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redtreviso said:
doesn't this make you proud to be a republican? Ten years from now one of those children of dittoheads will be renting a uhaul and collecting fertilizer


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAWsy7VV8oE


I guess you missed that the boy scouts were unhappy that the President decided that it was more important to make an appearance on the ultra right media talk show "The View" than visit with them like he had promised. This happens to give a slightly different view of the scout video (of course this is yet another left bashing media outlet so is naturally unreliable): http://www.mediaite.com/online/did-the-boy-scouts-really-boo-president-obamas-video-message/

I guess if we are going to post the future - here is one who had a left coast upbringing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrVcXUqfHnQ

Here is this fellows bio (or as close to it as Wiki gets): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Yahiye_Gadahn
 
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friend of yours?

""""My son is an Eagle Scout and I was in Scouts and serve as an Assistant Scoutmaster in an underprivileged school troop in the mainly black third-ward of urban Houston. In society, no matter BSA or not, there is a limit to the cheating, lying, stealing, and duplicity that citizens (including these boys) have to tolerate from anyone including the President. The fact that the booing comes from 35,000 of our nations best and brightest and most accomplished children must only indicate that the Republic is in very deep danger. Scouts, and indeed all citizens in every organization in this country, have every right to openly criticize a rouge thug leader who is clearly doing all in his power to destroy our nation and freedoms. With respect, you seem to be missing the severity of the threat to the survival of the USA. In case you missed it, the country is in the midst of a coup.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/30/stewart-to-media-nothing_n_664777.html
 
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redtreviso said:
friend of yours?

""""My son is an Eagle Scout and I was in Scouts and serve as an Assistant Scoutmaster in an underprivileged school troop in the mainly black third-ward of urban Houston. In society, no matter BSA or not, there is a limit to the cheating, lying, stealing, and duplicity that citizens (including these boys) have to tolerate from anyone including the President. The fact that the booing comes from 35,000 of our nations best and brightest and most accomplished children must only indicate that the Republic is in very deep danger. Scouts, and indeed all citizens in every organization in this country, have every right to openly criticize a rouge thug leader who is clearly doing all in his power to destroy our nation and freedoms. With respect, you seem to be missing the severity of the threat to the survival of the USA. In case you missed it, the country is in the midst of a coup.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/30/stewart-to-media-nothing_n_664777.html

Obama is a Republican??? I guess I missed it when he announced a change of parties:eek:
 
CentralCaliBike said:
I have heard plenty of democratic politicians claim family values and God's direction. To make the claim that all Republicans are amoral deviants and much worse than democrats, you clearly are both extremely bias (something you are claiming is a sole Republican character trait since it is also a form of hypocrisy) and lacking in basic understanding of human nature, particularly as it relates to politics.

We're just waiting for the Americans to take God out of the political rhetoric. For if one must preach, the pulpit is the proper place. In lay democracy, it is enough to use reason and the law to behave in a civilized manner.
 
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august 9 1974....but our country still had to endure another round of California Republicans

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CentralCaliBike said:
I guess you forgot about the Carter economy and somehow turned it into a claim of racism.

America was racist against Carter...
Americans are racists in general...
White Americans are racists...
All Republicans/Conservatives are racist...

My bet is you will claim all of the above.

Republicans are stoooopid

""So when you saw “the base” showing up at Sarah Palin rallies last year where her supporters where blatantly and openly racist, that’s no surprise. They are the people who watch Faux News psycho-tainment, listen to Rush, love Bill O’Reilly, think Hannity is a “great American,” and love Sarah Palin because she speaks the code of Nixon and Reagan.

“We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C. … We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation.” –Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in Greensoboro, N.C., Oct. 16, 2008
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redtreviso said:
Republicans are stoooopid

If you say that someone of a particular racial background is stupid what does that make you?

Logic suggests the basic flaw in character that would label someone racist for making negative comments based on race is closely related to the one which would characterize someone with a differing political philosophy as "stoooopid" for solely having that philosophy.
 
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CentralCaliBike said:
If you say that someone of a particular racial background is stupid what does that make you?

Logic suggests the basic flaw in character that would label someone racist for making negative comments based on race is closely related to the one which would characterize someone with a differing political philosophy as "stoooopid" for solely having that philosophy.

Being a prime target of dogwhistling is not political philosophy.. It is just stupid..It's perfect for those of about 80 IQ...If you like that shoe, wear it.
 
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I believe the first (and probably only time) I heard it quoted was in the movie Reds.

Wasn't that "religion is the opiate of the masses" Karl Marx-Communist Manifesto?
 
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I merely popped in to let you know I'm changing the tile of this thread to "General Politics" and dropping the Obama reference. But boy, you guys are terrible.

There were some primaries this week, and Steve Forbes endorsed some Tea Party candidates. Maybe you guys would like to discuss that instead of just bickering. Just a suggestion. Carry on.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
I merely popped in to let you know I'm changing the tile of this thread to "General Politics" and dropping the Obama reference. But boy, you guys are terrible.

There were some primaries this week, and Steve Forbes endorsed some Tea Party candidates. Maybe you guys would like to discuss that instead of just bickering. Just a suggestion. Carry on.

I think redtriviso already nailed the bolded above:

Being a prime target of dogwhistling is not political philosophy.. It is just stupid..It's perfect for those of about 80 IQ...If you like that shoe, wear it.

That about sums up Steve Forbes and Tea Party candidates, and their supporters.
 
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Perhaps a nice discussion starter:

Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

the summary for those who don't like reading, but love opinionating:

WASHINGTON — At first, the news from Yemen on May 25 sounded like a modest victory in the campaign against terrorists: an airstrike had hit a group suspected of being operatives for Al Qaeda in the remote desert of Marib Province, birthplace of the legendary queen of Sheba.

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The attack offered a glimpse of the Obama administration’s shadow war against Al Qaeda and its allies. In roughly a dozen countries — from the deserts of North Africa, to the mountains of ****stan, to former Soviet republics crippled by ethnic and religious strife — the United States has significantly increased military and intelligence operations, pursuing the enemy using robotic drones and commando teams, paying contractors to spy and training local operatives to chase terrorists.
 
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This is to any Aussie's . In the US we are getting Aussie news that consists of: because of the growing economy w an emphasis on mining you are going to have a big labor shortage. It's being painted that w India and China needing so much material that mining/oil/gas will create huge cash reserves that will last for@ 20 years or more as long as those 2 important buyers keep ordering boat loads of alum and copper. Are regular Aussie's anti immigration? Is the Big Australia immigration policy dead? I have seen pro immigration attitudes implode in 3 or 4 places I have lived. Just curious about the acceptance of outsiders as "true" citizens.. Anybody familiar w US culture can see people marching in parades proud to be..Irish,Italian,German and then right after the parade is over they put on their mixed message tea bag t-shirt and go out and protest against Mexicans.
 
fatandfast said:
This is to any Aussie's . In the US we are getting Aussie news that consists of: because of the growing economy w an emphasis on mining you are going to have a big labor shortage. It's being painted that w India and China needing so much material that mining/oil/gas will create huge cash reserves that will last for@ 20 years or more as long as those 2 important buyers keep ordering boat loads of alum and copper. Are regular Aussie's anti immigration? Is the Big Australia immigration policy dead? I have seen pro immigration attitudes implode in 3 or 4 places I have lived. Just curious about the acceptance of outsiders as "true" citizens.. Anybody familiar w US culture can see people marching in parades proud to be..Irish,Italian,German and then right after the parade is over they put on their mixed message tea bag t-shirt and go out and protest against Mexicans.

don't forget about those damn Okies. we eat our own too. politicians like to divide and conquer with fear. mass media does too. right now Mexicans are easy targets. a load of bullsh-t for sure.
 
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fatandfast said:
This is to any Aussie's . In the US we are getting Aussie news that consists of: because of the growing economy w an emphasis on mining you are going to have a big labor shortage. It's being painted that w India and China needing so much material that mining/oil/gas will create huge cash reserves that will last for@ 20 years or more as long as those 2 important buyers keep ordering boat loads of alum and copper. Are regular Aussie's anti immigration? Is the Big Australia immigration policy dead? I have seen pro immigration attitudes implode in 3 or 4 places I have lived. Just curious about the acceptance of outsiders as "true" citizens.. Anybody familiar w US culture can see people marching in parades proud to be..Irish,Italian,German and then right after the parade is over they put on their mixed message tea bag t-shirt and go out and protest against Mexicans.

We aren't against immagration but people smuggling. it is stupid to be letting so man more people in when the environment can't cope with the current population we already have the little water we have. The election on Saturday should sort things out about what will happen with immigration. That is one of the things i will be basing my vote on though I have always supported the one side.
 
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This is to any Aussie's . In the US we are getting Aussie news that consists of: because of the growing economy w an emphasis on mining you are going to have a big labor shortage. It's being painted that w India and China needing so much material that mining/oil/gas will create huge cash reserves that will last for@ 20 years or more as long as those 2 important buyers keep ordering boat loads of alum and copper. Are regular Aussie's anti immigration? Is the Big Australia immigration policy dead? I have seen pro immigration attitudes implode in 3 or 4 places I have lived. Just curious about the acceptance of outsiders as "true" citizens.. Anybody familiar w US culture can see people marching in parades proud to be..Irish,Italian,German and then right after the parade is over they put on their mixed message tea bag t-shirt and go out and protest against Mexicans.

Big Australia has been dead for at least 40 years I think (or maybe even since Stanley Bruce). The previous Prime Minister thought it was a good idea, but he got shafted by his own party. There is definitely a growing sense amongst the public that our cities can't cope with more people. Poor planning and infrastructure combined with solid population growth is hurting the cities. Australia is unique in that ~90% of the population is in ~15% of the land (no idea what the numbers are but it's something like that), the coastal plains around the capital cities with a few significant regional centers.

So any "Big Australia" policy is much more than immigration and labour. Where I live there's just no way we can continue with population growth and the ridiculous sprawl (basically just residential suburbia for 100km x 30km ) in terms of building a sustainable city and keeping living costs low/amenities high.

Current and future immigration policy is basically a controlled quota of "skilled migrants" which basically means stealing well qualified doctors, engineers etc rather than bringing masses in to meet labour demands. Immigration debate here this decade has always been dominated by the pseudo-issue of illegal immigrants or those seeking asylum. As a result there are negative connotations whenever immigration is mentioned.

Australia is in the unique position for an OECD country because of our natural resource wealth and strong exports. At the moment though there is a severe lack of foresight in terms of being able to ride the mining boom for a decade or three whilst at the same time carefully plotting the inevitable transition to a point where services rule alone without Mining and Agriculture.

Australians are definitely xenophobic as a collective, I admit to having a bit of xenophobia lingering in my subconscious. I would say I'm pro-immigration, but I'm also pro-gressive, I don't think you can have one without the other.
 
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Big Australia has been dead for at least 40 years I think (or maybe even since Stanley Bruce). The previous Prime Minister thought it was a good idea, but he got shafted by his own party. There is definitely a growing sense amongst the public that our cities can't cope with more people. Poor planning and infrastructure combined with solid population growth is hurting the cities. Australia is unique in that ~90% of the population is in ~15% of the land (no idea what the numbers are but it's something like that), the coastal plains around the capital cities with a few significant regional centers.

So any "Big Australia" policy is much more than immigration and labour. Where I live there's just no way we can continue with population growth and the ridiculous sprawl (basically just residential suburbia for 100km x 30km ) in terms of building a sustainable city and keeping living costs low/amenities high.

Current and future immigration policy is basically a controlled quota of "skilled migrants" which basically means stealing well qualified doctors, engineers etc rather than bringing masses in to meet labour demands. Immigration debate here this decade has always been dominated by the pseudo-issue of illegal immigrants or those seeking asylum. As a result there are negative connotations whenever immigration is mentioned.

Australia is in the unique position for an OECD country because of our natural resource wealth and strong exports. At the moment though there is a severe lack of foresight in terms of being able to ride the mining boom for a decade or three whilst at the same time carefully plotting the inevitable transition to a point where services rule alone without Mining and Agriculture.

Australians are definitely xenophobic as a collective, I admit to having a bit of xenophobia lingering in my subconscious. I would say I'm pro-immigration, but I'm also pro-gressive, I don't think you can have one without the other.

A solid and very interesting analysis. I have always admired what I see as Australia's strong idea of itself and its sense of direction. I feel that Britain, my country that I chose to leave, does too much short-termism and 'muddling through'.

Your notes of concern caught my eye.

Britain of course represents reliance on the service industry in extremis and there are lessons there for any nation that cares to take a look at the unenviable position that Britain now faces.

I was curious too that Australia has the same problem with immigration having become a PC hot potato. I was rather surprised about that, based on my experience of Australian spade-calling. Britain still seems unable to grasp the nettle, especially when it's much easier to draw on perceptions of the 'porous borders' and 'cheap labour' of the EU than have a mature and responsible debate about it.
 
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Yes I would like to keep the skilled immigrants who come over here to have an education to stay here, but the funny thing is that these overseas "immigrants" take up the spots of actual australians citizens in our universities and then take their skills gained from our universities back to their country and do not become permanent immigrants. That's why we also should be cautious of letting more people into our country even if they are only going to be here temporarily.

Sorry, understand I went a little off ferminal's point but it is kinda to do with what he/she is saying.

Ferminal, it is not just your area where you live where it is getting crowded. It is every city.
 
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