World Politics

[Cobblestones]

no, it doesn't. it is this kind of left/right thinking that is destroying the US. hardly anything separates bush/obama, republicans/democrats, yet both sides act as if they are the sole arbiters of what is best and the other side is pure evil.

frankly, both sides are venal, corrupt and craven.

And the failure of both parties is perpetuated by redistricting whereby representatives mostly have to fear primary challenges, but hardly any general election problems. So the selection of representatives is moved even further down into the obscurity of the primary election/caucus system.

How comes that a changeover of maybe 10% of all representatives by election is seen as a 'landslide' in political speak?

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Italics are my comments.

Excellent post Gregod. Summed it up perfectly. I also concur with what Cobblestones added about Obama and the elections. Spot on.

The traditional "liberals" need to keep something in mind when people like Gregod, Cobblestones, the Texas trio or myself rail against Obama. This doesn't mean we're lining up at Tea Party rallies to support Michelle Bachman. Just because she would be worse than him, or Bush was (probably, so far) worse than him, doesn't excuse his numerous failures.

 

[Captain_Cavman]

And the failure of both parties is perpetuated by redistricting whereby representatives mostly have to fear primary challenges, but hardly any general election problems. So the selection of representatives is moved even further down into the obscurity of the primary election/caucus system.

How comes that a changeover of maybe 10% of all representatives by election is seen as a 'landslide' in political speak?

Has this changed over time? I'm not a great student of US politics but the turn over of Senators seems to be similar to what it's been for the last 30 years.

Here in the UK too, the two main parties are following identical policies. The closer they become, the more hysterical is the screaming about the differences. In the end otherwise intelligent people are reduced to saying things like, "I don't trust them because they're Tories, Labour, or whatever."

My own theory is that politicians haven't any wriggle room in the current economic climate as we watch how 30+ years of exponential debt expansion in a debt based fiat money system unfolds.

But that's probably just me.

 

[redtreviso]

Romney chart on jobs..................................

don't miss the obvious

 

[Anonymous]

Romney chart on jobs..................................

don't miss the obvious

This type of thing, while amateurish, won't make any difference. Unless Barry can reverse the current economic trends he has no chance of re-election.

It's looking like Perry has stolen most of Bachmann's thunder... so it's the Romney/Perry show for the repub nomination and either one will beat Obama in the general.



U.S. Job Creation on Downward Trajectory

Similarly, Gallup's August unemployment data also suggest a higher unemployment rate than the 9.1% the government reported Friday. This may partly result from differences between Gallup's and the government's household survey methodologies (detailed in the table below). One key difference is that the government seasonally adjusts its unemployment data, while Gallup does not.

On the other hand, Gallup's unemployment results seem consistent with the finding of the government's establishment survey -- a survey of businesses concerning employment -- that zero new jobs were created in August. This lack of job growth should lead to greater unemployment. Regardless, it seems clear that the job situation is deteriorating and Gallup finds that many Americans are worried about their jobs.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/149339/Job-Creation-Downward-Trajectory.aspx

 

[redtreviso]

This type of thing, while amateurish, won't make any difference. Unless Barry can reverse the current economic trends he has no chance of re-election.

It's looking like Perry has stolen most of Bachmann's thunder... so it's the Romney/Perry show for the repub nomination and either one will beat Obama in the general.



U.S. Job Creation on Downward Trajectory



http://www.gallup.com/poll/149339/Job-Creation-Downward-Trajectory.aspx

Like I said...don't miss the obvious

 

[Anonymous]

Like I said...don't miss the obvious

Didn't miss it. Amateur move on the part of his campaign but it also could be argued the greater the loss of jobs the greater the potential for job recovery. Bad luck or bad policy? Not many believe it's bad luck.

What was promised, what has been delivered and what does Barry run on? What does he pound his fist on the table and say, "we are better off today because of ____________".

And even if he does that, who will believe him? Very few.

He's toast.

 

[redtreviso]

Didn't miss it. Amateur move on the part of his campaign but it also could be argued the greater the loss of jobs the greater the potential for job recovery. Bad luck or bad policy? Not many believe it's bad luck.

What was promised, what has been delivered and what does Barry run on? What does he pound his fist on the table and say, "we are better off today because of ____________".

And even if he does that, who will believe him? Very few.

He's toast.

If he said the sun would rise tomorrow. You, Rush , and Foxnews would say he was getting uppity and not believe him. Anyway..I'm sure you will bustling with pride and 100% support of whatever mentally impaired republican you vote for.

 

[redtreviso]

""Speaking at a campaign stop in his home state yesterday, Texas Governor and Republican Presidential Candidate Rick Perry announced his intentions to make the Environmental Protection Agency unapologetically pro-pollution.

His remarks were reported by the Houston Chronicle:

“I’ll tell you one thing: The EPA officials we have an opportunity to put in place, they’re going to be pro-business, and there’s not going to be any apologies to anybody about it,” he said. “Those agencies won’t know what hit ‘em.”

It’s not hard to see why Perry would want environmental regulations to be crafted by polluters, considering that he’s taken $11 million from the oil and gas industry since 1998. Meanwhile, Perry has stepped up his attacks on climate science by falsely claiming that researchers manipulated data for money""

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/06/312161/rick-perry-the-epa-won%E2%80%99t-know-what-hit-%E2%80%98em/

 

[usedtobefast]

i figure none of the current Teapublicans are going to be the nominee. i could be wrong, but what they have said so far will not entice the independents.
Obama...if he gets reelected, i will be impressed.
none of these yahoos seems to have studied economics,really. just sh#$%t wrapped in crap,imo.

 

[Anonymous]

If he said the sun would rise tomorrow. You, Rush , and Foxnews would say he was getting uppity and not believe him. Anyway..I'm sure you will bustling with pride and 100% support of whatever mentally impaired republican you vote for.

Don't forget Robert Redford (Redford didn't call him 'uppity' though).

http://www.politico.com/blogs/click/0911/Robert_Redford_disappointed_in_Obama.html

 

[redtreviso]

Don't forget Robert Redford (Redford didn't call him 'uppity' though).

http://www.politico.com/blogs/click/0911/Robert_Redford_disappointed_in_Obama.html

In 1968 the anti-war movement protested the Democratic National Convention in Chicago..

 

[patricknd]

Didn't miss it. Amateur move on the part of his campaign but it also could be argued the greater the loss of jobs the greater the potential for job recovery. Bad luck or bad policy? Not many believe it's bad luck.

What was promised, what has been delivered and what does Barry run on? What does he pound his fist on the table and say, "we are better off today because of ____________".

And even if he does that, who will believe him? Very few.

He's toast.

I'm not so sure about Perry. He only managed 55% in Texas against an anti-gun opponent.
I think if I was Obama I'd like my chances against him. Too many people, especially moderates, will find Perry to close to the memory of Bush for comfort. I agree Obama may be in trouble, but with the choices the republican party looks to be offering early on, it's no done deal.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I'm not so sure about Perry. He only managed 55% in Texas against an anti-gun opponent.
I think if I was Obama I'd like my chances against him. Too many people, especially moderates, will find Perry to close to the memory of Bush for comfort. I agree Obama may be in trouble, but with the choices the republican party looks to be offering early on, it's no done deal.

To bad you feel that way man. I will vote for Perry or Romney any day they are nominated. Good luck to red and his bro Romperroom. You guys are just afraid of these asshats who want to make / manufacture revolutions and sling **** for days. They are just hiding from their inner conservative self.

Hey by the way ...bay crane man.... I am on the edge to evacuate from the forest fires on this side of the city. I guess by tomorrow we be up out. Y'all got room? I am making reservation for the Hampton inn at the Uptown area...aka Galleria. But who knows. Lets just hope the fires stop. DAMMMM YOU OBAMA and your F-ing DROUGHT AND THE FIRES YOU HAVE BROUGHT upon us! PLEASE turn off your drought and fire switch...much like BUSH's hurricane SWITCH!
He is after us WHITE PEOPLE!

 

[patricknd]

To bad you feel that way man. I will vote for Perry or Romney any day they are nominated. Good luck to red and his bro Romperroom. You guys are just afraid of these asshats who want to make / manufacture revolutions and sling **** for days. They are just hiding from their inner conservative self.

Hey by the way ...bay crane man.... I am on the edge to evacuate from the forest fires on this side of the city. I guess by tomorrow we be up out. Y'all got room? I am making reservation for the Hampton inn at the Uptown area...aka Galleria. But who knows. Lets just hope the fires stop. DAMMMM YOU OBAMA and your F-ing DROUGHT AND THE FIRES YOU HAVE BROUGHT upon us! PLEASE turn off your drought and fire switch...much like BUSH's hurricane SWITCH!
He is after us WHITE PEOPLE!

Haven't you been reading? Not only did Bush not help after Katrina, he caused it!!! And 9 - 11. Ask red, he'll tell ya. Him and mike Moore know all about it.
Are you really close on the fires? One of my customers probably lost his last we heard. Drank a toast to you Sunday while I sucked down some abita ambers. Tasty brew

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Haven't you been reading? Not only did Bush not help after Katrina, he caused it!!! And 9 - 11. Ask red, he'll tell ya. Him and mike Moore know all about it.
Are you really close on the fires? One of my customers probably lost his last we heard. Drank a toast to you Sunday while I sucked down some abita ambers. Tasty brew

Yeah that is correct. Bush destroyed my mother's and sister's place and now Obamers is coming after me! What the hell did I do TWO him????

Yes I am close real close over here on the west side. I am packing my stuff and going after hoffaaah and his union socialist ***! I have had enough of this labor union crap and am getting my gunz and running up north! ....at least they got rain!

Please for the love of ??? turn off your drought switch.

Hey you see this socialist is going to try and have a speech during a SAINTS game? WTF????? does he or doesn't he not know that is against the rules?

Tell that President to get back on his Canadian bus and ride off into ...UMMM well Canada.

 

[patricknd]

Yeah that is correct. Bush destroyed my mother's and sister's place and now Obamers is coming after me! What the hell did I do TWO him????

Yes I am close real close over here on the west side. I am packing my stuff and going after hoffaaah and his union socialist ***! I have had enough of this labor union crap and am getting my gunz and running up north! ....at least they got rain!

Please for the love of ??? turn off your drought switch.

Hey you see this socialist is going to try and have a speech during a SAINTS game? WTF????? does he or doesn't he not know that is against the rules?

Tell that President to get back on his Canadian bus and ride off into ...UMMM well Canada.

I heard they aren't gonna let him interrupt the game. So much for the power of that
office. Scott might be right maybe he is toast

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I heard they aren't gonna let him interrupt the game. So much for the power of that
office. Scott might be right maybe he is toast

well that would be Da powarz of da WHO DAT NATION!

 

[redtreviso]

well that would be Da powarz of da WHO DAT NATION!

Jack Welsh wouldn't let them.

 

[frenchfry]

no, it doesn't. it is this kind of left/right thinking that is destroying the US. hardly anything separates bush/obama, republicans/democrats, yet both sides act as if they are the sole arbiters of what is best and the other side is pure evil.

frankly, both sides are venal, corrupt and craven.

Sadly the same is true here in France.

I only follow US politics from a distance, but man some of these people are stoopid! We are all in big trouble if the leader of the free world (but for how long) comes out of this lot.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Haven't you been reading? Not only did Bush not help after Katrina, he caused it!!! And 9 - 11. Ask red, he'll tell ya. Him and mike Moore know all about it.
Are you really close on the fires? One of my customers probably lost his last we heard. Drank a toast to you Sunday while I sucked down some abita ambers. Tasty brew

Excuse my ignorance as I do not follow US politics but how could Bush cause Hurricane Katrina?

US Politics seems so much more complicated than Aus politics.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Sadly the same is true here in France.

I only follow US politics from a distance, but man some of these people are stoopid! We are all in big trouble if the leader of the free world (but for how long) comes out of this lot.

It is a little bit odd in Australia. Greens are taking things to the left quite considerably but the Liberal Party (oddly they are the conservative party in Aus) have taken things to the further to the right. Then you have Labor who needs the Greens to form Government because neither side have the numbers to form government. Therefore you have the Labor Party who has become more conservative over the past few years controlled by a strongly socialist Greens party. No wonder they are doing so badly. A lot of their new policies have screwed over many of their voters such as a Carbon Tax which is a joke. I thought I'd bring some Aus politics to the thread

In conclusion, Politics is pretty much the same wherever you go. All about power and less about the people. Parties have lost their identity. POliticians don't have balls to do things that are right or will they take a risk because of not wanting to lose power.

 

[Captain_Cavman]

It is a little bit odd in Australia...

Enjoy your oddness. The last thing you want to be is like those in Europe or the States.

In conclusion, Politics is pretty much the same wherever you go. All about power and less about the people. Parties have lost their identity. POliticians don't have balls to do things that are right or will they take a risk because of not wanting to lose power.

Possibly so, but I think you've got it lucky. You seem to actually discuss issues and come to a collective decision; we are assumed to be too stupid so decisions are made for us without any attempt at presenting a case. Maybe we are.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

It's looking like Perry has stolen most of Bachmann's thunder... so it's the Romney/Perry show for the repub nomination and either one will beat Obama in the general.

The saddest part of all is that you can choose any of these people and I can almost guarantee you that there will be very, very little policy change from what we have now, and that some 80% of the country will be worse off in 4 years than they are now. You can only look at this and wonder who would do the most damage, and I'd guess that would be Perry, though not by nearly the amount the liberals think.

Looking across the GOP field today, it would be interesting if the race were between Huntsman, Johnson, and maybe Paul (yes, the fringe, the "who is that guy again?", the single digit candidates), I'd love to see any of them stand up in the debates against Obama. I know, fat chance.

Tell that President to get back on his Canadian bus and ride off into ...UMMM well Canada.

Don't you mean Kenyan bus?!

I thought I'd bring some Aus politics to the thread.

Be my guest, please. Glad to hear about another nation's corrupt, rotten, venal, pathetic political system for a change.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Be my guest, please. Glad to hear about another nation's corrupt, rotten, venal, pathetic political system for a change.

To be honest, I wouldn't say it that bad in Australia when you look at other countries. Maybe corrupt is not a right word to describe Politics in Australia atm but in saying that I can't wait till the horrible government Australia has in at the moment is gone. We'll have to wait another 2 years. Totally incompetent and is controlled by independents and the Greens because the Labor could only make the 76 seat majority required to form government. Basically the greens leader is running the country. Gillard (Aus PM) is just a puppet. One of the main reason so many people voted for her last time was because she was the 1st ever female PM in Australia. All the feminists got behind her which makes me vomit because I hate the concept of feminism. Funnily enough, 6 weeks before she got the job as PM she said that the chances of her becoming PM were likely as herself playing in the Forward line of her favourite team in the AFL (Australia's main football code).6 weeks later, she backstabbed the current PM and took over his job.

Enjoy your oddness. The last thing you want to be is like those in Europe or the States.

Possibly so, but I think you've got it lucky. You seem to actually discuss issues and come to a collective decision; we are assumed to be too stupid so decisions are made for us without any attempt at presenting a case. Maybe we are.

That is true. Seems to be a lot more discussion of actual issues over here. That is a good thing.