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Scott SoCal said:
I'm thinking BP pensioners believe the Obama admin's behavior to be thuggish. I'm guessing the bond holders of GM (before the bankruptcy) think the Obama admin to be thugs. I'm guessing most of the dems holding out during the healthcare votes feel the Obama admin to have exhibited thuggish behavior. The SEIU are certainly are guilty of thuggish behavior recently. Chrysler being forced to partner with Fiat was... thuggish?

"January 20 will mark a year since Barack Obama took the oath of office. As this is written, the entire nation awaits the outcome of the special election in Massachusetts and many want to see an end to the Democrat control of the Senate. There are any number of ironies, not the least of which that it was Massachusetts that gave us JFK and his bloated little brother, Teddy.

It is hard to recall a more brutally partisan administration and Congress. Bribery and thuggish uncivil behavior has become the hallmark of the Democrat controlled political process; weakness and appeasement the nation’s foreign policy.
“Yes, we can” has transitioned into a public panic regarding the massive expenditures, the billions spent to take over the auto industry, banks, insurance companies, and an insulting “stimulus” bill devoted more to “green jobs” than real jobs. The final injury as the first year comes to a close would be the passage in the Senate of a widely hated Medicare “reform” that reeked of unconstitutional elements and which will surely be challenged in the courts.

But, Liberal = Good. Conservative = Bad. Life, business, politics and govt are simple like that.


What demagoguery now Scot SoCal. What exquisite wisdom, however! How do you do it Scott SoCal? When the rest of us are so unclear about the world and about philosophy. The other day on the Piazza del Popolo I had launched into one of my philosophical disquisitions, which no one dreads more than I, because they had become more frequent in recent years, though all they have in common with philosophy is the motive behind them. Everything I said was nonesensical and ultimately silly, while you enlighten us so appositely about government, liberal and conservative ideology, as you have shown us the way toward understanding here. Whereas I had spoken something about Montaigne that even I did not understand the moment I said it. For no sooner had I uttered my observation about Montaigne and was asked to explain it, I could not do so, as I no longer knew what I had said. We say something that is quite clear at the time, then a moment later we don't know what it was just two or three seconds later, unlike Scott SoCal's thinking, which is always perfectly lucid, long-lived and encyclopedic in its scope. We ought to be able to say something and record it in our minds, like you Scott SoCal, but we can't. I've no idea why I spoke about Montaigne just then, and of course I've even less of an idea what I said. We image we've reached a stage like Scott SoCal where we've become a thinking machine, but we can't rely on its thinking as he can. This machine works unremittingly against the brain, I thought. It generates thoughts, but we don't know where they come from, why they were conceived, or what they relate to. The fact is that, even in Scott SoCal's case, this nonstop thinking machine overtaxes us. The brain is overburdened but has no escape, Scott SoCal, as it's inevitably linked up to the machine for the rest of our lives. Until we die. You say Montaigne, Scott SoCal, but right now I don't know what that means. Dante? I don't know what that means, anymore than I know what Schopenhauer means. You might just as well say buttercup: I wouldn't know what that meant either. And don't go and visit the places of Dante, Virgil and Petrarch, because if you do you'll destroy everything about them that you now have in your head. It's unbearably depressing. You think about some ordinary notion like liberals and conservatives, only to find that your mind is a blank, that there's nothing there. You want to grasp some ordinary notion, and there's nothing whatever in your head. For days you go around with a total void in your head. You tap it and find that it's quite empty. It drives you out of your mind and makes you desperatly unhappy, utterly sick of life, Scott SoCal. Although I'm a teacher, my mind's a complete blank most of the time. Probably because I've overtaxed it, I've thought. By demanding too much of it. By quite simply overrating it. We overrate our minds and expect too much of them, and then we're suprised when we tap our heads and find them entirely void, Scott SoCal. They don't contain even the bare minimum, I've thought. And from time to time the philosphers who mean something to us, completely withdraw from our minds, probably because we've missused them. They simply decamp and leave our minds vacant, so that instead of having ideas in our minds--especially among those of the political class--sensible or otherwise, philosophical or otherwise: we're left with an unbearable pain that makes you want to cry out in frustration, Scott SoCal. Though you seem quite immune from this pain and existential ancst. But if we cried out in our world, everyone would be let on to the emptiness of our minds and conversely to the fullness of yours, Soctt SoCal. And suddenly everything would be at an end. Everyhting would fly apart in an immense explosion. Consequently unlike you we approach philosophy with extreme caution, and we fail. Then with resolution, and we fail. Even if we approach it head-on and lay ourselves open, we fail. It's like we had no right to share in philosophy, I've thought. Philosophy is like the air we breath: we breath in, but can't retain it for long before breathing out. All our lives we constantly inhale and exhale it, but we can never retain it for that vital extra moment that would make all difference. So how do you do it, Scott SoCal? How do you have that superhuman capacity to breath it all in and retain it for so long before having to exhale it, which is our illumination of all your thoughts and ideas that we have never had the brainpower to comprehend for ourselves, without you? Without your brilliance we'd no doubt be doomed, I've thought. Please keep on enlightening us with your incomparable wisdom, Scott SoCal, as it supplies us with the oxygen we need to survive and to bear this existence.

Ever greatful.
 
Scott SoCal said:
It is hard to recall a more brutally partisan administration and Congress. Bribery and thuggish uncivil behavior has become the hallmark of the...political process...

It is astounding...the reign of terror...

Every single word of this is entirely true, just not the context. You were really refering to, although this wasn't clear at the time of your remarks, the neocons in power over the previous two-term Bush administration and the conservative political class in general. I can think of nothing else but calling them all a bunch of criminals, for all the earthshattering crimes against civilization and democracy that they commited. Serious crimes like the war in Iraq and the cynical manipulation of a widely ill-informed and scared American people post-9-11, which had vandalized the American democracy and the American state. The laizzes-fair approach to deregulated financial capitalism, another one of their crimes, led to the economic disaster that the present administration is only having to deal with for its terrible effects. Such crimes are only made more scandalous by the sinister and twisted ideology of the conservatives, who have neither the human decency nor the mental wherewithall to realize the awful premices governing their merciless world view; for which greed, mendacity and anti-hmumanist principles allow them to see no farther than their own base private interests, that thus permit them to find appaling any form of collective saftey nets like universal healthcare, while supporting the evil practices of the insurance business and those of the profit considerations of the pharmaceutical mulit-nationals. They have no compunction about persuing to the furthest possible degree the promotion of private business, with all of its corruption and condemnable business practices, but have no inclination whatsoever of anything philosophically and ethically upstanding about the public domain upon which any enlightened civilization since the collapse of the ancien regime has at least attempted to be based upon. They are really for the priviledged social class, are in reality disguised monarchists who disdain democracy and only falsely hide behind their rather ignoble and demented concept of liberty, which says "I am only responsible to myself." For this reason the word "I" is uttered incesently in their political rhetoric, as if a reasuring mantra to, like a charm, protect them from any sense of guilt, and shame, in their political positions. Words like companions-- from cum panis ("sharing bread")--mean absolutely nothing to them. They are consequently shameless types, who have no qualms about their own sefishness, and are quite oblivious, blind and uneffected by all the misery that fills the world around them. It is therefore reprehensible and grotesque that many of these conservative criminals are also religious bigots, who make and instrumental use of their faith as a means to postion themselves on the so called side of rightousness, when they in fact go against every principle of collectivism, helping the needy, giving up wealth and power, upon which the teachings of the founder of their faith was vigorously all about. All of which is of course disgusting. They are the worst hypocrits and are only matched by the champagne drinking socialists.
 
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Good Lord Scotty.. GM bond holders forced GM into bankruptcy..The CFDs they held on the bonds would make them more money than the bonds..Once again thank one of your apostles Wendy Gramm.

Teabag much? Gray haired old farts "keep the government out of my medicare" bwahhaaaa

Conservative=nothing.. or child molesters, drunks, CSrs, compensators, whiny little girls.

Hmmm Red, follow the money much? Try that in th GM case and let me know what you find.

You sound mighty angry towards those that politically oppose you.
 
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How about answering a question I posed.

Just because some police are corrupt, do you eliminate the police?

You also still don't understand the premise that "We the People" are the government, but please try a little harder.

Well Buck, you must have been in sales at some point in your life because you like to answer questions by asking questions. So I'll answer yours.

I'd like to think that the cops in your scenario would be held to account AS WELL AS those who bought them.

Now it's your turn to answer my question. I can only assume you think anyone who might attempt to bribe a public official/politician can, by definition, only be a Republican. So, what about the bribed pulic official/politician? Should they be held to account? And should you and me go to jail with them since the govt is "We the people?"
 
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Every single word of this is entirely true, just not the context. You were really refering to, although this wasn't clear at the time of your remarks, the neocons in power over the previous two-term Bush administration and the conservative political class in general.


You didn't read the article. Those were not my words and they were not referring to the Bush admin.
 
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What demagoguery now Scot SoCal. What exquisite wisdom, however! How do you do it Scott SoCal? When the rest of us are so unclear about the world and about philosophy. The other day on the Piazza del Popolo I had launched into one of my philosophical disquisitions, which no one dreads more than I, because they had become more frequent in recent years, though all they have in common with philosophy is the motive behind them. Everything I said was nonesensical and ultimately silly, while you enlighten us so appositely about government, liberal and conservative ideology, as you have shown us the way toward understanding here. Whereas I had spoken something about Montaigne that even I did not understand the moment I said it. For no sooner had I uttered my observation about Montaigne and was asked to explain it, I could not do so, as I no longer knew what I had said. We say something that is quite clear at the time, then a moment later we don't know what it was just two or three seconds later, unlike Scott SoCal's thinking, which is always perfectly lucid, long-lived and encyclopedic in its scope. We ought to be able to say something and record it in our minds, like you Scott SoCal, but we can't. I've no idea why I spoke about Montaigne just then, and of course I've even less of an idea what I said. We image we've reached a stage like Scott SoCal where we've become a thinking machine, but we can't rely on its thinking as he can. This machine works unremittingly against the brain, I thought. It generates thoughts, but we don't know where they come from, why they were conceived, or what they relate to. The fact is that, even in Scott SoCal's case, this nonstop thinking machine overtaxes us. The brain is overburdened but has no escape, Scott SoCal, as it's inevitably linked up to the machine for the rest of our lives. Until we die. You say Montaigne, Scott SoCal, but right now I don't know what that means. Dante? I don't know what that means, anymore than I know what Schopenhauer means. You might just as well say buttercup: I wouldn't know what that meant either. And don't go and visit the places of Dante, Virgil and Petrarch, because if you do you'll destroy everything about them that you now have in your head. It's unbearably depressing. You think about some ordinary notion like liberals and conservatives, only to find that your mind is a blank, that there's nothing there. You want to grasp some ordinary notion, and there's nothing whatever in your head. For days you go around with a total void in your head. You tap it and find that it's quite empty. It drives you out of your mind and makes you desperatly unhappy, utterly sick of life, Scott SoCal. Although I'm a teacher, my mind's a complete blank most of the time. Probably because I've overtaxed it, I've thought. By demanding too much of it. By quite simply overrating it. We overrate our minds and expect too much of them, and then we're suprised when we tap our heads and find them entirely void, Scott SoCal. They don't contain even the bare minimum, I've thought. And from time to time the philosphers who mean something to us, completely withdraw from our minds, probably because we've missused them. They simply decamp and leave our minds vacant, so that instead of having ideas in our minds--especially among those of the political class--sensible or otherwise, philosophical or otherwise: we're left with an unbearable pain that makes you want to cry out in frustration, Scott SoCal. Though you seem quite immune from this pain and existential ancst. But if we cried out in our world, everyone would be let on to the emptiness of our minds and conversely to the fullness of yours, Soctt SoCal. And suddenly everything would be at an end. Everyhting would fly apart in an immense explosion. Consequently unlike you we approach philosophy with extreme caution, and we fail. Then with resolution, and we fail. Even if we approach it head-on and lay ourselves open, we fail. It's like we had no right to share in philosophy, I've thought. Philosophy is like the air we breath: we breath in, but can't retain it for long before breathing out. All our lives we constantly inhale and exhale it, but we can never retain it for that vital extra moment that would make all difference. So how do you do it, Scott SoCal? How do you have that superhuman capacity to breath it all in and retain it for so long before having to exhale it, which is our illumination of all your thoughts and ideas that we have never had the brainpower to comprehend for ourselves, without you? Without your brilliance we'd no doubt be doomed, I've thought. Please keep on enlightening us with your incomparable wisdom, Scott SoCal, as it supplies us with the oxigen we need to survive and to bear this existence.

Ever greatful.


Dramatic. Very dramatic.

You are a teacher but you really wanted to be an actor. So you are frustrated... it's ok, you can finally let go of that pain right here. It will be ok.

Instead of acting have you ever considered writing screen-play? It's not as glamorous as acting but I think you might be quite good at it. Of course, you'll have to dumb down some of your writing because you are quite a bit smarter than everyone else.

Just a suggestion.

BTW, I really liked the highlighted passage.
 
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Retirement announcement

From a prepared statement......

Ok <wipes tears from eyes>

I, uh... after much thought an deliberation, I.... have decided to um, retire effective immediately from this thread. While I, um...<sniff> still believe I can compete at this level, uh... it's time for me to walk away and, uh, let the next wave of posters take it from here.

I'll miss you guys.... we've gone through battles together and I will... never forget it.



Actually most of this thread is very forgettable.:) You guys have fun in here.

Ciao
 
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Diaper Dave..Typical Conservative.. Not wrong until you are caught or someone finds out.

""Brent Furer, the aide to Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) who allegedly cut his girlfriend with a knife during a 2008 altercation and has had other run-ins with the law, has resigned after ABC reported on his criminal record, the AP is reporting.

The AP says Vitter "accepted" Furer's resignation.

The move raises the question of why Vitter would accept Furer's resignation now after keeping him on payroll for the roughly 30 months since the incident occurred.
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http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/ap_vitter_aide_in_assault_case_resigns.php?ref=fpblg
 

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back to kindergarten.

Scott SoCal said:
Well Buck, you must have been in sales at some point in your life because you like to answer questions by asking questions. So I'll answer yours.

I'd like to think that the cops in your scenario would be held to account AS WELL AS those who bought them.

Yes, all lawbreakers should be held accountable by the People of the State of California/AZ/NM/NY et al. and /or the United States v ahhhhh.... whoever broke the law. Those lawbreakers may include any citizens of the U.S. up to and including people like the POTUS or members of the SCOTUS.


Scott SoCal said:
Now it's your turn to answer my question. I can only assume you think anyone who might attempt to bribe a public official/politician can, by definition, only be a Republican.

Nah, lawbreakers can include those such as LBJ who had a major lying problem about the Vietnam War. He had some shame at least. Didn't run again. The Republican criminals/chickenhawks are still crowing that we could have won that disaster. Maybe if we nuked them and killed a few million more.

Scott SoCal said:
So, what about the bribed pulic official/politician? Should they be held to account.

When did I ever say they shouldn't? You like strawmen, eh?


Scott SoCal said:
And should you and me go to jail with them since the govt is "We the people?"

When I play in the sandbox, I prefer to do so with Tonka's, shovels, buckets and such. Not toasters.:)

BTW, I'm announcing my retirement from the thread.

Before I do I just want to reiterate the foreseeable and predictable lessons the Challenger incident exemplified.

LMAO.
 
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Australia could have its 1st ever wman prime minister today as she has challenged Kevin Rudd's leadership! Nothing will change in there policies.
 
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Australia could have its 1st ever wman prime minister today as she has challenged Kevin Rudd's leadership! Nothing will change in there policies.

make an independent thread about that. This thread has been hijacked by 2 carricatures of the American left right divide.

the f***ers didnt even bother to read my post when i tried to point out that when a politician names his son after ayn rand, he should not be given such respect.

Also, considering your post about womens cycling, do you have any theories as to whether a female prime minister might be less capapble than a male one? ;)
 
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make an independent thread about that. This thread has been hijacked by 2 carricatures of the American left right divide.

the f***ers didnt even bother to read my post when i tried to point out that when a politician names his son after ayn rand, he should not be given such respect.

Also, considering your post about womens cycling, do you have any theories as to whether a female prime minister might be less capapble than a male one? ;)

You do realise that was a joke? The thread is "general politics"
 
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You do realise that was a joke? The thread is "general politics"

Yes i do realise yours was a joke and so was mine, hence the ;)

And this thread is general politics but its 400 + pages mean that far fewer people will take a look at it.
Also you already tried once to get you voice heard about Australian politics a few days back, to no avail as the aforementioned americans were shouting too loud .

Also if you are truely interested in Australian politics, then here is a great very high quality recent discussion from Australia about political speech involving the great man himself.
(they make lot of jokes about Rudd and howard)
http://www.themonthly.com.au/hitchens-crabb-ress-programmatic-specificity-we-can-believe-p1-2470
 
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one was a good pm and the other wasn't. how could you not be if you were the 2nd longest serving PM.:rolleyes:

the second longest serving pm in italy is sylvio berlusconi and he is a mafioso and certainatly not a good pm.
 
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I'm Sorry Anglo Persian Oil Company

""The Anglo-Persian Oil Company (APOC) was founded in 1908 following the discovery of a large oil field in Masjed Soleiman, Iran. It was the first company to extract oil from the Middle East. In 1935 APOC was renamed the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC) and in 1954 became the British Petroleum Company (BP), one of the antecedents of the modern BP Plc.""

""By 1953 both the US and the UK both had new, more anti-communist and more interventionist administrations. The United States no longer opposed intervention in Iran. Britain was unable to subvert Mossadegh as its embassy and officials had been evicted from Iran in October 1952, but successfully appealed in the U.S. to anti-communist sentiments, depicting both Mossadegh and Iran as unstable and likely to fall to communism in their weakened state. If Iran fell, the "enormous assets" of "Iranian oil production and reserves" would fall into Communist control, as would "in short order the other areas of the Middle East".[15] In August the American CIA with the help of bribes to politicians, soldiers, mobs, and newspapers, and contacts/information from the British embassy and secret service, organized a coup. The shah issued an edict removing Mosaddeq from power and General Fazlollah Zahedi, led tanks to Mosaddeq's residence overthrowing him from office.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Iranian_Oil_Company
 
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ok, it is a large file. so it is.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65L6IA20100622

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My take...Ron Paul is the man. He makes too much sense to get elected. If he does, his term will be, sadly, cut short.
 
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CNN Breaking News -- "U.S. House OKs a nearly $59 billion emergency spending bill, the bulk of which would go to Afghan troop buildup."

I'm not American but...jeez...will the screwing over of the US taxpayer EVER end?!?
 
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