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Glenn_Wilson said:
Everyone who goes against your perception of norm is drinking alcohol?

Back to FoxNews NOOBLARS. :D

No but making a run on ammunition?? I'm just giving the benefit of the doubt that they drink too much and are not mentally ill or just plain stupid.
 
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redtreviso said:
No but making a run on ammunition?? I'm just giving the benefit of the doubt that they drink too much and are not mentally ill or just plain stupid.

people were convinced that obama was "takin their guns." it was a scream.
 
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redtreviso said:
No but making a run on ammunition?? I'm just giving the benefit of the doubt that they drink too much and are not mentally ill or just plain stupid.

When President Obama took office there was a certain portion (large portion) of the US population who were convinced by emails and other PROPOgandI that President Obama would go after Assault Weapon and other types of weapon ammunition. What happened was a Giant RUN on all ammunition sellers. I thought you watched FoxNews? They covered it I am sure maybe they even added to the hype. Stupid is probably very close to home for some of them.
 
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Glenn_Wilson said:
When President Obama took office there was a certain portion (large portion) of the US population who were convinced by emails and other PROPOgandI that President Obama would go after Assault Weapon and other types of weapon ammunition. What happened was a Giant RUN on all ammunition sellers. I thought you watched FoxNews? They covered it I am sure maybe they even added to the hype. Stupid is probably very close to home for some of them.

I NEVER watch foxnews..ever ever ever ...There are some sites..one says "we watch so you don't have to" that pretty well sums up my exposure. well except that my stupid neighbors only watch fox..
 
patricknd said:
people were convinced that obama was "takin their guns." it was a scream.

I had a hard time seeing the humor in that response (and I think I can find some humor in almost anything) to me it was more a chilling realization that I share a country with people like that. I think inbred might be a better explanation than alcoholic.
 
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Hugh Januss said:
I had a hard time seeing the humor in that response (and I think I can find some humor in almost anything) to me it was more a chilling realization that I share a country with people like that. I think inbred might be a better explanation than alcoholic.

Mental Illness pretty well covers it..whether it be inbreeding or exposure to solvents(legal or industrial)..
 
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Hugh Januss said:
I had a hard time seeing the humor in that response (and I think I can find some humor in almost anything) to me it was more a chilling realization that I share a country with people like that. I think inbred might be a better explanation than alcoholic.

i think it's part and parcel of who we are now. why find out for yourself the position that any candidate actually takes on a given issue when you can get the condensed version online and in your email. we live in a world of sound bite campaigns, style over substance, so is it any surprise that people react in the way that they did when obama was elected? runs on guns and ammo on the one hand, blind support because of his race and party on the other, and both based on very little actual knowledge of the man and his agenda.
i find it chilling as well, but i think it's based less on alcoholism or inbreeding and more on laziness and short attention span, and in my opinion, those are poorer excuses.
 
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patricknd said:
i think it's part and parcel of who we are now. why find out for yourself the position that any candidate actually takes on a given issue when you can get the condensed version online and in your email. we live in a world of sound bite campaigns, style over substance, so is it any surprise that people react in the way that they did when obama was elected? runs on guns and ammo on the one hand, blind support because of his race and party on the other, and both based on very little actual knowledge of the man and his agenda.
i find it chilling as well, but i think it's based less on alcoholism or inbreeding and more on laziness and short attention span, and in my opinion, those are poorer excuses.

Seriously??? You really find those two things comparable?
 
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redtreviso said:
Seriously??? You really find those two things comparable?

yes i do, when, as i said, they're based on a lack of any real knowledge of the candidate and his stance on issues.
 
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patricknd said:
yes i do, when, as i said, they're based on a lack of any real knowledge of the candidate and his stance on issues.

Not me.. the guns thing is purely pathologic, violent paranoia. Blind support (for Obama)by party and race might be very well wishful thinking but it isn't delusional.. OTOH blind loyalty and support for ANY white candidate over a non white is stupidity.."Just can't go there..
We're just not ready for that idea.."

You know..kinda *** like You voting for Bush because he's a Texas Rancher..LOL

or NASCAR fans being fans of drivers.. 40 52 87 and 24 because they Christians..as opposed to all those jewish and hindu NASCAR drivers.. eh??
 
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Hugh Januss said:
So would I. Am I to understand then that it is your position that it's better to stand still than to take a first step?

HJ, I don't effing care. Take whatever step you effing want. Make sure to insulate all the democrats and expose all the republican donors.

It really can't get any worse. We are circling the toilet and this is what you want to do. Go for it man. You have my absolute approval.
 
redtreviso said:
Not me.. the guns thing is purely pathologic, violent paranoia. Blind support (for Obama)by party and race might be very well wishful thinking but it isn't delusional.. OTOH blind loyalty and support for ANY white candidate over a non white is stupidity.."Just can't go there..
We're just not ready for that idea.."

Agree with the first two points, but I think we have gotten past the point of blind loyalty for any white candidate over a non white candidate, just not for president.
 
Scott SoCal said:
HJ, I don't effing care. Take whatever step you effing want. Make sure to insulate all the democrats and expose all the republican donors.

It really can't get any worse. We are circling the toilet and this is what you want to do. Go for it man. You have my absolute approval.

OK, we have the approval of the head turd, let's go for it.;)
 
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Scott SoCal said:
HJ, I don't effing care. Take whatever step you effing want. Make sure to insulate all the democrats and expose all the republican donors.

It really can't get any worse. We are circling the toilet and this is what you want to do. Go for it man. You have my absolute approval.

Phil Gramm loves you scott..
 
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Hugh Januss said:
OK, we have the approval of the head turd, let's go for it.;)

This from the guy who only hates right wing corruption. Everything else is :cool:
 
Scott - Thanks for answering my questions.

Scott SoCal said:
Just reading the article. Why name only "would be federal contractors?"

That's suspicious and smacks of politics as usual.

So we should just kill the idea, and keep things as usual? I know you don't favor that.

In in favor of making lobbying only possible in an open forum, such as during town hall meetings. Lobbyists can stand there with the rest of us and ask questions and make suggestions to politicians. Private lobbying, as we know it today - lobbyists using money to buy access to politicians - would be a felony.

Scott SoCal said:
Obamacare is a total disaster and will create another $1 Trillion entitlement. We can fix our problems with healthcare but it will involve less government, not more.
"Obamacare" has hardly taken effect, how can you call it a total disaster? Research numbers are all over the board on this, certainly when compared to the disaster we already have in this country.

What are your suggestions? There is no way we can sustain what we are doing. Costs are way outpacing inflation, let alone wages, and benefits are being cut, and eliminated every day.

I suggest a single payer system, that is rationed to cover basic needs, preventive, and catastrophic, coupled with health savings accounts to pay for most other care. You need more than that, buy supplemental insurance.

I also suggest that Congress no longer gets health care, but must be put into a group plan. Or we can just give them a voucher.

The future rate of Medicare spending is pretty scary but Ryan's approach probably won't work. It appears as though it will raise costs significantly above what's projected and possible raise insurance costs for everyone by dumping seniors (in large numbers) in the insurance pool.

Agree. I favor means testing of Medicare, if we are not going to adopt my system from above. Haggling about the numbers where means testing would take effect can be debated, perhaps on a state-by-state basis.

If my rationed single-payer plan with HSA's were adopted, everyone would be covered for the most part, and Medicare and Medicaid would be phased out.

I don't like the tax idea either. I think the tax code should be scrapped. All deductions should be eliminated and two or three brackets established. Part of the problems business and individuals face is not know what they will have to pay in taxes year over year. For business, it makes it nearly impossible to plan. So in this case, Ryan does not get it right.
Agree with you almost completely. The only difference probably between us in taxes is that I think there needs to be a very high bracket that pays more. And I think deductions for primary residency and education may be worth keeping. I also think capital gains tax should be better split between hoarders and true venture capitalists. But I imagine if you and I were in the Senate, we could write a compromise bill within hours that is better than the entire tax code morass of today.

I reserve the right to change my mind as I continue to go through this...
Which makes sense.
 
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redtreviso said:
Not me.. the guns thing is purely pathologic, violent paranoia. Blind support (for Obama)by party and race might be very well wishful thinking but it isn't delusional.. OTOH blind loyalty and support for ANY white candidate over a non white is stupidity.."Just can't go there..
We're just not ready for that idea.."

You know..kinda *** like You voting for Bush because he's a Texas Rancher..LOL

or NASCAR fans being fans of drivers.. 40 52 87 and 24 because they Christians..as opposed to all those jewish and hindu NASCAR drivers.. eh??

I'm shocked, no Jewish or Hindu nascar drivers, who knew? :D

I really don't think it's paranoia on the gun thing, I think it's purely ignorance. Guess we disagree on that one.

I'm never in favor of blind loyalty. I've never pulled a straight ticket and doubt i ever will. Too many idiots in both parties on the ballot, and i take my civic duty more seriously than that. If i can't do a few hours of reading i don't deserve to vote.
 
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patricknd said:
I'm shocked, no Jewish or Hindu nascar drivers, who knew? :D

I really don't think it's paranoia on the gun thing, I think it's purely ignorance. Guess we disagree on that one.

I'm never in favor of blind loyalty. I've never pulled a straight ticket and doubt i ever will. Too many idiots in both parties on the ballot, and i take my civic duty more seriously than that. If i can't do a few hours of reading i don't deserve to vote.
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well there didn't used to be "libertarians" running. Like voting for a racist instead of a Klansman.. Your civic duty my a
 
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redtreviso said:
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well there didn't used to be "libertarians" running. Like voting for a racist instead of a Klansman.. Your civic duty my a

I go to jury duty as well. Some of us take our responsibilities seriously.
 
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Scott - Thanks for answering my questions.



So we should just kill the idea, and keep things as usual? I know you don't favor that.

In in favor of making lobbying only possible in an open forum, such as during town hall meetings. Lobbyists can stand there with the rest of us and ask questions and make suggestions to politicians. Private lobbying, as we know it today - lobbyists using money to buy access to politicians - would be a felony.


"Obamacare" has hardly taken effect, how can you call it a total disaster? Research numbers are all over the board on this, certainly when compared to the disaster we already have in this country.

What are your suggestions? There is no way we can sustain what we are doing. Costs are way outpacing inflation, let alone wages, and benefits are being cut, and eliminated every day.

I suggest a single payer system, that is rationed to cover basic needs, preventive, and catastrophic, coupled with health savings accounts to pay for most other care. You need more than that, buy supplemental insurance.

I also suggest that Congress no longer gets health care, but must be put into a group plan. Or we can just give them a voucher.



Agree. I favor means testing of Medicare, if we are not going to adopt my system from above. Haggling about the numbers where means testing would take effect can be debated, perhaps on a state-by-state basis.

If my rationed single-payer plan with HSA's were adopted, everyone would be covered for the most part, and Medicare and Medicaid would be phased out.


Agree with you almost completely. The only difference probably between us in taxes is that I think there needs to be a very high bracket that pays more. And I think deductions for primary residency and education may be worth keeping. I also think capital gains tax should be better split between hoarders and true venture capitalists. But I imagine if you and I were in the Senate, we could write a compromise bill within hours that is better than the entire tax code morass of today.


Which makes sense.



So we should just kill the idea, and keep things as usual? I know you don't favor that.

In in favor of making lobbying only possible in an open forum, such as during town hall meetings. Lobbyists can stand there with the rest of us and ask questions and make suggestions to politicians. Private lobbying, as we know it today - lobbyists using money to buy access to politicians - would be a felony.

Why do it piecemeal? Why go at this huge issue in a partisan fashion? Have we not had enough of this?

"Obamacare" has hardly taken effect, how can you call it a total disaster? Research numbers are all over the board on this, certainly when compared to the disaster we already have in this country.

What are your suggestions? There is no way we can sustain what we are doing. Costs are way outpacing inflation, let alone wages, and benefits are being cut, and eliminated every day.

I suggest a single payer system, that is rationed to cover basic needs, preventive, and catastrophic, coupled with health savings accounts to pay for most other care. You need more than that, buy supplemental insurance.

I also suggest that Congress no longer gets health care, but must be put into a group plan. Or we can just give them a voucher.

I assume part of what you don't like about the Ryan plan is how it guts Medicare. Have you looked at what the Obama plan does?

Single payer will result in a decline in care combined with a rise in cost. Govt health care does not work on a scale of 330,000,000. Obama was never serious about fixing the ills of our system. He wants incremental steps to single payer (payor??). The left is convinced this is a right. The right is convinced this is all about control. Like with most things public, everyone will get care, it just won't be very good. Look no further than education.

We can go after cost but some unpleasant realities surface. Trial lawyers will get clipped and they support democrats by and large. Innovation will also get clipped so don't look for big pharma to spend big money on R&D... Techniques and tools as well... this kind of stuff will not be developed in the future because there will be exactly zero economic incentive for the government to spend money on an uncertainty:

http://www.journalstandard.com/features/x528727338/High-touch-meets-high-tech-Da-Vinci-surgery-program-offers-quick-recovery

If the standard is everyone is entitled to care then the level of care for everyone will be reduced. My feeling is tax supported insurance for those who really can't afford it. I mean, as a nation we could insure everybody for much less than a Trillion dollars (and I don't support this BTW).
 
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patricknd said:
I go to jury duty as well. Some of us take our responsibilities seriously.

wow..really? You're a f real American..That's just f exceptional...Your family and friends must cower in the f presence of YOU..
 
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patricknd said:
It's killing you, isn't it? :D

Your uniqueness is astounding..You probably have a bigger flag than your neighbor does.


I got out of Jury duty one time by purposely concentrating on the ADA's breasts when she talked to me..
 
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redtreviso said:
Your uniqueness is astounding..You probably have a bigger flag than your neighbor does.


I got out of Jury duty one time by purposely concentrating on the ADA's breasts when she talked to me..

Pig.........
 
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