahead a retract that 'stupid' comment anytime you would like.

Gonna call it a night now. Sweet dreams.

The claims of the study are scientifically bunk. The author is in the bag of big oil, and your articles in response are incorrect in their conclusions and obvious in their bias.

I gave you proof. If you're too stupid to understand it, it's not my problem.

Green jobs do not create the loss of other jobs. They may be expensive to create, but we'd better create some new ones somewhere because many of the ones already lost, are not coming back.

 

[ravens]

This is pure bunk, the author is a fraud, a nazi, a bush supporter, it was publised in a faux news corp rag, bush was much much worse select all/any or add your own, etc etc etc etc etc etc blah blah blah blah blah blah

The president's reality problem


Campaign mode doesn't work for governing

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinio..._problem_WMuCZTkNKv10LAtLG9DLqK#ixzz0fMR3gamE

Not interested in playing whack-a-mole today so if you hate it, let me just pre-empt by saying 'whatever'.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Obama is a Socialist, unfettered capitalism is the only way, all liberals are frauds, poor people don't deserve health care, you can only cure a recession by cutting back on government spending, Democrats only want to spend spend spend, it's mine I made it all without any help so you can't take any of it,if you don't tax the wealthy they will invest all that extra money in improving the entire country and we will all live happily ever after.

 

[Anonymous]

Obama is a Socialist, unfettered capitalism is the only way, all liberals are frauds, poor people don't deserve health care, you can only cure a recession by cutting back on government spending, Democrats only want to spend spend spend, it's mine I made it all without any help so you can't take any of it,if you don't tax the wealthy they will invest all that extra money in improving the entire country and we will all live happily ever after.

Now you're talkin'.

Edit; you forgot rape and pillage.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Now you're talkin'.

Edit; you forgot rape and pillage.

It's included under the unfettered capitalism heading.

 

[ravens]

Obama is a Socialist,

correct

unfettered capitalism is the only way,

wrong

all liberals are frauds,

haven't met any that aren't intellectual frauds but color me hopeful

poor people don't deserve health care,

All people deserve and are entitled to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. All people also get healthcare, but they do not get FREE health insurance

you can only cure a recession by cutting back on government spending,

There may be other ways, but so far it's the fastest and least painful way. Take out the word 'only' and it makes sense.

Democrats only want to spend spend spend,

Yes, but as a means to attain and keep political power and control the citizens and deny them life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

it's mine I made it all without any help so you can't take any of it,

wrong, but you cannot take it to use against me to deny me life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

if you don't tax the wealthy they will invest all that extra money in improving the entire country and we will all live happily ever after.

If you don't tax them anything? Sophistry. If you tax them too progressively you do slow economic growth. And that is what you do.

Whatever.

(I inserted in anticipation.)

Me: I see your whatever and raise you a free cup of coffee from me for all you bleeding hearts cause it's Friday and I am in a good mood.

have a good one, hope it's warm enough for all you pimps and players to get out and ride.

 

[fatandfast]

It's included under the unfettered capitalism heading.

Huge are you really that guy ? Can you really look at a kid and say you can't go to school because your Daddy doesn't have a good job? Are you that guy that lets the woman die in the ER while we make phone calls to see if she is covered? We all say stuff like this and when you are around somebody who is starving or suffering you are the first guy to pull out a sandwich and a blanket.
You are an e-gangster. You probably put out a little milk for a kitten before starting your only the strong survive thing.

 

[ravens]

Huge are you really that guy ? Can you really look at a kid and say you can't go to school because your Daddy doesn't have a good job? Are you that guy that lets the woman die in the ER while we make phone calls to see if she is covered? We all say stuff like this and when you are around somebody who is starving or suffering you are the first guy to pull out a sandwich and a blanket.
You are an e-gangster. You probably put out a little milk for a kitten before starting your only the strong survive thing.

uhhhh.... You do realize he was being....uhhh...satirical/mocking...or as the humorless libs like to put it...honest (?). Please tell me you got that, it's important.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Originally Posted by Hugh Januss
Obama is a Socialist,

correct
You are on crack. And the Christian right are radical religious extremists.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Januss
unfettered capitalism is the only way,

wrong
Why do I get the feeling that even though we seem to agree on this point your viewpoint will have some ugly twist.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Januss
all liberals are frauds,

haven't met any that aren't intellectual frauds but color me hopeful
In otherwords, since they disagree with your stunted point of view they must be not only wrong, but out to get you as well.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Januss
poor people don't deserve health care,

All people deserve and are entitled to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. All people also get healthcare, but they do not get FREE health insurance
Checking into the ER for a cold is not affordable healthcare, no matter who is paying the bill.

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Originally Posted by Hugh Januss
you can only cure a recession by cutting back on government spending,

There may be other ways, but so far it's the fastest and least painful way. Take out the word 'only' and it makes sense.
Closing down even more does not stimulate the economy. It needs a jumpstart not embalming fluid.

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Originally Posted by Hugh Januss
Democrats only want to spend spend spend,

Yes, but as a means to attain and keep political power and control the citizens and deny them life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Back on the pipe I see.

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Originally Posted by Hugh Januss
it's mine I made it all without any help so you can't take any of it,

wrong, but you cannot take it to use against me to deny me life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Sorry I don't even know what you are on about here.

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Originally Posted by Hugh Januss
if you don't tax the wealthy they will invest all that extra money in improving the entire country and we will all live happily ever after.

If you don't tax them anything? Sophistry. If you tax them too progressively you do slow economic growth. And that is what you do.

Every rich person in this country got that way because of the society that is in place around them and to say they don't owe back to it is just plain wrong. We are far from overburdening the wealtiest in this country with taxes.