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Election 2010: Nevada Senate
Nevada Senate: Angle 50%, Reid 39%

Kinda says a lot about Harry Reid, does'nt it?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/nevada/election_2010_nevada_senate

89 people at a Casino

 

[Anonymous]

89 people at a Casino

Probably true.

 

[Anonymous]

Something to look forward to

"Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse
Today's corporate profits reflect an income shift into 2010. These profits will tumble next year, preceded most likely by the stock market. "

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704113504575264513748386610.html?mod=WSJ_latestheadlines

 

[buckwheat]

Boy who cried "wolf."

"Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse
Today's corporate profits reflect an income shift into 2010. These profits will tumble next year, preceded most likely by the stock market. "

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704113504575264513748386610.html?mod=WSJ_latestheadlines

Won't happen.

 

[rhubroma]

Sorry for the simplistic response. A version of this debate has been going on and off on this thread for the last 400 pages or so.

You can look at numbers any way you want. The thing that gets me about the US situation is the debt, the rate of increase in the debt and the projected debt going forward. We have an administration that is not pragmatic... they are idealogues. They are perfectly willing to spend borrowed money and do significant (at least short term) damage to the economic engine (cap and trade for example) as well as long term damage (tax increases, VAT tax that's being discussed, inflation and interest rates that will surely rise). There is no direction for economic recovery from this administration and business looks at these clowns and has no idea what to expect going forward.

The ability to spend money is established. The ability to help the economic engine that provides the money for the spending has not been established and it's becoming clear that this administration does not know how to do this.

However, since Reganism, having high fiscal debt has never been much of a bother to the conservatives. And how about the several trillion dollars the Iraq war has cost? Talk about ideology.

Point III: That's why the conservatives have always simply counted on China to buoy our dept and hence sustain the economy. If it aint broke don't fix it.

 

[buckwheat]

Frank Rich pegs Scott and his friends

However, since Reganism, having high fiscal debt has never been much of a bother to the conservatives. And how about the several trillion dollars the Iraq war has cost? Talk about ideology.

Point III: That's why the conservatives have always simply counted on China to buoy our dept and hence sustain the economy. If it aint broke don't fix it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/opinion/20rich.html?hp


When Joe Barton, the ranking Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, revived Rand Paul’s defense of BP last week by apologizing on camera to Hayward for the “tragedy” of the White House’s “$20 billion shakedown,” the G.O.P. establishment had to shut him down because he was revealing the party’s true loyalties, not because it disagreed with him. Barton was merely echoing Michele Bachmann, who labeled the $20 billion for gulf victims a “redistribution-of-wealth fund,” and the 100-plus other House members whose Republican Study Committee had labeled the $20 billion a “Chicago-style shakedown” only a day before Barton did.

These tribunes of the antigovernment right and their Tea Party auxiliaries are clamoring for a new revolution to “take back America” — after which, we now can see, they would hand over America to the likes of BP. Let Deepwater Horizon be ground zero for a 9/11 showdown over the role of government. There couldn’t be a riper moment for Obama, as a man once said, to bring it on.

 

[Anonymous]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/opinion/20rich.html?hp


When Joe Barton, the ranking Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, revived Rand Paul’s defense of BP last week by apologizing on camera to Hayward for the “tragedy” of the White House’s “$20 billion shakedown,” the G.O.P. establishment had to shut him down because he was revealing the party’s true loyalties, not because it disagreed with him. Barton was merely echoing Michele Bachmann, who labeled the $20 billion for gulf victims a “redistribution-of-wealth fund,” and the 100-plus other House members whose Republican Study Committee had labeled the $20 billion a “Chicago-style shakedown” only a day before Barton did.

These tribunes of the antigovernment right and their Tea Party auxiliaries are clamoring for a new revolution to “take back America” — after which, we now can see, they would hand over America to the likes of BP. Let Deepwater Horizon be ground zero for a 9/11 showdown over the role of government. There couldn’t be a riper moment for Obama, as a man once said, to bring it on.

Wow. Rich nailed it.

"What’s also being tarred daily by the gushing oil is the very notion that government can accomplish anything."

"The choice between inept government and no government is no choice at all, of course."

Interesting how the libs argue how horrible the GOP is. Hand over America to the likes of BP? No, but Rich also recognizes this Country has been, on some level, handed over to the likes of the MMS.

The Feds pull BP in for a public display of "let's listen to ourselves bloviate." Meanwhile I've seen no similar show with the clowns at MMS. I wonder why that is? Probably the same reason that Dodd's not in jail AND still making policy.

If BP were a govt entity and Tony Hayward were a Senator in charge of oversight he would nary been asked a tough question, much less been shown the door.

 

[usedtobefast]

"you wanna get sad? you wanna feel bad? listen to this story."
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/18/oil.rig.explosion/?hpt=T1

 

[rhubroma]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/opinion/20rich.html?hp


When Joe Barton, the ranking Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, revived Rand Paul’s defense of BP last week by apologizing on camera to Hayward for the “tragedy” of the White House’s “$20 billion shakedown,” the G.O.P. establishment had to shut him down because he was revealing the party’s true loyalties, not because it disagreed with him. Barton was merely echoing Michele Bachmann, who labeled the $20 billion for gulf victims a “redistribution-of-wealth fund,” and the 100-plus other House members whose Republican Study Committee had labeled the $20 billion a “Chicago-style shakedown” only a day before Barton did.

These tribunes of the antigovernment right and their Tea Party auxiliaries are clamoring for a new revolution to “take back America” — after which, we now can see, they would hand over America to the likes of BP. Let Deepwater Horizon be ground zero for a 9/11 showdown over the role of government. There couldn’t be a riper moment for Obama, as a man once said, to bring it on.

But of course. It should also be mentioned that the conservatives have no trouble running up the national dept on the military. Oh but health care is rather evil.

I've come to the conclusion, however, that Obama is "fixing" the wrong end in this last regard, for it's the insurance industry itself that has to go.

Do you know that the insurance companies strike bargains with the hospitals they send their clients to? So let's say an angioplasty costs 15 grand, they pay say $500. Whereas if an uninsured patient has the same procedure done, he of course pays the full amount, then has a payment plan set up to pay it off with interest, which perhaps the hospital's best patient provider insurance company has financed. America is such a demented place.

 

[Hugh Januss]

But of course. It should also be mentioned that the conservatives have no trouble running up the national dept on the military. Oh but health care is rather evil.

I've come to the conclusion, however, that Obama is "fixing" the wrong end in this last regard, for it's the insurance industry itself that has to go.

Do you know that the insurance companies strike bargains with the hospitals they send their clients to? So let's say an angioplasty costs 15 grand, they pay say $500. Whereas if an uninsured patient has the same procedure done, he of course pays the full amount, then has a payment plan set up to pay it off with interest, which perhaps the hospital's best patient provider insurance company has financed. America is such a demented place.

Well it's a nice place if you are on top.

 

[rhubroma]

Well it's a nice place if you are on top.

And we can all make it there, Hugh. We just have to believe in the American Dream.

 

[Anonymous]

America is such a demented place.

I get bummed out about $13 Trillion in national debt and over $1 Trillion annual deficit too. Yet our govt has no interest in acknowledging, much less addressing, the issue of our lifetime.

 

[rhubroma]

I get bummed out about $13 Trillion in national debt and over $1 Trillion annual deficit too. Yet our govt has no interest in acknowledging, much less adressing, the issue of our lifetime.

Don't worry about the debt baby, we've got China to keep us aloft.

Let's just hope that one day The Great Dragon doesn't transform fiscal investment into a commercial sales enterprise. You know, everything's up for sale...including California. Sell baby, sell!!!

 

[Anonymous]

Don't worry about the debt baby, we've got China to keep us aloft.

Let's just hope that one day The Great Dragon doesn't transform fiscal investment into a commercial sales enterprise. You know, everything's up for sale...including California. Sell baby, sell!!!

'Sell baby sell' only works if there is someone to 'buy baby buy.'

However, in China's case it will probably come down to 'take baby take.'

 

[patricknd]

But of course. It should also be mentioned that the conservatives have no trouble running up the national dept on the military. Oh but health care is rather evil.

I've come to the conclusion, however, that Obama is "fixing" the wrong end in this last regard, for it's the insurance industry itself that has to go.

Do you know that the insurance companies strike bargains with the hospitals they send their clients to? So let's say an angioplasty costs 15 grand, they pay say $500. Whereas if an uninsured patient has the same procedure done, he of course pays the full amount, then has a payment plan set up to pay it off with interest, which perhaps the hospital's best patient provider insurance company has financed. America is such a demented place.

you negotiate cash pricing beforehand. it's a pretty common practice.

 

[rhubroma]

'Sell baby sell' only works if there is someone to 'buy baby buy.'

However, in China's case it will probably come down to 'take baby take.'

And I hear its a buyers' market these days in your neck of the woods friend. Southern Cal up for the takin would look pretty sweet with huge facades with Mao's portraits everywhere!

Watch out the big red flags are a coming...

 

[rhubroma]

you negotiate cash pricing beforehand. it's a pretty common practice.

Sure in the land of health up for bid in the commodities market.

 

[buckwheat]

Wow. Rich nailed it.

"What’s also being tarred daily by the gushing oil is the very notion that government can accomplish anything."

"The choice between inept government and no government is no choice at all, of course."

Interesting how the libs argue how horrible the GOP is. Hand over America to the likes of BP? No, but Rich also recognizes this Country has been, on some level, handed over to the likes of the MMS.

The Feds pull BP in for a public display of "let's listen to ourselves bloviate." Meanwhile I've seen no similar show with the clowns at MMS. I wonder why that is? Probably the same reason that Dodd's not in jail AND still making policy.

If BP were a govt entity and Tony Hayward were a Senator in charge of oversight he would nary been asked a tough question, much less been shown the door.

The only reason you know about the MMS to begin with is that they did get hammered and by the "liberal" media.

The MMS was corrupted by the conservatives of the world who are all for "drill baby drill."

Obama's failure was that he's been derelict in his duty to clean up Republican crimes and put the criminals in jail.

He's also either corrupt himself or extremely naive if he thinks he can treat Republicans as anything other than criminals.

 

[Anonymous]

The only reason you know about the MMS to begin with is that they did get hammered and by the "liberal" media.

The MMS was corrupted by the conservatives of the world who are all for "drill baby drill."

Obama's failure was that he's been derelict in his duty to clean up Republican crimes and put the criminals in jail.

He's also either corrupt himself or extremely naive if he thinks he can treat Republicans as anything other than criminals.

Your funniest writing to date

BTW, whom is more criminal... the individual making the bribe or the individual accepting it?

Are you really saying all Republicans are criminals?

You are taking Liberals = Good, Conservatives = Bad to a whole new level.

How about this... Corruption = Bad (no matter the ideology).

 

[Anonymous]

Sure in the land of health up for bid in the commodities market.

I never really pegged you for being so naive. Either that or your ideology has taken over.

What do you think Medicare is if not govt negotiated fees for service?

 

[rhubroma]

I never really pegged you for being so naive. Either that or your ideology has taken over.

What do you think Medicare is if not govt negotiated fees for service?

I'm naive enough to realize that there's a big difference between "negotiated fees" coming from the public sector and those from the private corporations.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm naive enough to realize that there's a big difference between "negotiated fees" coming from the public sector and those from the private corporations.

True. There's a huge difference. Just ask the doctors that won't take Medicare anymore.

Eh, who cares. They are probably greedy capitalists anyway...

 

[buckwheat]

Your funniest writing to date)

Odd, I think it's kind of sad.

BTW, whom is more criminal... the individual making the bribe or the individual accepting it?

You want a situation where there is no one to bribe. "Govt. is the problem" according to the saviour Raygun.

Are you really saying all Republicans are criminals?

NO, the leadership has a large criminal element. The rest are misguided, naive, greedy, and dopey.

You are taking Liberals = Good, Conservatives = Bad to a whole new level.

We have to progress, not be reactionary.

How about this... Corruption = Bad (no matter the ideology).

Agreed. An example is the corruption of the oil industry. Very bad.

 

[Anonymous]

Odd, I think it's kind of sad.



You want a situation where there is no one to bribe. "Govt. is the problem" according to the saviour Raygun.

NO, the leadership has a large criminal element. The rest are misguided, naive, greedy, and dopey.




We have to progress, not be reactionary.



Agreed. An example is the corruption of the oil industry. Very bad.

Ok. You've demonstrated you will make a fine politician. So, I'll ask again. Whom is more criminal... The person offering or the person accepting the bribe?

 

[rhubroma]

True. There's a huge difference. Just ask the doctors that won't take Medicare anymore.

Eh, who cares. They are probably greedy capitalists anyway...

Just once, Scott So Cal, I totally agree with you. But just once.