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Caterina Falessi, 18 years-old, student at La Sapienza University, Rome

Rome - “We have a job: change the world.” She says tranquilly and with a smile. And with the security of one who feels she has no future to look forward to under the present regime. Nor is this about a small battle, rather there's only one way out: “There's need for radical change. Even the tourists have understood us judging by the applause the give us on the streets, because even in their countries there is crisis. Caterina Falessi, former student of Avogadro liceo (high school) and for years an student activist, is now a student at La Sapienza.

You want to change the world: is this a return to 68?

“My parents were part of the 77 protests and are today disparaged. For my father the only way to make the situation any better is to change the government. Yet I don't feel at all represented by today's political class, neither on the right or the left, as don't many of today's youth.”

So your cause addresses more than the schools as in last year's protests?

“Today the enemy is something of a greater and more complex status. It's no longer merely about the debased schools: there is need of a global change that passes straight through the economy.”

Has the economic crisis changed you?

“Everyone has older brothers or sisters, or friends, who can't find a job, who have degrees but live in a precarious situation, or else people with jobs who risk loosing them because of the cutbacks. The grave thing, however, is that the government and the financial apparatus have used the crisis as an instrument and an excuse to impose harsh austerity measures on us and therefore cuts on the social services and our democratic right to have decent public schools. And we all feel that we have been hoodwinked.”

You feel hoodwinked because of what?

“By the economy itself. The way it's horribly imbalanced and mismanaged by a political and financial class that tends to it in ways that are exclusive to their own interests, but to mass society's detriment. As students, however, we're not only looking at the current problems with the school cuts, but at the financial maneuvers of the other counties. And society can't always be made to pay for the excesses of finance and private business.”

At 3 PM you will be in piazza with Europe's students?

“Yes. The crisis is global and young people are sick and tired of arriving at a future in which they will be made by government to pay for a debt that wasn't accumulated by them, certain of not having a pension payed for by their fiscal contributions to the state and of seeing their taxes squandered to pay for this debt: while the public sector gets further debilitated. I believe in Europe, that is in a Europe of students, precarious workers, of citizens who want to profoundly change the world.”

Is there a message you have for the politicians?

A voi che trascinate la nazione al buio ma vi divertite a fare luminari, pronti a tutto pur di ricevere un' udienza...('To you who drag the nation into the dark, but amuse yourselves at playing luminaries and will stop at nothing just to receive an audience...'). It's from a song by Caparezza.”

Speaking of the political leadership, what would you ask of Berlusconi?

“He's had his time. Step down and leave space to the new generation.”

Source: Caterina Pasolini, la Repubblica


Quant'è bella giovinezza
che si fugge tuttavia!
Chi vuol esser lieto, sia:
di doman non c'è certezza.

“How beautiful is youth, that is always slipping away! Whoever wants to be happy, let him be so: about tomorrow there’s no knowing.”

– Lorenzo di Medici “The Magnificent” (1490)
 
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By token of a strange irony, the OWS-now-worldwide movement has taken inspiration from events in the Middle East.

At last we realise it's true: they never needed or looked to the West. The gaze has always been one way.
 
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VeloCity said:
Time for you to start conserving, then. Al Gore buys carbon offsets. He's carbon neutral. And he lives in one of the most energy-efficient houses in the country.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/2224869...ets-green-kudos-home-renovation/#.To9lNJtT-4c

Yeah you tell them velocity. Al Gore has a small little 1500 square foot house in the hills of Tennessee. He wastes all that energy but he fixes that little problem by buying carbon offsets. He is a genius because the carbon offsets he buys are from his own company. He is a corporate hero, a capitalist genius / mensa.

“Electricity usage at the home remains well above regional averages, but Gore's power consumption decreased by 6,890 kilowatt hours, or 11 percent, between June and August, despite the heat wave.”

“Gore spokeswoman Kalee Kreider declined to say how much the couple spent on the improvements.

"The Gores decided to take a series of steps over time that might be logistically or financially out of reach for many Americans," she said. "But they were fortunate enough to have the ability to do so.”
 
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Glenn_Wilson said:
Yeah you tell them velocity. Al Gore has a small little 1500 square foot house in the hills of Tennessee. He wastes all that energy but he fixes that little problem by buying carbon offsets. He is a genius because the carbon offsets he buys are from his own company. He is a corporate hero, a capitalist genius / mensa.

“Electricity usage at the home remains well above regional averages, but Gore's power consumption decreased by 6,890 kilowatt hours, or 11 percent, between June and August, despite the heat wave.”

“Gore spokeswoman Kalee Kreider declined to say how much the couple spent on the improvements.

"The Gores decided to take a series of steps over time that might be logistically or financially out of reach for many Americans," she said. "But they were fortunate enough to have the ability to do so.”

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/gorehome.asp

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_al_gore_katrina.htm

http://www.buzzflash.com/perspectives/2002/Bush_and_Enron.html
 
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redtreviso said:

Your snopes article reinforces the MSNBC article. I am not sure if you're trying to bust me up or help me out.

The Hurricane Katrina info is known by people who either live or have family in the crescent city / gulfcoast area. Sorry to bust your azz over this but you will never find me defending President Bush's reaction and lack of action during Hurricane Katrina.

I do not give a crap about Bush and Enron.
 
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Glenn_Wilson said:
Your snopes article reinforces the MSNBC article. I am not sure if you're trying to bust me up or help me out.

The Hurricane Katrina info is known by people who either live or have family in the crescent city / gulfcoast area. Sorry to bust your azz over this but you will never find me defending President Bush's reaction and lack of action during Hurricane Katrina.

I do not give a crap about Bush and Enron.

You only give a crap about stupid sh----..
 
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OH NO!!! BASEBALL SEASON WILL BE OVER IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND GOD WON'T BE BLESSING US....

""Bryan Fischer of the conservative Christian group the American Family Association floated an interesting theory about why there hasn't been a "Muslim attack" since Sept. 11 during his speech before the Values Voter Summit on Saturday.

"By God's blessing, we have not been hit by a Muslim attack since 9/11," Fischer said. "I suggest that in part, we have Major League Baseball to thank. You remember that the week after 9/11 Major League Baseball converted the seventh inning stretch from the singing of 'Take Me Out To The Ballgame' to the singing of 'God Bless America.'"

"Now 'God Bless America' is not just a song, it is a prayer. When we sing that we are inviting God to bless America, to stand beside her and to guide her through the night with a light from above," Fischer said.

"So for one brief, shining moment every night, Major League Baseball has converted our stadiums into cathedrals in which tens of thousands of ordinary Americans lift their hearts and voices as one and ask God to watch over and protect the United States," Fischer said.

"Ladies and gentleman, I think that those prayers have been heard and they have been answered," Fischer said.""
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
You know, part of the reason I respect you so much is your ability to let most of the crap just roll off your back with a smirk on your face. It shows character that some of the people who attack you don't ever show.

Alpe d'Huez said:
Not to be glad-handing here, and it's not like we don't disagree on some key issues, but he's probably one of the most pragmatic conservatives you'll come across. Strip away the push and shove, jab and parry debates here dealing with extreme positions taken elsewhere in society, and look at what he earnestly believes and proposes, and you'll find what you say is true.

The arguments I've had with you two are the one's that make me question my views the most. But I know I'm on the right track as long a Redtrevisio is stirred up.

Kind words... thanks.
 
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redtreviso said:
Not to be glad-handing here.........................Strip away the push and shove and pure bs and he is just another loudmouthed whiskey tango republican longing for unique consideration for himself. (and his horse)

That's crazy because when I read your posts it's always silent.
 
Scott SoCal said:
The arguments I've had with you two are the one's that make me question my views the most. But I know I'm on the right track as long a Redtrevisio is stirred up.

Kind words... thanks.

You have caved into an access of sentimentality, which nobody hates more than yourself.
 
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rhubroma said:
You have caved into an access of sentimentality, which nobody hates more than yourself.

Thanks for letting me know what to think. I appreciate it.
 
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Pass the aspirin...

Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) tells MSNBC regulations create jobs because a business will have to hire people to help them comply with the new requirement.

"I think the answer is no," Ellison said when asked if he believes regulations kill jobs. "And here is why: When we talked about increasing fuel efficiency standards, the industry responded, and they need engineers and designers and manufacturers, and they need actually more people to help respond to the new requirement."

"I believe if the government says, look, we have got to reduce our carbon footprint, you will kick into gear a whole number of people that know how to do that or have ideas about that, and that will be a job engine. I understand what you mean, because if anything adds a cost to a business, you could assume that that will diminish that business's ability to hire. But I don't think that's actually right. I think what businesses want is customers and what -- if they are selling product, if they have a product to sell they will do well even if they have some new regulations to meet," the Congressman said.

Rep. Ellison tells MSNBC that he is against Republican attempts to defund the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) because doing so would "make us sicker and add to heart disease as well as everything else."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/09/dem_congressman_keith_ellison_regulations_create_jobs.html
 
Meanwhile I listened to "lefty" radio guy Ed Schultz some today. Probably my favorite liberal radio guy as he's not like the birkenstocks, vegan, hipster, incense kind, but more of a hard hat and steel toed boots kind of liberal. Anyway, he says he's going to go to Wall Street tomorrow and ask some of those people what the hell they are protesting against, and what exactly are they for.

I find this interesting as he was saying almost the same as Michael Savage (who I can take in short doses), who unlike Herm Cain, Paul Ryan and other conservatives thought it was fine people were protesting, but they were unfocused and would end up looking like fools at the rate they are going.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Meanwhile I listened to "lefty" radio guy Ed Schultz some today. Probably my favorite liberal radio guy as he's not like the birkenstocks, vegan, hipster, incense kind, but more of a hard hat and steel toed boots kind of liberal. Anyway, he says he's going to go to Wall Street tomorrow and ask some of those people what the hell they are protesting against, and what exactly are they for.

I find this interesting as he was saying almost the same as Michael Savage (who I can take in short doses), who unlike Herm Cain, Paul Ryan and other conservatives thought it was fine people were protesting, but they were unfocused and would end up looking like fools at the rate they are going.

yay alpe.. nice RW talking pts
 
Alpe d'Huez said:
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this has been said by many. and not just by the obvious, more reactionary conservatives, but also raised by people who are explicitly sympathetic. at the same time, the action is continuing to gather support: from actual communities within the city as well as those coming from outside.

it seems rather clear what the protest is against--however vague and wide it's cast for the moment--and every time the media repeats this criticism it feels that they're simply being obtuse and willfully missing the point for the sake of some cheap laughs. what the protests are 'for' isn't fully developed. and many don't want it to be yet. there's a real fear that if issues are made too specific and too narrow, too soon, that there will be overtures to placate some concerns in a "not too distant future," that the potential momentum will be lost and there will nothing a perpetuation of the status quo. or still worse. again.
 
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redtreviso said:
Trickle down your raining.........

""By the way, during seven of the eight George W. Bush years, the IRS report on the top 400 taxpayers was labeled a state secret, a policy that the Obama administration overturned almost instantly after his inauguration.""

http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-17350-9_things_the_rich_dont_want_you_to_know_about_taxes.html

Is that the best you can do?

Without even the slightest effort I can shed those 9 points. This guy (David Cay Johnston) is lecturing? Pulitzer Prize winner? This passes for intellectualism? FFS...

I sincerely hope he lectures for free otherwise he's committing fraud.

So Red, how much did you pay to hear him speak?
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Is that the best you can do?

Without even the slightest effort I can shed those 9 points. This guy (David Cay Johnston) is lecturing? Pulitzer Prize winner? This passes for intellectualism? FFS...

I sincerely hope he lectures for free otherwise he's committing fraud.

So Red, how much did you pay to hear him speak?

if you do, do you get a little gold star for your forehead from the Koch brothers?, Mrs Greenspan?? Rush Limbaugh? Maybe they'll let you clean their toilets one day?
 
redtreviso said:
yay alpe.. nice RW talking pts
Seriously, you think Ed Schultz is RW? Well, I guess compared to you he is.

As I said days ago on the protesters, they may get an emotional bounce out of this, but it is going to cause zero change to legislation. Zero, zip, none. The money is so entrenched in Washington this is merely a blip on the radar screen. It isn't until politicians, and really, those with great power over them, are faced with drastic alterations in their livelihood, be that by hook or by crook, that we will see the change many of these people seek.

Scott SoCal said:
Is that the best you can do?

Without even the slightest effort I can shed those 9 points. This guy (David Cay Johnston) is lecturing?
Two comments. First, I'd like to see you shed those points. And please do so with the compelling detail that Johnston does in his book, which I gather you have not read.

Next, remove Red from this for a moment, as I think you'd like much of Johnston's book, Perfectly Legal. Despite what's written in that link - which comes from a liberal alternative newspaper from my home town by the way - the thrust of Johnson's books and articles focus on rigging and warping of the tax code, and are extremely well researched and detailed. The man has an amazing grasp on the federal, and state, tax code, having studied it for over two decades. He has written several times on how small business owners are getting the shaft because they simply do not have the financial power to influence the political system the way others are. And if you do not believe that, then I'm not sure what else to say.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Seriously, you think Ed Schultz is RW? Well, I guess compared to you he is.

As I said days ago on the protesters, they may get an emotional bounce out of this, but it is going to cause zero change to legislation. Zero, zip, none. The money is so entrenched in Washington this is merely a blip on the radar screen. It isn't until politicians, and really, those with great power over them, are faced with drastic alterations in their livelihood, be that by hook or by crook, that we will see the change many of these people seek.

Ed Shultz is hardly liberal..He's just objective enough to be labeled as not RW..As for him furthering the "they have no cause or message" talking point, I don't see the scotties dismissing the teab-party for "keep government out of my medicare" and such ftardiness. Already the OWS is much bigger than the teaparty movement and is not funded by Koch and Armey. The elected and the to be elected will soon find it advantageous to speak for them. Let the Republicans say "we are the 1%" and see how that works for them.

and btw.. Boston PD kicked the hornet's nest last night..
 
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Bavarianrider said:
God bless Slovakia :D:D
Good jobs guys:D:D

They voted against the bailout?


Former Ukraine Prime Minister Yulia Tymoschenko Jailed for 7 years

Former Ukrainian PM Yulia Tymoshenko has been jailed for seven years.

A judge ruled she had criminally exceeded her powers when she signed a gas deal with Russia in 2009.

Mrs Tymoshenko said the charges against her were politically motivated. She vowed to appeal against her sentence and fight for Ukraine "till her last breath".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15250742

Tymoschenko to challenge verdict in European Court

Former Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, who was sentenced on Tuesday to seven years in prison for abuse of power and ordered to repay Hr 1.5 billion in losses to Ukraine's state oil and gas company, has said that there is no justice in Ukraine.

"This verdict and these repressions against citizens bring Ukraine back to 1937," Tymoshenko said in the courtroom on Tuesday after the verdict was announced.

The ex-premier said she intended to "defend her good name" in the European Court of Human Rights.

"No sentence can stop me. We will fight and defend my good name in the European Court, and I am convinced that the European Court of Human Rights will make a legitimate, lawful and fair decision," she said.

According to Tymoshenko, Ukrainian courts cannot be trusted.

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/politics/detail/114536/

Her sentencing was in connection to excesses made in payment for oil to Gazprom in 2009 when on the 1st of January the Oil giant did not renew a contract to supply oil to Ukraine which was widely seen as a method of political arm twisting by the Russian company following the defeat of the pro Russian Viktor Yanukovych.

It must be noted that Tymoschenko is the leader of opposition and was one of the main leaders of the Orange Revolution.

Yushchenko's regime lost the election to Viktor Yanukovych, who was elected President in 2010.

Unsurprisingly, the EU, in their own version of arm twisting, has made a statement on the issue.

EU says Tymoshenko sentence could hit Ukraine ties

The European Commission said on Tuesday it was deeply disappointed by the sentencing of Ukraine's former prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko to seven years in prison and said it could have profound implications for relations with the bloc.

And just as unsurprisingly, Ukraine's PM makes a statement about the EU

Ukraine PM says EU's Tymoshenko stance "immoral"

The European Union's threat to scrap planned free trade and association agreements with Ukraine if it jails former prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko is immoral, Prime Minister Mykola Azarov said on Saturday.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Two comments. First, I'd like to see you shed those points. And please do so with the compelling detail that Johnston does in his book, which I gather you have not read.

Next, remove Red from this for a moment, as I think you'd like much of Johnston's book, Perfectly Legal. Despite what's written in that link - which comes from a liberal alternative newspaper from my home town by the way - the thrust of Johnson's books and articles focus on rigging and warping of the tax code, and are extremely well researched and detailed. The man has an amazing grasp on the federal, and state, tax code, having studied it for over two decades. He has written several times on how small business owners are getting the shaft because they simply do not have the financial power to influence the political system the way others are. And if you do not believe that, then I'm not sure what else to say.

Guilty as charged.

The linked article was a ridiculous effort from someone as well versed as you believe him to be.

I'll read more of Johnston as you have piqued my interest.
 
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