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Larry Craig was the "wide stance" guy. Republican Senator from Idaho. Amazingly, even after other men came out and said they had sex with him, he continued to deny and remained in office until the end of his term.

redtreviso said:
Luana Merle, 51, began insulting the ethnicity of another shopper...telling her to “go back to her own country,”

Republican, Democrat, bah. Now, if she were a Native American screaming at white people, I could understand that. AIM needs to re-unite!

Glenn_Wilson said:
That Iraq surge did work.

Depends on how one defines "work". As no goal was ever truly defined for not only the surge, but the war(s), just loose descriptions, quantifying any sort of success is essentially impossible. This is why "Mission Accomplished" was in some ways true.

Same thing going on with Libya. No hard defined goal. No exit strategy. This allows Obama to declare the set-up of multi-national troops on the ground and US jets flying over a "victory", even if Qaddafi remains in power and keeps his own people living in penury through oppression.

When you build your skyscraper in quicksand, as long as you keep building floors above, no matter how many below are sucked into the muck, you can always say you're ahead of the game and making progress.

I'm telling you guys, you want to really know global military power and the government, read Andrew Bacevich's book. Or some of the interviews with him. With Bill Moyers on PBS, 27 minutes. Or interview with Lawerence Velvel, over 1 hour.
 
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One person can wreck democracy..It won't take but a few Katherine Harris' for Sarah Palin to win in 2012 with NINTY FIVE PERCENT. The NRA would be completely silent of course..

""An extraordinary development in the Wisconsin state Supreme Court election: The county clerk for conservative Waukesha County has reported that she neglected to include 14,000 votes from the town of Brookfield in the totals she sent to the Associated Press Tuesday night. The new numbers reportedly give conservative incumbent David Prosser a net gain of 7,582 additional votes, decisively swinging the race in his favor. At a press conference Thursday afternoon, the Waukesha county clerk, a Republican, reported that the votes for Brookfield had not been "saved in the computer."

Further complicating the story, the clerk in question, Kathy Nickolaus, a former computer specialist, received flak last summer for her idiosyncratic approach to collecting and maintaining election data. And in 2002, during a criminal investigation into illegal campaigning on state time," while running for the office of Waukesha county clerk, Nickolaus was granted immunity from prosecution, for reasons that are unclear at this writing.'""
 
Alpe d'Huez said:
Larry Craig was the "wide stance" guy. Republican Senator from Idaho. Amazingly, even after other men came out and said they had sex with him, he continued to deny and remained in office until the end of his term.



Republican, Democrat, bah. Now, if she were a Native American screaming at white people, I could understand that. AIM needs to re-unite!



Depends on how one defines "work". As no goal was ever truly defined for not only the surge, but the war(s), just loose descriptions, quantifying any sort of success is essentially impossible. This is why "Mission Accomplished" was in some ways true.

Same thing going on with Libya. No hard defined goal. No exit strategy. This allows Obama to declare the set-up of multi-national troops on the ground and US jets flying over a "victory", even if Qaddafi remains in power and keeps his own people living in penury through oppression.

When you build your skyscraper in quicksand, as long as you keep building floors above, no matter how many below are sucked into the muck, you can always say you're ahead of the game and making progress.

I'm telling you guys, you want to really know global military power and the government, read Andrew Bacevich's book. Or some of the interviews with him. With Bill Moyers on PBS, 27 minutes. Or interview with Lawerence Velvel, over 1 hour.

Mission accomplished was, of course, in reference to making Saddam fall, to then be able to set up a puppet government, guided by our interests, which would then be passed off as "democracy" to all the idiots.

We could not (ever) have cared a damn about democracy, or humanitarianism. It was all about oil, just an ideological war fought for oil, in the interests of a few ideologues and major multinationals.

The truly perverse thing is that, while the country sinks further into debt, there are a few private businesses (hired "security" firms, really a euphemism for mercenaries) and industries that have made a killing (among the slaughter) in all of this business, which is what it should really be called, not war, but business, for which there can be no clear exit strategy.

Then, because of this business, which they have passed of for America's wars, we end up squabbling over "when its ok to intervene" and "when it isn't". Because when it's just about business, and not war, and thus not about stopping a mad dictator from bombing his people as in Libya for instance, then we are forced to make calculated decisions about the monetary concerns and about the prudence of our financial commitment, and what we are really fighting for (when such was not too much of a concern when we invaded Mesopotamia, because we had false alibis and a manipulated public sentiment) and all the rest; but never about the humanitarian issues that the destitute and weak are really living on their skins, in part because of the West's business and governmental praxis in the region.

I have mentioned previously the immigration crisis in Italy, from North Africa, by way of Lampedusa. Yesterday some 250 people, many women and children, drowned about two K from the island's coast when their boat capsized. Due to all the strife, not only in the Maghreb, but throughout Africa as a whole, it's already certain that in the next several years there will be a continuous emergency with immigration in the Mediterranean. While it is Utopian to think that the phenomenon can be arrested only with increased policing efforts, even less with treaties, as the xenophobic right wing governments believe, when the root problems of tyranny and poverty continue in Africa. Rather it's possible to alleviate it only by working on how these people can live in a more dignified way in their countries of origin, but this implies that we must find a way to help the Africans, as a whole, become less poor and a bit wealthier (and not just a few dictators we support or tolerate, because economically and socially convenient). We shouldn't forget that amidst the total indifference to many regions of the continent on the part of the international community, millions (over 50) of hectares of fertile land is being expropriated to foreign states with the connivance of local governments. It happens in Ethiopia, Ghana, Mali, the Sudan: land is being conceded for 20, 30, even 90, years to countries like China and Korea to produce commodities, above all bio-fuel, that does little to nothing for the local well-being. Land is the most precious thing the Africans have, the key to their development, and yet there is a continuous intensification of this "land grabbing", for which we have constrained them towards commodities growth of single products like cotton, coffee and cocoa, which is then followed by speculation on their base values at the world's financial markets that invariably conducts the Africans to desperation and flight, when all that wealth has been stripped form them.

We say with words we want to help the Africans, but by the facts of our actions we constrain them to flee.

Now with the current state also in the Maghreb, the boiling pot is on the verge of exploding. And once again, the rest of the world argues about what should be done, when it has been all too obvious for years what should have been done.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Same thing going on with Libya. No hard defined goal. No exit strategy. This allows Obama to declare the set-up of multi-national troops on the ground and US jets flying over a "victory", even if Qaddafi remains in power and keeps his own people living in penury through oppression.

The could have a plane circle above Tripoli with a 'Mission Accomplished' banner for a few hours and call the whole thing quits. The public and media would gobble it up.
 
Wonder where SoCal Scott is on this? I think even he must realize what the entire Middle Eastern War has become.

They could do that Cobblestones, but they could also do what Jesse Ventura and Ron Paul seperately said: We marched right in, we can turn around and march right out. That would really be accomplishing something.

Anyone want to take bets on the US military getting involved in Syria?
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Wonder where SoCal Scott is on this? I think even he must realize what the entire Middle Eastern War has become.

They could do that Cobblestones, but they could also do what Jesse Ventura and Ron Paul seperately said: We marched right in, we can turn around and march right out. That would really be accomplishing something.

Anyone want to take bets on the US military getting involved in Syria?

Scott is in belgium doing the cobbles..You know..those conservative approved kind of adventures(NOT)
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Anyone want to take bets on the US military getting involved in Syria?

Zero to none.

While Gaddafi was a universally despised dictator, Assad has a lot of clout in the region (as his father had). Also, with a democratization of Syria, Israel might get pressured to return the Golan heights.
 
Let's hope. I did choose my wording carefully though, I said "get involved".

Minor props to the Pres and Congress for avoiding a shutdown. Still, they were squabbling over less than 1% of the budget, when so much more work needs to be done for the future.
 
Cobblestones said:
Zero to none.

While Gaddafi was a universally despised dictator, Assad has a lot of clout in the region (as his father had). Also, with a democratization of Syria, Israel might get pressured to return the Golan heights.

Indeed, and this is the same reason we won't get "involved" in Iran either. We only pick fights we know we can "win" in such a way, as to not cause too much collateral damage.

It is at once interesting and sad to note that all of this allows us to see just how much the governments of the Western democracies have become totally conditioned by the discussion in course (just look at the nuclear debates), regarding the great questions and doubts over future energy concerns (which is divided by many countries even beyond the West). These governments (democratic) have demonstrated a great permeability towards price speculation, just as they have towards the most opaque forms of lobbyism. They are, I would say structurally, governments of business, not by chance in many cases made up of men who came directly from the business sector or, in the case of Italy, incarnated by a construction and mass media magnate, who is greatly fatigued to distinguish between his private business interests and those of the public's (like Cheney was, to cite just another example).

But to get back to all these wars for energy, there is a huge question that none of these governments are willing to pose to the public because it runs counter to the interests of the plutocrats, and it is a question on a planetary scale that is as gigantic as it is semi-hidden: namely, where is this exponential request for energy taking civilization? In the sense that we don't talk much about, for example, energy waste, or how this colossal increase in the demand for energy should make us reflect on our very way of life. With this in mind I came across a letter written to journalist Michele Serra in La Vernerdì magazine of the La Repubblica daily, which I though worthy of passing along:

The Tools of the Native Americans and the Mental Health of the West

Dear Serra,
Among the most interesting economic arguments that we can dwell upon is the one regarding the opulent society discussed by the Canadian economist Galbraith. This type of society, which has a capitalist imprint, considers consumption as a phase of production. For this the author considers irrational one of the principle elements of such a society: the efficiency of production. A type of production is considered efficient when it satisfies the needs of demand that are created independently from the same production. Yet often this doesn’t happen. The business of production and sales doesn't satisfy demands that have been autonomously generated, but this business praxis creates them through its actual production, with the objective of making more profits. In other words, business preys upon "needs" which in reality were created by production, and not something innate to the public's necessities, which they have far exceeded.

The outlines of our society's image profile are opulent and full of waste. More importance should be given to consumption that is confined to our basic needs, because in this present way of life of conspicuous consumption the individual tends to move towards being submerged in a sea of superficiality without ever considering what his basic needs really are.


Francesco Buccaro, Napoli

I will only add a few words. The synthesis that Buccaro makes of Galbraith is empirically verifiable. Try for yourself to distinguish between needs that are "inborn" and needs that are solicited by all the commercial publicity, or by social emulation and I bet you'll find yourself in difficulty. A few years ago an American artist realized the following installation: he put on a lawn the objects used by a native american (circa 30 in all) and next to it, those of a modern American family (nearly 10,000). Now I will exclude that either you or I would be able to live like a Cherokee of 200 years ago, however the disproportionate relationship between 30 and 10,000 makes me have doubts about our mental health.
 
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rhubroma said:
Indeed, and this is the same reason we won't get "involved" in Iran either. We only pick fights we know we can "win" in such a way, as to not cause too much collateral damage.

It is at once interesting and sad to note that all of this....[/B]

...before I start on this I have to apologize for trying to reduce a very complex story into a few bullet points...this could become a train-wreck...

..there is an old saying that my mom would use to help her growing boy keep things into perspective....money makes you stupid....what she was saying was that money, which is one of the main ingredients in the modern world driven as it is by a market defined reality, is ultimately a real dumb prism thru which to view life...

...find below a quote that I ran into recently...
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•Between 1948 and 1979, the richest 10 percent of families in the US claimed 33 percent of average income growth. Between 2000 and 2007, the richest 10 percent claimed a full 100 percent of average income growth in the US, according to the Economic Policy Institute

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...now granted the quote is kinda awkward but what it means is that over the last few years all of the wealth, created by the greatest economic engine that the world has ever seen, has accrued to a very small portion of the people who operate that engine...that movement has created a great deal of misery to both the people who actually created the wealth, that is, the workers, and the planet, which ultimately, is the source of all of our wealth...so why do it and why maintain a system that allows something like that...

...this accumulation of wealth by a very few is usually explained as simply an example of the magic of the market-place ( funny how the term magic is often used to explain something that is also sold as cold hard facts...you know those things that delusional socialists, tree huggers, peace lovers just don't get...but I digress...)....but the question is why do you need that much wealth...why do you need some obscene amount of stuff ....

...I guess that following the power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely theme that it may be the while money makes you stupid, absolute money makes you crazy...you become so defined by what is, in the final analysis a hopelessly objectified view of reality that you lose the ability to understand what is actually and absolutely real....you become alienated from from anything that has the slightest hint of humanity and you need to fill the gap between what you have become and what you should be...you end up just tossing stuff into that gap and the more you have bought into that money driven market defined reality the bigger the gap is and the more money you need, because to be real in your reality the only reality is money and the stuff it can buy...unfortunately the whole thing is just a theory that only has a tangential grounding in real reality( as all theories are ) and if you continue to confuse the map( theory ) with the territory ( real reality aka nature) you are really going to get lost and go crazy...

...our problem as a species is that the folks driving the bus are looking at a map that is hopelessly out of date and are usually being distracted by the need to shine all of their shiny baubles...

...gotta run...reality calls...its Saturday and Head Office has a huge to-do list...

Cheers

blutto
 
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Glenn_Wilson said:
your full of ****. That Iraq surge did work. Keep dreaming and hiding behind your own lack of a legit opinion.

Hi Glenn, nice to meet you. I have changed my position because you make a very good point. It was your detailed, irrefutable analysis in the second part of your post that did me in...

I am also glad that someone finally dusted off the ad hominem, which is an undervalued and underused rhetorical device on forums.
 
Alpe d'Huez said:
Let's hope. I did choose my wording carefully though, I said "get involved".

Minor props to the Pres and Congress for avoiding a shutdown. Still, they were squabbling over less than 1% of the budget, when so much more work needs to be done for the future.

Unfortunately the number 1 change which needs to occur for the future to improve, the enactment of some sort of way of insuring that wealth is distibuted in a more equitable way, will never happen as long as Congress members need that next round of big money donations in order to get reelected.
 
blutto said:
...before I start on this I have to apologize for trying to reduce a very complex story into a few bullet points...this could become a train-wreck...

This is why, already in the XIX century, in the West there was a longing to return to nature, to the savage and to escape so called civilization among the bohemians and artists of that era.

Gauguin wound up in the tropical paradise of Tahiti, among the so called primitives, and spent the last years of his career painting the sensual women in their passionately colored wraps, with whom he often made love. At times it takes returning to nature, to the primitive, that reminds us of what is truly essential in life.

Only in our industrialized and capitalist world of the market, could such a longing for escape, for catharsis, arrive at so high a level of artistic expression. It's the only solace I find in this materialist existence which our way of life has imposed upon us.

Gauguin and his generation reminds us that we always have the option to rebel.
 
Hugh Januss said:
Unfortunately...will never happen as long as Congress members need that next round of big money donations in order to get reelected.

Agree completely.

As anyone can see by looking at a federal spending pie chart, the money isn't in things like National Parks or contraceptives, that Congress is squabbling over. It's in Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and Defense, or taxes. But those were hardly addressed at all. This coming session some in the GOP will look to do what they have done for decades, simply cutting Medicare or Medicaid or privatizing it, and they won't touch Defense. The Democrats will resist this, and little to nothing will get done. They will then blame each other, and use this as fuel to get re-elected.
 
Alpe d'Huez said:
Agree completely.

As anyone can see by looking at a federal spending pie chart, the money isn't in things like National Parks or contraceptives, that Congress is squabbling over. It's in Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and Defense, or taxes. But those were hardly addressed at all. This coming session some in the GOP will look to do what they have done for decades, simply cutting Medicare or Medicaid or privatizing it, and they won't touch Defense. The Democrats will resist this, and little to nothing will get done. They will then blame each other, and use this as fuel to get re-elected.

Until they cut Corporate and rich guy entitlement programs no amount of slicing away at Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, Planned Parenthood or any other "handouts" is gonna right the ship.
I want GE's tax lawyers, hell I sell nonpoluting transportation devices, I shouldn't have to pay any taxes either.
 
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Glenn_Wilson said:
GE is one of many companies who are avoiding their share of taxes. Zug Switzerland is the home to many USA companies who are sheltering their money.

I wonder how much legal work our court system processes for GE at taxpayer's expense.
 
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Bala Verde said:
Hi Glenn, nice to meet you. I have changed my position because you make a very good point. It was your detailed, irrefutable analysis in the second part of your post that did me in...

I am also glad that someone finally dusted off the ad hominem, which is an undervalued and underused rhetorical device on forums.

Hey Young Green I think we have meet before.;)

I am happy you changed your position based on my excellent use of the ad hominem. Honestly I owe you an apology because I should have added some smiles and winks. That post was made using a completely intolerant point of view. I should have explained further but I was to busy being a smart azzzzz.:)

Seriously I was just trying to stir something up and my post came across to personal and I apologize for that.
 
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