World Politics

[El Pistolero]

Awww scott doesn't like Michael Moore....Did Michael Moore insult your little dubya?

No, he just makes the most horrible movies. He's the Justin Bieber of the movie industry. Crappy movies, big success.

 

[ramjambunath]

European Parliament backs bill for tougher penalties against Child pornography

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/en/pr...alties-and-EU-wide-deletion-of-porn-web-pages

The text sets out minimum penalties for about 20 criminal offences - far more than are usually provided for in EU legislation. MEPs fought for tougher penalties across the EU, especially in cases of abuse by persons in a position of trust, authority or influence over the child (e.g. family members, guardians or teachers) or abuse of particularly vulnerable children (e.g. those with a physical or mental disability or under the influence of drugs or alcohol).

For instance, coercing a child into sexual actions or forcing a child into prostitution will be punishable by at least ten years in prison. Child pornography producers will face at least three years, and viewers of child pornography on the web at least one year.

Member States will have to ensure the prompt removal of web pages containing or disseminating child pornography hosted in their territory. They will also have to do their best to co-operate with third countries (US and others) to obtain the removal of such pages if hosted outside the EU.

However, the removal of child pornography content at its source is often not possible (e.g. because the state where servers are hosted is unwilling to co-operate or because removal would take too long). In these cases, Member States may block access to those pages for internet users in their territory, says the text agreed with the Council. These measures to block access to web pages will have to follow transparent procedures and provide adequate safeguards.

Since some 20% of sex offenders go on to commit further offences after conviction, the directive stipulates that convicted offenders "may be temporarily or permanently prevented from exercising at least professional activities involving direct and regular contacts with children".

Employers when recruiting will be entitled to request information on convictions for sexual offences against children. Member States will also be entitled to take other measures, such as listing convicted persons in "sex offender registers".

 

[The Hitch]

No, he just makes the most horrible movies. He's the Justin Bieber of the movie industry. Crappy movies, big success.

This is all one needs to know about Michael Moore and the stupidity of his apologists.

Heston is wearing a blue tie and as the speech continues the sene cuts to a NRA plackard to trick the viewer, so that 2 seconds later, in mid speech, Heston is now wearing a red tie. Moore tries to show what Heston is saying as if it was from the same speech, which he clearly is not as he is wearing different clothes and at a different location.


His "films" contain about 60 -70 such scams every hour.

 

[redtreviso]

This is all one needs to know about Michael Moore and the stupidity of his apologists.

Below: Charlton Heston saying a sentence in 1 of Moores "movies". Heston is presenting as making a sentence at a NRA rally, only his tie, shirt and background seem to magically change as the sentence goes on.

and what did that senile old fool really say???

 

[Amsterhammer]

I see that the right on this topic has now taken to Michael Moore bashing (admittedly, an easy target,) perhaps as a diversion away from Michelle Malkin.

I've been watching this name go by in the exchanges between Scott and Velocity and thinking to myself, 'geez, should I admit in public that this woman is a total unknown to me'? So, I've just spent the best part of the last hour on youtube checking her out. (Yes, I felt dirty.)

The conclusions I have come to, quite apart from the fact that most of the clips feature her on FN, which forced me to watch that ignorant and bigotted bile (and which led me to xx other clips with people like O'Reilly, Beck and Hannity,) are that this woman really is a particularly loathsome polemical animal, and that something must have gone very wrong in her gene pool to lead her to the overtly racist points of view that she espouses. She is totally appalling in every respect.

I absolutely see her running for some kind of elected office as a token Hun/TP candidate in the near future. They'll be able to crow, 'see, we couldn't be racist because we have a 'colored' woman candidate'. Worst of all, the FN viewing public will believe it.

She makes me want to puke.

 

[Amsterhammer]

No, he just makes the most horrible movies. He's the Justin Bieber of the movie industry. Crappy movies, big success.

Haha, very witty. Of course, attack the fat, brash, mouthy, polemical messenger, because you can't deny that his facts are well researched and spot on.

This is all one needs to know about Michael Moore and the stupidity of his apologists.

You really should stick to those excellent stage introduction posts. I strongly suspect that you know jack ***t about the issues of US life and society that MM exposes in a manner deliberately designed to annoy right-wingers. Which has clearly worked with you.

 

[Anonymous]

<snipped>

So, I've just spent the best part of the last hour on youtube checking her out. (Yes, I felt dirty.)

<snipped>

Ok, that was funny

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Awww scott doesn't like Michael Moore....Did Michael Moore insult your little dubya?

I like that M. Moore is FAT. That along with his obvious large head will lead to a sudden dirt nap.

 

[redtreviso]

another republican hero

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg7IhR0ccgo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv8Z16H1nus

 

[Anonymous]

Haha, very witty. Of course, attack the fat, brash, mouthy, polemical messenger, because you can't deny that his facts are well researched and spot on.



You really should stick to those excellent stage introduction posts. I strongly suspect that you know jack ***t about the issues of US life and society that MM exposes in a manner deliberately designed to annoy right-wingers. Which has clearly worked with you.

You went from being funny to being ridiculous in one post. WTF happened??

And be careful with Hitch. He's likely more on your side than on mine, but he's no dumbass and my guess is he'll make you look foolish.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I see that the right on this topic has now taken to Michael Moore bashing (admittedly, an easy target,) perhaps as a diversion away from Michelle Malkin.

I've been watching this name go by in the exchanges between Scott and Velocity and thinking to myself, 'geez, should I admit in public that this woman is a total unknown to me'? So, I've just spent the best part of the last hour on youtube checking her out. (Yes, I felt dirty.)

The conclusions I have come to, quite apart from the fact that most of the clips feature her on FN, which forced me to watch that ignorant and bigotted bile (and which led me to xx other clips with people like O'Reilly, Beck and Hannity,) are that this woman really is a particularly loathsome polemical animal, and that something must have gone very wrong in her gene pool to lead her to the overtly racist points of view that she espouses. She is totally appalling in every respect.

I absolutely see her running for some kind of elected office as a token Hun/TP candidate in the near future. They'll be able to crow, 'see, we couldn't be racist because we have a 'colored' woman candidate'. Worst of all, the FN viewing public will believe it.

She makes me want to puke.

You are calling her a racist and then during the same post call her an animal. I would expect that Pilipino people would take an offense to that. Just saying.
As to her political positions they are way out on the right. Yes there are a large portion of the FoxNews viewership that agree with her opinions.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

You went from being funny to being ridiculous in the matter of one post. WTF happened??

And be careful with Hitch. He's likely more on your side than on mine, but he's no dumbass and my guess is he'll make you look foolish.

Well yeah but sit back and see where this all goes. Check this out. World history.

Earth is formed. Dinosaurs roam. Fall of Roman Empire. WWI. WWII. Milli Vanilli have to return Grammy. McRib. Boom! 5 Second History Lesson.

 

[Anonymous]

Well yeah but sit back and see where this all goes. Check this out. World history.

Earth is formed. Dinosaurs roam. Fall of Roman Empire. WWI. WWII. Milli Vanilli have to return Grammy. McRib. Boom! 5 Second History Lesson.

I see you hit all the major events.

 

[The Hitch]

You really should stick to those excellent stage introduction posts. I strongly suspect that you know jack ***t about the issues of US life and society that MM exposes in a manner deliberately designed to annoy right-wingers. Which has clearly worked with you.

So cheating, manipulation of facts, lying, all these things are ok, if they annoy your enemies?

Throw all the insults in the world you want at me, and everyone else who speaks out against the idea that manipulating facts is an acceptable way to present ones point of view (or in Moore’s case, to make a lot of money).

And please do continue to tell anyone who disagrees with you that they do not understand the world on the same level as yourself.

Either way, my point holds. Moore is a liar. The image proves that. Attack the messengers all you want but the message itself, is untouchable.

 

[VeloCity]

I stated earlier that You don't know what being a racist actually means. I stand by that.

We saw earlier what you thought climate change means, too, so...

Do you see that when you accuse others of racism it lacks credibility? Care to guess why this is so?

Michelle Malkin? Racist.

My bad habit is using what you write to point out your foolishness.

Taking what people write and twisting it into something they didn't say to better fit your preconceptions and then using that as the basis for your posts is a bit of a bad habit. You should try to avoid that.

The bigger your font the more impressive you become. This is well known on the interwebz.

Yep. See your explanation for the use of "experts" for reference. Surprised you didn't get that. Maybe it wasn't a big enough font.

 

[The Hitch]

One can't help but laugh at those who crusade agains the injustices of fox news manipulating facts, but the moment someone from their own side does it, it becomes not only acceptable, but an act of heroism.

Hypocricy. Its only bad if you, err, dont agree with me

 

[Semper Fidelis]

So cheating, manipulation of facts, lying, all these things are ok, if they annoy your enemies?

Throw all the insults in the world you want at me, and everyone else who speaks out against the idea that manipulating facts is an acceptable way to present ones point of view (or in Moore’s case, to make a lot of money).

And please do continue to tell anyone who disagrees with you that they do not understand the world on the same level as yourself.

Either way, my point holds. Moore is a liar. The image proves that. Attack the messengers all you want but the message itself, is untouchable.

Moore never lets facts get in the way of a poor quality docu fiction.

I hope moore does not make the mistake of eating a donut and ore else he will be en route to the hospital to have a leg amputated do to complications from diabeetus trouble is according to his medical care docu fiction he will not be taken care of and will no doubt die because he was refused medical care at the hospital.

 

[VeloCity]

So cheating, manipulation of facts, lying, all these things are ok, if they annoy your enemies?

Throw all the insults in the world you want at me, and everyone else who speaks out against the idea that manipulating facts is an acceptable way to present ones point of view (or in Moore’s case, to make a lot of money).

And please do continue to tell anyone who disagrees with you that they do not understand the world on the same level as yourself.

Either way, my point holds. Moore is a liar. The image proves that. Attack the messengers all you want but the message itself, is untouchable.

Why are we even talking about these two? Moore and Malkin are fringe elements. They appeal to a hardcore group of followers who already agree with everything they say and are just looking to have their preconceptions reinforced.

As someone on the left, I think Moore raises some valid issues - gun control (or lack thereof), health care, etc - and I agree with his basic stand on most of them. But - like Malkin (or Hannity or O'Reilly etc) - he presents incredibly complicated, complex issues in a hammer-over-the-head, simplistic way that leaves no room for nuance.

 

[VeloCity]

One can't help but laugh at those who crusade agains the injustices of fox news manipulating facts, but the moment someone from their own side does it, it becomes not only acceptable, but an act of heroism.

Hypocricy. Its only bad if you, err, dont agree with me

Come on, Hitch, that's apples and oranges. There's quite a bit of difference between a news channel manipulating facts and a filmmaker manipulating facts.

If you want to compare Moore to someone on the right, then a more valid comparison would be to Breitbart or that conservative kid (can't remember his name) who makes the gotcha videos.

 

[Anonymous]

We saw earlier what you thought climate change means, too, so...

Michelle Malkin? Racist.

Taking what people write and twisting it into something they didn't say to better fit your preconceptions and then using that as the basis for your posts is a bit of a bad habit. You should try to avoid that.

Yep. See your explanation for the use of "experts" for reference. Surprised you didn't get that. Maybe it wasn't a big enough font.

You are quite the authority in your own mind, I'll cede that.

Taking what people write

I take you at your word when you write;

They really didn't seem to have much of a problem with all of the things that they're supposedly so mad about now that there's a black Democrat in the White House. Kinda makes one suspect that it's not the economy or the deficits or spending that really ****es off the tea baggers...

The key words here are "They" and "Tea Baggers". Nowhere above did you say "some", or "many", or "a few" or even "most". You wrote "They" when referring to the Tea Party and followed up with your favorite derogatory term to describe the group.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

"Mr. Romney, I wasn't allowed in your church until 1979. Mr. Perry, what's your ranch called?" - Playbook for Herman Cain

I hope Hank Williams Jr. appearing on the View did not create a stupidity vortex that sucks us back to 1981. I miss CHiPs.

 

[Anonymous]

Moore never lets facts get in the way of a poor quality docu fiction.

I hope moore does not make the mistake of eating a donut and ore else he will be en route to the hospital to have a leg amputated do to complications from diabeetus trouble is according to his medical care docu fiction he will not be taken care of and will no doubt die because he was refused medical care at the hospital.

You are killing me this morning....

 

[redtreviso]

""Inspector: $6.6 billion allegedly stolen in Iraq has been found


A sum of $6.6 billion allegedly stolen in Iraq has been found, the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR) said Wednesday.

While it was thought to have gone missing, an earlier SIGIR report said the funds were not accounted for due to the “weaknesses” of the Pentagon’s management and control mechanisms for their oversight.

Turns out, SIGIR now says the funds were actually being held by the Central Bank of Iraq, where they belonged.


“Sufficient evidence exists showing that almost all of the remaining $6.6 billion remaining was transferred to actual and legal CBI (Central Bank of Iraq) control,” the report says.""


6.6 billion in a swiss bank for 10 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wonder how much the BCF's share was..

 

[VeloCity]

The key words here are "They" and "Tea Baggers". Nowhere above did you say "some", or "many", or "a few" or even "most". You wrote "They" when referring to the Tea Party and followed up with your favorite derogatory term to describe the group.

I think it's pretty obvious to anyone who doesn't see everything in absolutes that even the use of "Tea Party" wouldn't mean every single person in the Tea Party. You see what you want to see, I suppose.

But you do raise a point in that I should avoid using "tea baggers" in any case - it's overly derogatory.

 

[Anonymous]

Again, twisting things around - I write "tea baggers" - ie the extreme of the extreme, like your "committed leftists" - and you take that as interchangeable with "Tea Party". Notice the difference? Say, the use of lower case and the lack of capitalization?

See, this is where you get in trouble and why the content of what you write is questionable. Here's the whole post;

Odd how the tea party folks weren't all that outraged when spending and deficits were soaring under Bush. Odd how they weren't outraged at the incredible waste in Iraq - how much have we spent there now? Could you imagine if Obama did something like this?

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun...lions-20110613

Man, you'd think that sending 21 cargo planes filled with $12 billion worth of shrink-wrapped cash, $6.6 billion of which simply disappeared, would've ****ed them off a bit, but nope, apparently not.

Odd that they weren't protesting the raising of the debt ceiling what, 7 times during the Bush years?

They really didn't seem to have much of a problem with all of the things that they're supposedly so mad about now that there's a black Democrat in the White House. Kinda makes one suspect that it's not the economy or the deficits or spending that really ****es off the tea baggers...

Again, your words.

If you want to try and convince this board that I'm "twisting" your words then be my guest.