World Politics

[ChrisE]

I will let buckwheat answer your clever little alteration. Read above in red....

I was making fun of you, not him.

Sometimes our tax money is not used how we would use it. It is called living in a democracy. So, you guys come up with a better solution instead of hollering racial and sexual slurs. Thanks.

 

[slowoldman]

I was making fun of you, not him.

Sometimes our tax money is not used how we would use it. It is called living in a democracy. So, you guys come up with a better solution instead of hollering racial and sexual slurs. Thanks.

I know you were trying. I was pointing out via his post that the Constitution states that it is the job of the government to provide for our common defense. Pay for the military, the things you stated in your post.......I don't holler racial and sexual slurs, read my other posts.......

 

[Anonymous]

Hey, how bout that Lance Armstrong, huh???

Okay, I am done. This battle will rage for ages, and nobody will win and I really have to take a sh!t right now, so off to do something useful.

 

[Anonymous]

Maybe he has no concept of the conservative definition of liberty, which is, "I get to do whatever I want without any responsibility or concern for what effect my actions will have on the rest of society." You know, the type of liberty that you find in Third World sh!tholes with no law and everything you have has to be protected with an AK-47. For some reason the conservatives are not big on moving to one of these Third World libertarian paradises. They are big on sending other people's sons to such places to fight and die, though.

Yes. It's all clear now. That's why the military rank/file are so in love with the left in this Country.

 

[Anonymous]

Talk about crying me a river.



Well, its clear you know little of the legal profession. Maybe you watch too much law and order? Lawsuits are never about getting to the truth of the matter, and when million dollar legal teams face you and your one attorney because "loser pays" keeps you from having an effective case (cause see, when you face 4 lawyers each of whom has a paralegal or two to use, it is easy for them to run you raged with procedural motions, etc) that you just take the $1000 bucks for your kids arm and hope he can do well in the paralympics.



It is corrupt for trial lawyers to make campaign contributions. This coming from the party that wants unlimited money from corporations for their campaign. Did you not think of the irony of your statement before you made it?

Uh, yea, tort reform really drives down those premiums...http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2009/01/11/opinion/doc4969649e298a2161605350.txt

NICE. Thank God for P/I lawyers providing "safe" medicine. Now that is funny. Thanks for the article.

 

[buckwheat]

Hey, how bout that Lance Armstrong, huh???

Okay, I am done. This battle will rage for ages, and nobody will win and I really have to take a sh!t right now, so off to do something useful.

Amen, to the $hit that is.

Well, it's a temporary victory. The Republican skells will always keep coming back so they can return to their disgusting morbidity of counting money as a possession rather than as a means to the enjoyments and realities of life.....It's their semi-criminal, semi-pathological propensities at work, which one hands off with a shudder to the specialists in mental disease.

See Keynes.

 

[buckwheat]

Yes. It's all clear now. That's why the military rank/file are so in love with the left in this Country.

56 returning Iraq veterans ran for office in 2006. 53 as Democrats.

Look at those who served in the forces in Congress. Many more Dems than Repugs.

Did you serve or are you like hannity who did not have the honor of serving or like cheney who declared 5 times that he had priorities other than military service.

Most members of the military want to believe in what they are doing. Unfortunately for them, they don't know what Medal of Honor recipients Smedley Butler and Commandant of the Marine Corp, Gen. David Shoup knew, that what they are doing is BS!

Read, "War is a Racket" by two time Medal of Honor recipient, Butler. Also, wake up.

 

[Anonymous]

56 returning Iraq veterans ran for office in 2006. 53 as Democrats.

Look at those who served in the forces in Congress. Many more Dems than Repugs.

Did you serve or are you like hannity who did not have the honor of serving or like cheney who declared 5 times that he had priorities other than military service.

Most members of the military want to believe in what they are doing. Unfortunately for them, they don't know what Medal of Honor recipients Smedley Butler and Commandant of the Marine Corp, Gen. David Shoup knew, that what they are doing is BS!

Read, "War is a Racket" by two time Medal of Honor recipient, Butler. Also, wake up.

Gee, there are something like 1.4 million active military and your sample size is 56?

And no, I did not serve. So What? It's kinda like me saying you aren't a doctor so you are disqualified from talking about healthcare.

I have a family member who is a Marine Colonel. If I need some insight I'll just pick up the phone, but thanks for the suggested reading.

 

[buckwheat]

Gee, there are something like 1.4 million active military and your sample size is 56?

Just a recent sample of which way the prospective leaders from the military are leaning. I'm sure you'll be hanging with some private from the sticks.

And no, I did not serve. So What? It's kinda like me saying you aren't a doctor so you are disqualified from talking about healthcare.

No it's not kinda like it at all. One needs to be a doctor to know that all humans need health care? Do you need to be a Dentist to know that all people need Dental hygiene?

Sure, you can talk about anything. Doesn't mean much though. I love how the wealthy opt out of protecting the country, and these enlistment incentives are a joke. $25,000? George P. Bush wouldn't even think about enlisting for $25M.

I have a family member who is a Marine Colonel.

Who? Oliver North? I wonder if he nailed Fawn Hall. We need these lunatics to remind us that, "sometimes you have to go above the written law." Hey thanks Ollie you schmuck.

If I need some insight I'll just pick up the phone, but thanks for the suggested reading.

To hear about how the Marines made him a man? This is laughable stuff. Here's another suggestion; To Hell and Back. I guess your Ollie was more of a bada$$ than Audie Murphy.

You wouldn't read War is a Racket by two time MOH recipient Smedley Butler? Are you a war profiteer too? I didn't know that!

You ever wonder why the Government rarely awards the Medal of Honor to living recipients? Answer; they are then untouchable by chickenhawks you support in the Republican party and the truth they say can't be rebutted. Republicans have no shame and they try to discredit people like Shoup and Butler anyway.

 

[Anonymous]

Just a recent sample of which way the prospective leaders from the military are leaning. I'm sure you'll be hanging with some private from the sticks.



Sure, you can talk about anything. Doesn't mean much though.



Who? Oliver North? I wonder if he nailed Fawn Hall. We need these lunatics to remind us that, " sometimes you have to go above the written law." Hey thanks Ollie you schmuck.



To hear about how the Marines made him a man? This is laughable stuff. Here's another suggestion; To Hell and Back. I guess your Ollie was more of a bada$$ than Audie Murphy.

You wouldn't read War is a Racket by two time MOH recipient Smedley Butler? Are you a war profiteer too? I didn't know that!

You ever wonder why the Government rarely awards the Medal of Honor to living recipients? Answer; they are then untouchable by chickenhawks you support in the Republican party and the truth they say can't be rebutted. Republicans have no shame and they try to discredit people like Shoup and Butler anyway.

Yes. You are noble, I am evil. I'm pretty clear on that.

 

[buckwheat]

Gee, there are something like 1.4 million active military and your sample size is 56?

And no, I did not serve. So What? It's kinda like me saying you aren't a doctor so you are disqualified from talking about healthcare.

I have a family member who is a Marine Colonel. If I need some insight I'll just pick up the phone, but thanks for the suggested reading.

For those, not Ollie's nephew, who are interested. Here is an excerpt from War Is a Racket.

I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.


This is from MOH recipient Shoup about Vietnam which was just getting underway for the U.S. when Shoup was Commandant of the USMC.

"I believe if we had, and would, keep our dirty, bloody, dollar-crooked fingers out of the business of these nations so full of depressed, exploited people, they will arrive at a solution of their own. That they design and want. That they fight and work for... and not the American style, which they don't want. Not one crammed down their throats by the Americans."

Scott, is this what Uncle Ollie tells you on the phone?

 

[TRDean]

Reading this thread lately has really opened my eyes…it is like I am reading the transcript of a Congressional session!! This has turned into nothing more than name calling and belittling. As a citizen of the US, I have used a lot of “social” programs through my life. When younger I was laid off from my job and decided to go back to university. I was married and had a young child, and another on the way. I didn’t have a lot of money, so we used food stamps, WIC, and everything else we could to make our way, which we did. Now, I am fortunate enough to be well employed and successful in my career. As most know on here, I am conservative leaning…does that mean I am in line with Rush, or whoever the other talking heads on the radio? I have never listened to Rush or anyone, I make up my own mind…but I take it that some of you on here like to lump every person who is not a liberal into that group...well guess what…you are wrong!! Your vitriol against said conservatism and lumping everyone together is the most divisive garbage I have read or heard in such a long time. Some of you must spend lots of time reading law, social commentary, philosophy, and the like…good for you. I don’t have the time because I read so much for work and have a family to raise otherwise. Coming onto a cycling website and spewing this stuff (which I have actually enjoyed reading until recently) makes you nothing more than a cocksure individual. I would hope that if I met any of you on the roadside of a race that we would be friends from the start…maybe, maybe not…I was always told that to have a debate with someone was fantastic and attacks on opposition arguments were fair game..but the line is crossed when there are attacks on the individual. This goes both ways…

 

[TRDean]

For those, not Ollie's nephew, who are interested. Here is an excerpt from War Is a Racket.

I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.


This is from MOH recipient Shoup about Vietnam which was just getting underway for the U.S. when Shoup was Commandant of the USMC.

"I believe if we had, and would, keep our dirty, bloody, dollar-crooked fingers out of the business of these nations so full of depressed, exploited people, they will arrive at a solution of their own. That they design and want. That they fight and work for... and not the American style, which they don't want. Not one crammed down their throats by the Americans."

Scott, is this what Uncle Ollie tells you on the phone?

He sure spend quite a long time (33 years) being a thug...

 

[buckwheat]

He sure spend quite a long time (33 years) being a thug...

Obviously it pained the guy. Let me let you in on a secret. Members of the USMC are trained killers. Do you want them to be all philosophical when they're out battling on the streets of some 3rd World $hithole?


Look, you're a guy that was given a hand up, and now you are slapping down at the hands that also need to be helped out of the pit of misery.

What can one say? You are in league with Clarence Thomas. Your delicate sensibilities allow people like GWB and Cheney to control the war machine slaughter but they are offended by words laying blame at the steps where the blame lies.

It doesn't offend you at all that GWB invokes the Higher Father to start a war which his own father was against.

Hey man, as long as all is good with you.

 

[patricknd]

Just a recent sample of which way the prospective leaders from the military are leaning. I'm sure you'll be hanging with some private from the sticks.



No it's not kinda like it at all. One needs to be a doctor to know that all humans need health care? Do you need to be a Dentist to know that all people need Dental hygiene?

Sure, you can talk about anything. Doesn't mean much though. I love how the wealthy opt out of protecting the country, and these enlistment incentives are a joke. $25,000? George P. Bush wouldn't even think about enlisting for $25M.



Who? Oliver North? I wonder if he nailed Fawn Hall. We need these lunatics to remind us that, "sometimes you have to go above the written law." Hey thanks Ollie you schmuck.



To hear about how the Marines made him a man? This is laughable stuff. Here's another suggestion; To Hell and Back. I guess your Ollie was more of a bada$$ than Audie Murphy.

You wouldn't read War is a Racket by two time MOH recipient Smedley Butler? Are you a war profiteer too? I didn't know that!

You ever wonder why the Government rarely awards the Medal of Honor to living recipients? Answer; they are then untouchable by chickenhawks you support in the Republican party and the truth they say can't be rebutted. Republicans have no shame and they try to discredit people like Shoup and Butler anyway.

you sound well versed on the subject. tell us all about your military service

 

[TRDean]

Obviously it pained the guy. Let me let you in on a secret. Members of the USMC are trained killers. Do you want them to be all philosophical when they're out battling on the streets of some 3rd World $hithole?


Look, you're a guy that was given a hand up, and now you are slapping down at the hands that also need to be helped out of the pit of misery.

What can one say? You are in league with Clarence Thomas. Your delicate sensibilities allow people like GWB and Cheney to control the war machine slaughter but they are offended by words laying blame at the steps where the blame lies.

It doesn't offend you at all that GWB invokes the Higher Father to start a war which his own father was against.

Hey man, as long as all is good with you.

When did I ever say anthing that you just quoted? Don't put word into my mouth junior!! Go back and play with spanky!! You come of as a complete joke. Like I said...never put words into my mouth...

 

[buckwheat]

you sound well versed on the subject. tell us all about your military service

Special Forces.

 

[buckwheat]

When did I ever say anthing that you just quoted? Don't put word into my mouth junior!! Go back and play with spanky!! You come of as a complete joke. Like I said...never put words into my mouth...

Nice specific response! Truth is, you have very little to say other than you are conservative leaning and are offended when someone calls you on what Conservatives stand for. I ask again, what can one say?

 

[Anonymous]

For those, not Ollie's nephew, who are interested. Here is an excerpt from War Is a Racket.

I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.


This is from MOH recipient Shoup about Vietnam which was just getting underway for the U.S. when Shoup was Commandant of the USMC.

"I believe if we had, and would, keep our dirty, bloody, dollar-crooked fingers out of the business of these nations so full of depressed, exploited people, they will arrive at a solution of their own. That they design and want. That they fight and work for... and not the American style, which they don't want. Not one crammed down their throats by the Americans."

Scott, is this what Uncle Ollie tells you on the phone?

Are you projecting, perhaps?

BTW, I would be thrilled to call Ollie 'uncle'.

I'd imagine the military is full of independent opinions. The fact that some write in objection to the political machine in Washington should surprise no one. If you are offering this up as some sort of proof source of the complete evil of business interests (or whatever this vet is espousing) then please forgive me if I choose not to be impressed with either you or the author.

 

[buckwheat]

Are you projecting, perhaps?

BTW, I would be thrilled to call Ollie 'uncle'.

I'd imagine the military is full of independent opinions. The fact that some write in objection to the political machine in Washington should surprise no one. If you are offering this up as some sort of proof source of the complete evil of business interests (or whatever this vet is espousing) then please forgive me if I choose not to be impressed with either you or the author.

You're impressed with the criminal North but not impressed with a 4 Star General, MOH recipient, who was Commandant of the USMC, who was promoted into that position by Ike, or another General who was one of only 3, two time MOH recipients?

Whatever dude.

 

[Anonymous]

Special Forces.

All argument aside, thanks for your service.

I can't even imagine what you guys go (went) through.

 

[patricknd]

Special Forces.

a little more specific?

 

[TRDean]

Nice specific response! Truth is, you have very little to say other than you are conservative leaning and are offended when someone calls you on what Conservatives stand for. I ask again, what can one say?

Specific response to what? You put words into my mouth and I call you out on it...the problem with you is that you are completely unable to think objectively. I am conservative leaning...however, I am against the war in Iraq and the middle east...I work for an environmental firm...I consider myself educated and well rounded enough that I can learn from others (rhubroma) as I don't have the time to read the same things he does. However, all you want to do is call conservatives names, and insult. My guess is you only read liberal print...books...and espouse what they say. At least I can say I vote and act with my own brain.

And back to the point...I never said I wanted to smack the hand of those needing help...if there are systems in place so that I know they are working to help themselves.

 

[Anonymous]

You're impressed with the criminal North but not impressed with a 4 Star General, MOH recipient, who was Commandant of the USMC, who was promoted into that position by Ike, or another General who was one of only 3, two time MOH recipients?

Whatever dude.

Put your politics down for a second and look at North's career. He was on the libs hit-list for some time but the guy, like you, served this Country and his commanders. I'll take my hat off for that.

 

[buckwheat]

a little more specific?

nyet......