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II guess I could post multitudes of quotes from the lefties critical of Obama and his administration/policies but I doubt if any of this matters. This is dump on Cain time. Last week it was dump on Perry.
It's been dump on Obama time for the past 3 years, 4 if you want to include the pre-election campaigning.

Why is this of any surprise to you? Guy/girl runs for office, becomes the front runner, people dig into their backgrounds, they find skeletons. Every word that comes out of their mouths are dissected and analyzed, and ever single one of them is going to be caught out saying something stupid. The difference with Cain is that nearly everything coming out of his mouth at the moment makes him sound like a complete moron. Besides, it's the Republicans that are in the spotlight, so really not surprising that they are the ones being analyzed. It was Perry's turn for a while, now it's Cain's, just as it was for Obama in '08 (and will be again in '12). It's been that way for every candidate at every level for pretty much ever.

btw if you're wondering where these stories are coming from all of a sudden, might want to ask yourself who has the most to gain from Perry and Cain going down.
 
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It's been dump on Obama time for the past 3 years, 4 if you want to include the pre-election campaigning.

Why is this of any surprise to you? Guy/girl runs for office, becomes the front runner, people dig into their backgrounds, they find skeletons. Every word that comes out of their mouths are dissected and analyzed, and ever single one of them is going to be caught out saying something stupid. The difference with Cain is that nearly everything coming out of his mouth at the moment makes him sound like a complete moron. Besides, it's the Republicans that are in the spotlight, so really not surprising that they are the ones being analyzed. It was Perry's turn for a while, now it's Cain's, just as it was for Obama in '08 (and will be again in '12). It's been that way for every candidate at every level for pretty much ever.

btw if you're wondering where these stories are coming from all of a sudden, might want to ask yourself who has the most to gain from Perry and Cain going down.

It's not a surprise. I just think it's a sad commentary.

There are some pretty big problems to try and solve yet we are just messing around with inconsequential BS, on both sides.

I'm not so sure I'd point the finger at Romney. Perry has shot himself in the foot but this sexual harassment stuff is coming from the left (I'm guessing).

I don't think the Obama campaign knows how to deal with Cain. The funny part is doing nothing will probably be the best tactic. Cain does not appear to be ready for the attention he's getting.
 
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Which means Britain and Italy, but in the latter case only because Berlusconi's in power.

I had forgotten all about it, but there are two laws, one from 1990 and one from 1994, which prohibit funding of any UN affiliated organization acknowledging statehood to Palestine (loosely speaking). Apparently, Obama doesn't have a choice, because there's no wriggle room for a presidential waiver or somesuch.

Which will be fun when Palestine seeks (and is likely granted) admittance to such organizations as the IAEA, the WHO etc. as M J Rosenberg points out.

I'm pretty sure State Department is mightily pleased with those congressional shackles from the early 1990s (not).
 
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Iran doesn’t “pose a serious threat to us”

Obama pleaded ignorance of the decades-old, multibillion-dollar massive Hanford nuclear-waste cleanup: “Here’s something that you will rarely hear from a politician, and that is that I’m not familiar with the Hanford, uuuuhh, site, so I don’t know exactly what’s going on there. (Applause.) Now, having said that, I promise you I’ll learn about it by the time I leave here on the ride back to the airport.”

Obama showed off his knowledge of the war in Afghanistan by homing in on a lack of translators: “We only have a certain number of them, and if they are all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them in Afghanistan.” The real reason it’s “harder for us to use them” in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages.


“There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Ala., because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born.”

Obama was born in 1961. The Selma march took place in 1965.


Explaining why he was trailing Hillary Clinton in Kentucky, Obama again botched basic geography: “Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it’s not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle.”


“Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”



"One such translator was an American of Haitian descent, representative of the extraordinary work that our men and women in uniform do all around the world -- Navy Corpse-Man Christian Brossard." –mispronouncing "Corpsman" (the "ps" is silent) during a speech at the National Prayer Breakfast, Washington, D.C., Feb. 5, 2010


"The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries."

"UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems." –attempting to make the case for government-run healthcare, while simultaneously undercutting his own argument, Portsmouth, N.H., Aug. 11, 2009

"It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing." --confusing German for "Austrian," a language which does not exist, Strasbourg, France, April 6, 2009

"No, no. I have been practicing...I bowled a 129. It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something." --making an off-hand joke during an appearance on "The Tonight Show", March 19, 2009 (Obama later called the head of the Special Olympics to apologize)

"What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith..." --in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, who jumped in to correct Obama by saying "your Christian faith," which Obama quickly clarified

"Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee -- which is my committee -- a bill to call for divestment from Iran as way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon." --referring to a committee he is not on, Sderot, Israel, July 23, 2008

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." --on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people


Google "obama gaffes".


I guess I could post multitudes of quotes from the lefties critical of Obama and his administration/policies but I doubt if any of this matters. This is dump on Cain time. Last week it was dump on Perry.

Could you please link to these gaffes. As far as I know, Google isn't a source. And these are the best ones you had Google find for you from a man who has been in public office since 1997?

Once the quotes are referenced, I will dissect them further.

Keep on dumping (you forgot "i-say-stupid-stuff-whenever-I-open-my-mouth-Bachman") I say, it's hilarious.

Why is no one dumping on Huntsman you think? Could it be he doesn't say stupid stuff?
 
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There are some pretty big problems to try and solve yet we are just messing around with inconsequential BS, on both sides.
I agree that we do spend WAY too much time on inconsequential BS - even the "debates" are a joke (never mind the inanity of so many of the questions asked, but how in the world is anyone supposed to articulate any sort of policy in 60 seconds??) But isn't it usually the right that says things like "character matters"? Certainly was a big deal when Kerry and Obama were running. Certainly was a big deal re: Bill Clinton. Not sure why it becomes "inconsequential BS" when applied to R candidates.

But having said that, sexual harassment, I would say, is not by any means "inconsequential BS".

EDIT: btw, would you include ACORN, Bill Ayers/Weathermen, Black Panthers, Michelle Obama's 1985 thesis, birth certificate, Indonesian schooling, etc etc etc as "inconsequential BS"? Cause conservatives seemed rather hung up on that stuff in '08.

I'm not so sure I'd point the finger at Romney. Perry has shot himself in the foot but this sexual harassment stuff is coming from the left (I'm guessing).
Oh I'm not pointing the finger at anyone, just noting that Romney is the one who stands to gain the most immediate benefit. Occum's razor and all.

I don't think the Obama campaign knows how to deal with Cain. The funny part is doing nothing will probably be the best tactic. Cain does not appear to be ready for the attention he's getting.
I think they know exactly how to deal with Cain (and Perry and all of the others save Romney) - ignore them and let them sink themselves. And focus on Romney.
 
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Sorry, Vitter is just too hard to pass up. ;)

But isn't that basically true of any state? Republicans still have some influence in traditional Dem-controlled states like MA, Dems still have some say in Utah, etc. It must be incredibly frustrating, though, to be part of the minority party in a state dominated by the other, like a Dem in LA, so I guess they have to look for ways to be heard wherever they can.

Well I agree and that is what I was trying to point at. ChrisE thinks that there is no point in voting. Well as usual he is wrong. :p
 
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I had forgotten all about it, but there are two laws, one from 1990 and one from 1994, which prohibit funding of any UN affiliated organization acknowledging statehood to Palestine (loosely speaking). Apparently, Obama doesn't have a choice, because there's no wriggle room for a presidential waiver or somesuch.

Which will be fun when Palestine seeks (and is likely granted) admittance to such organizations as the IAEA, the WHO etc. as M J Rosenberg points out.

I'm pretty sure State Department is mightily pleased with those congressional shackles from the early 1990s (not).

Does that mean that Forest Whitaker, UNESCO Goodwill Ambassador for Peace and Reconciliation, will soon be out of a job?
 
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Could you please link to these gaffes. As far as I know, Google isn't a source. And these are the best ones you had Google find for you from a man who has been in public office since 1997?

Once the quotes are referenced, I will dissect them further.

Keep on dumping (you forgot "i-say-stupid-stuff-whenever-I-open-my-mouth-Bachman") I say, it's hilarious.

Why is no one dumping on Huntsman you think? Could it be he doesn't say stupid stuff?

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama-isms.htm

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44749

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/224544/barack-gaffes/michelle-malkin

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-07-25/opinion/frum.obama.mistakes_1_president-barack-obama-bush-tax-cuts-debt-problem?_s=PM:OPINION

This stuff is prevalent.

Why is no one dumping on Huntsman you think? Could it be he doesn't say stupid stuff?

Even if he said stupid stuff no one is listening.

CNN, which is hosting a debate in Las Vegas on Oct. 18, has set criteria for participation that Mr. Huntsman — at this point — has not managed to meet.

The network has said candidates must reach an average level of support of 2 percent in three separate polls by news organizations published since Sept. 1. Mr. Huntsman has reached 2 percent in two polls, but has been at 1 percent in the rest.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/26/huntsman-spot-in-oct-18-debate-endangered/

Doesn't look like you guys are going to get to choose our candidate. Of course there's speculation that Huntsman may go the Perot route.
 
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Actually, I don't even know why I wanted you to elucidate/reference those comments, because the topic of conversation was Cain saying stupid stuff and allegations of racism, for calling him out for saying stupid stuff...

You managed to slip in Obama pretty sneakily!

Another nugget from Cain:

Q: At one point, when the question of Planned Parenthood came up, you said it wasn’t ‘Planned Parenthood,’ it was really ‘planned genocide,’ because you said Planned Parenthood was trying to put all these centers in black neighborhoods because they wanted to kill black babies before they were born. Do you still stand by that?

A: I still stand by that.

Q: Do you have any proof that that was the objective of Planned Parenthood?


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Could you please link to these gaffes. As far as I know, Google isn't a source. And these are the best ones you had Google find for you from a man who has been in public office since 1997?
Once the quotes are referenced, I will dissect them further.

Keep on dumping (you forgot "i-say-stupid-stuff-whenever-I-open-my-mouth-Bachman") I say, it's hilarious.

Why is no one dumping on Huntsman you think? Could it be he doesn't say stupid stuff?


SO you are saying that that President Obama does not have any stupid things he said? He is above the stupid stuff? So you do not want to discuss them unless there is a verifiable quote? I am sure if Scott in "SO CALL" wants to he could find much more.
Anyhow I have to go now. My management is trying to kick me out of my office. They keep going on and on about this is not a place to defecate/urinate/fornicate/dope up/ sleep over etc. They are really trying to bring down my preoccupation!(OSBM) It is me the .00000001 percent going up against the giant machine. They just turned down my demand to get past the blog filter and the utupes filter on the interwebs. :mad:
 
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Actually, I don't even know why I wanted you to elucidate/reference those comments, because the topic of conversation was Cain saying stupid stuff and allegations of racism, for calling him out for saying stupid stuff...

You managed to slip in Obama pretty sneakily!

No I thought the topic around here was smash Scott? :p

Anyhow the thread is General Politics and as far as I know President Obama is a Socialist who smokes cig's and has a general lack of common "cents". :eek:
 
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I agree that we do spend WAY too much time on inconsequential BS - even the "debates" are a joke (never mind the inanity of so many of the questions asked, but how in the world is anyone supposed to articulate any sort of policy in 60 seconds??) But isn't it usually the right that says things like "character matters"? Certainly was a big deal when Kerry and Obama were running. Certainly was a big deal re: Bill Clinton. Not sure why it becomes "inconsequential BS" when applied to R candidates.

But having said that, sexual harassment, I would say, is not by any means "inconsequential BS".

EDIT: btw, would you include ACORN, Bill Ayers/Weathermen, Black Panthers, Michelle Obama's 1985 thesis, birth certificate, Indonesian schooling, etc etc etc as "inconsequential BS"? Cause conservatives seemed rather hung up on that stuff in '08.

Oh I'm not pointing the finger at anyone, just noting that Romney is the one who stands to gain the most immediate benefit. Occum's razor and all.

I think they know exactly how to deal with Cain (and Perry and all of the others save Romney) - ignore them and let them sink themselves. And focus on Romney.

Certainly was a big deal re: Bill Clinton. Not sure why it becomes "inconsequential BS" when applied to R candidates.

But having said that, sexual harassment, I would say, is not by any means "inconsequential BS".


Hopefully you are not equating what Cain is accused of (use the worst that we think we know) and Clinton.

I think it's fair to ask questions of all the candidates. I think it's fair to pursue Cain and these allegations. But, so far, this is pretty thin;

The sources — including the recollections of close associates and other documentation — describe episodes that left the women upset and offended. These incidents include conversations allegedly filled with innuendo or personal questions of a sexually suggestive nature, taking place at hotels during conferences, at other officially sanctioned restaurant association events and at the association’s offices. There were also descriptions of physical gestures that were not overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or witnessed them uncomfortable and that they regarded as improper in a professional relationship.

Gestures that were not overtly sexual. That's some pretty hard hitting stuff.

In one case, POLITICO has seen documentation describing the allegations and showing that the restaurant association formally resolved the matter. Both women received separation packages that were in the five-figure range.

Whoa. The FIVE FIGURE range. Sounds like it included or was entirely a severance deal. Either way, this is not impressive.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html
 
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Actually, I don't even know why I wanted you to elucidate/reference those comments, because the topic of conversation was Cain saying stupid stuff and allegations of racism, for calling him out for saying stupid stuff...

You managed to slip in Obama pretty sneakily!

Another nugget from Cain:

The point is everybody says stupid ****. It does not make them stupid necessarily (unless, of course, the person holds views right of center).
 
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Scott SoCal said:
The point is everybody say stupid ****. It does not make them stupid necessarily (unless, of course, the person holds views right of center).

Yes, because in all those aforementioned instances, Cain simply "misspoke".
 
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ssdd.............

You can say whatever you want around here unless you say anything about President Obama / The Democrats that is negative. And also please do not mention you like to make money while working a job and keep any of it. :eek::cool:
 
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Hopefully you are not equating what Cain is accused of (use the worst that we think we know) and Clinton.
Clinton's was consensual. A stupid thing to do, but still consensual. (And if you're referring to Paula Jones, that was even thinner than the allegations against Cain.)

I think it's fair to ask questions of all the candidates. I think it's fair to pursue Cain and these allegations. But, so far, this is pretty thin;
Either "character matters" or it doesn't. Conservatives can't have it both ways - it can't just apply to our guys. Though judging from the fact that David Vitter is still around, apparently it does.
 
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Yes, because in all those aforementioned instances, Cain simply "misspoke".

FFS, Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid... Political leadership on both sides is full of this kind of thing.

It does make me wonder why all this attention is on Cain. I think you guys might be showing your hand a little.
 
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The point is everybody says stupid ****. It does not make them stupid necessarily (unless, of course, the person holds views right of center).
Ah, right back to your default - absolutes.

If you say something stupid, it doesn't mean you're stupid. If you repeatedly say stupid things, still doesn't necessarily make you stupid - Biden says stupid things all the time, but he's not stupid - but jeez, if you do say a lot of stupid things, don't be shocked and surprised when the repeatedly stupid things you say show up in the media and people start thinking that you might not be so bright. And Cain says a LOT of stupid things.
 
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It does make me wonder why all this attention is on Cain. I think you guys might be showing your hand a little.
And I think you guys are getting a little frustrated with your candidates.

As it is, I'd far prefer Cain be the Republican candidate than Romney. Don't think it's possible to stress that enough.
 
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Clinton's was consensual. A stupid thing to do, but still consensual. (And if you're referring to Paula Jones, that was even thinner than the allegations against Cain.)

Either "character matters" or it doesn't. Conservatives can't have it both ways - it can't just apply to our guys. Though judging from the fact that David Vitter is still around, apparently it does.

(And if you're referring to Paula Jones, that was even thinner than the allegations against Cain.)

Don't forget the sexual assault allegations from Willey and Broaddrick. In Broaddrick's case, it was a rape accusation.


Either "character matters" or it doesn't.

Yep, it matters.
 
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Ah, right back to your default - absolutes.

If you say something stupid, it doesn't mean you're stupid. If you repeatedly say stupid things, still doesn't necessarily make you stupid - Biden says stupid things all the time, but he's not stupid - but jeez, if you do say a lot of stupid things, don't be shocked and surprised when the repeatedly stupid things you say show up in the media and people start thinking that you might not be so bright. And Cain says a LOT of stupid things.

Ah, right back to your default - absolutes.

Couldn't get that one by you. I guess Ima gonna have to get a little more stealthy.

And Cain says a LOT of stupid things.

Perhaps, but to you everyone on the right says stupid things.













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