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Well, Pelosi isn't running for President. And as I've said before, just pointing out someone, or some proposal, just as bad by comparison doesn't solve a single thing, or improve a single thing. It's like two kids step on dog crap before tracking it into the house, and when mom finds out they say the others' poop will stink worse.
 
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a kentucky dittohead tb writes..

""We have enough left-wing liberal rags helping to destroy our country,without needing U.K.s National Enquirer (guardian), poking their pinnoccio nose , in Americas business. We did,t save you Brits, when Hitler was at your gates, to have to put up with this bulls@@t ! If Sarah Palin was President, she would come to your aid instantly. Are you so sure Obama would? Does the word "Isreal" ring a bell. I hope our real British Allies, boycott the guardian, as we will, because they are pi##ing Americans off, which isn,t a good thing to do.""

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/wintour-and-watt/2011/jun/16/sarahpalin-margaretthatcher
 
But I have to admit the Brits do have a great sense of humor:

What Rush Limbaugh seems to fail to understand is that there isn't a single person in UK who gives a toss for anything he says or does. Although his ego seems to have been pumped up by the assorted oddballs of the US rabid right, he's a complete non-entity in Europe. Or at least he was until now - now he just seems like another 10-a-penny so-called "shock jock" that are generally so ludicrous we just laugh at them, if we pay them any heed at all. His description of Palin as "a major politician" will have had them rolling in the aisles across five continents. Half of her own party doesn't appear to consider her that, never mind anyone else.


Indeed it would help if conservative America realized how appallingly idiotic they will look globally if one such as Palin enters the White House. I shudder to think such a thought.

That they probably don't care only demonstrates how utterly backward and provincial they have become.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Well, Pelosi isn't running for President. And as I've said before, just pointing out someone, or some proposal, just as bad by comparison doesn't solve a single thing, or improve a single thing. It's like two kids step on dog crap before tracking it into the house, and when mom finds out they say the others' poop will stink worse.

So, during the end of her tenure as the most powerful lawmaker in the US her net worth skyrockets. During an economy that is sputtering to put it politely. Nary a wisper. Notta.

It seems the last place to get rich in the US isn't big business at all. It's big government.

How nice.
 
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Sure it is, we just need a revolution.

PS: Don't be scared, Scott, there won't be another one for at least 25 years, maybe longer. You can continue, therefore, with your retirement plans.

Naw. I'm spending my retirement today. My own little economic stimulus package.

No need to plan for retirement. Everyone knows being a ward of the State is the only way to fly.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
So, during the end of her tenure as the most powerful lawmaker in the US her net worth skyrockets. During an economy that is sputtering to put it politely. Nary a wisper. Notta.

It seems the last place to get rich in the US isn't big business at all. It's big government.

How nice.

You completely missed what I was saying, and kept right on going where you were. You and the others were discussing presidential candidates and their corruption. Instead of agreeing, or pointing out something from say Obama's fundraising, or, God forbid, you actually offered a suggestion on how to fix the problem or some sort of solution, you simply added to the pile by up Pelosi. Granted, she may be the absolute bottom of the barrel, but bringing her up accomplishes nothing. It would be as if I were to now retort something on Trent Lott or Tom DeLay just to prove there are bad Republicans too.

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It would help if conservative America realized how appallingly idiotic they will look globally if one such as Palin enters the White House. I shudder to think such a thought.

The woman is incredibly ignorant. She even recently believed that Africa is a country! It's depressing to think that an American university actually allowed this nitwit to graduate. She has about as much education as a bag of rocks. Just imagine her trying to run our country!

As bland and unoriginal Tim Pawlenty is, or as much of a flip-flopper Romney is, either would be much better nominee than she is. Thank goodness, at least for now, she isn't running.
 
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As bland and unoriginal Tim Pawlenty is, or as much of a flip-flopper Romney is, either would be much better nominee than she is. Thank goodness, at least for now, she isn't running.

Oh I'm afraid she will run and stands a very real chance of getting elected given our current political climate and the sheer number of idiots who live here.
Nothing scares me more.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
You completely missed what I was saying, and kept right on going where you were. You and the others were discussing presidential candidates and their corruption. Instead of agreeing, or pointing out something from say Obama's fundraising, or, God forbid, you actually offered a suggestion on how to fix the problem or some sort of solution, you simply added to the pile by up Pelosi. Granted, she may be the absolute bottom of the barrel, but bringing her up accomplishes nothing. It would be as if I were to now retort something on Trent Lott or Tom DeLay just to prove there are bad Republicans too.



The woman is incredibly ignorant. She even recently believed that Africa is a country! It's depressing to think that an American university actually allowed this nitwit to graduate. She has about as much education as a bag of rocks. Just imagine her trying to run our country!

As bland and unoriginal Tim Pawlenty is, or as much of a flip-flopper Romney is, either would be much better nominee than she is. Thank goodness, at least for now, she isn't running.

Really? A corrupt policy maker is the solution to many on this board and is so much better to a corrupt capitalist. Not irrelevant in my view, but we will probably disagree.

You say I don't propose solutions. Do you have me confused with someone else?
 
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Really? A corrupt policy maker is the solution to many on this board and is so much better to a corrupt capitalist. Not irrelevant in my view, but we will probably disagree.

You say I don't propose solutions. Do you have me confused with someone else?

umm... the actual speaker of the house these days is not Nancy Pelosi.

It is this drunk hero of yours scott

BoehnerJohnCrying1.jpg
 
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umm... the actual speaker of the house these days is not Nancy Pelosi.

If you had bothered to read the article you would have known her net worth dramatically increased while she was the speaker, hence the inclusion of the word policymaker.

But since you don't read, the rest of us get what we get.
 
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rhubroma said:
Yes but sick kids without coverage just die.

And thanks for the private healthcare propaganda.

Yes but sick kids without coverage just die.

Really? Show me.

And thanks for the private healthcare propaganda.

Yes, let's bash the source. Propaganda? The study is either true or untrue. If untrue it should be very easy to demonstrate. So, set me straight.
 
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If you had bothered to read the article you would have known her net worth dramatically increased while she was the speaker, hence the inclusion of the word policymaker.

But since you don't read, the rest of us get what we get.

Well why don't you check out if Boehner (speaker of the house) is in the news today,,,or is this really the reason you bring up Pelosi? and while you are at it check out Boehner's increase in net worth. Was it Pelosi who handed out checks from lobbyists on the house floor.. gee must have been.... right???????
Who is it that wants to talk about Pelosi today anyway..Surely not a parrot like you..Must be Cato or Heritage or Rush. Little scotty can be their bottle boy for the day.
 
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Really? A corrupt policy maker is the solution to many on this board and is so much better to a corrupt capitalist. Not irrelevant in my view, but we will probably disagree.

You say I don't propose solutions. Do you have me confused with someone else?

On this issue. The issue of corruption. I can't recall who they brought up as running for President who was corrupt in a discussion on the campaign, but in response you brought up Pelosi. To me, that's saying "your side is worse than mine". That's not a solution.

It wasn't the solution in the first place, as you say about corrupt policy maker vs corrupt capitalist, but my point is that no number of wrongs make a right.
 
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Well why don't you check out if Boehner (speaker of the house) is in the news today,,,or is this really the reason you bring up Pelosi? and while you are at it check out Boehner's increase in net worth. Was it Pelosi who handed out checks from lobbyists on the house floor.. gee must have been.... right???????
Who is it that wants to talk about Pelosi today anyway..Surely not a parrot like you..Must be Cato or Heritage or Rush. Little scotty can be their bottle boy for the day.

And you continue to prove my point. Big govt is corrupt yet is the only solution to every problem for you.

As for Boehner.... was this the headline you were referring to?

Boehner warns Congress could cut Libya funds

BTW, Boehner's net worth increased about 14%, from 1.8 to 2.1 million... as opposed to Pelosi's increase from 21.7 to 35.2 Million. 13.5 Million increase in a year. Good for her.
 
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The home mortgage scandal(s) has basically crushed small time lending. Small business in essence has very little access to capital except their own. It makes for slow growth... no surprise there.

I think Alpe has been floating his ideas of SBA mirco-loans.... in the tens of thousands to low hundreds of thousands of dollars for small enterprise. A good idea although I don't know why the regulatory rules could not be relaxed for this type of lending to open it up to other banking entities besides just the SBA.

You've pretty much got it.

SBA Microloans are for very small businesses looking for between about $5k and $50k, the average is $13k.

SBA Prime loans are similar, and for the smallest start-up or distressed business needing help (picture a hot dog stand).

How the program is supposed to work for example is like this: Picture our local hot dog stand owner. He has one employee who works two days a week. Business is slow, and he needs a new grill, but he's barely hanging on. He doesn't want to lay off the employee, and doesn't want the grill to die, so he goes to the bank and applies for a SBA loan. As you can guess, what's happening is that the bank is denying almost everyone, even businesses running with good credit, even though if they loaned this guy $13k and if he defaulted the government would absorb up to about $8k of that, the banks simply aren't making the loans.

The reasons why are beyond just regulation, though that is a part of it and rules for small loans could be completely relaxed. The problem is that almost all regulation is clumped together. This is what allowed banks to invest in derivatives like Vegas gamblers, and going back to that thinking isn't going to change this much. It's an issue of risk aversion, economic fears, and basic greed. In some ways you can't blame bankers.

Part of my solution, if you'll recall from several pages ago, is to couple this with unemployment insurance, so people who have a qualifying business idea - and some states already have SEA programs - and can't get a job (because there are so few) could use the unemployment coupled with a SBA Prime loan to start a tiny business (such as a hot dog stand). Even if they failed at the business it would put at least some productivity and growth into the economy, much more than them sitting around looking for jobs that aren't there collecting unemployment for months on end.

You can probably guess the next part. Both the President's economic proposal, plus the House' "Ryan" budget have large cuts to SBA loans, including elimination of the entire SBA Prime program. So what we're getting is stupid on top of stupid, from both parties.

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On this issue. The issue of corruption. I can't recall who they brought up as running for President who was corrupt in a discussion on the campaign, but in response you brought up Pelosi. To me, that's saying "your side is worse than mine". That's not a solution.

It wasn't the solution in the first place, as you say about corrupt policy maker vs corrupt capitalist, but my point is that no number of wrongs make a right.

I brought up Pelosi as a jam to HJ, who had jammed me with with the "Scott has a lifetime subscription to the 'big business running absolutely everything' " mantra.. All in good fun, of course:cool::rolleyes:

I'll talk about solutions with you. But watch what Red does... (just for fun).
 
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The Corporate tax rate is 35%. Companies like Cisco have over a Trillion dollars they have made conducting business in other countries (having already paid tax to the country where the profit was made) and refuse to bring those dollars back to the US.

I heard a proposal today.

Eliminate the corporate tax at least temporarily (2 years). EDIT: for repatriated monies.

Allow those companies to repatriate their earnings.... with a caveat. 25% of the repatriated monies must be spent on new hires or plant & equipment. In other words a portion of those dollars have to be spent upgrading their business'.

See what happens.... status quo means that money will sit overseas forever because Cisco, Google and Apple are not bringing that money back to the US at 35%.
 
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I brought up Pelosi as a jam to HJ, who had jammed me with with the "Scott has a lifetime subscription to the 'big business running absolutely everything' " mantra.. All in good fun, of course:cool::rolleyes:

I'll talk about solutions with you. But watch what Red does... (just for fun).

Actually I was saying that you had a lifetime subscription to "The Economist".
 
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Hugh Januss said:
Actually I was saying that you had a lifetime subscription to "The Economist".

Oops. Please accept my apologies.:eek:

FWIW, I don't read the economist much.... occasionally at best.
 
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