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Scott SoCal said:
....here is what I have....I have somebody waving a fluff piece in my face and trying to tell me its the word of gawd...
...you know at your best you come across like a smart passionate guy who has a nice way with the written word...at your worst, like now, when you are just huffing and puffing, you try to bluster and bully your way into a winning position...frankly its pathetic, and disappointing, because you know, you are actually too damn smart to be arguing such a patently dumb point...or maybe you are not...you just may be a gifted debater and fighting for the point is all you really care for...
...let me reiterate...its a crappy self-serving article by a business publication, who by the way, if they were really good, would have seen the financial melt-down coming from a long way off thru their superior insight and intellect and their seemingly special place within the world of business...they apparently got blind-sided like everybody ( or maybe they were sneaky smart, saw it coming, kept their mouths shut and shorted everything...and in that case they are just crooks )...and I will betcha the same thing happened to them with the dot-bomb thingee...
...if you are going to make a contentious point at least use something that is credible from a credible source...its sort of like asking someone to believe anything Moody's says after their work immediately prior to the financial melt-down...
Cheers
blutto
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Scott SoCal said:
...actually there are several meanings ascribed to the word conspiracy...and the one that I feel best suits the situation is the following...
any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.
...or it could well be something a bit more strongly worded, as is the following...
an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
...and please no homilies about Adam Smith's shop keepers...the big business community in the USA is very much on the same page about very actively promoting a very particular business friendly environment in which to operate...and guess what, the business media is an important part of that promotion....and towing the company line makes them a lot of money....and to be completely honest about it, Pravda, in its hey-day, had nothing on these guys....
Cheers
blutto
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Scott SoCal said:
Πλάτων
Τίμαιος
ΣΩΚΡΑΤΗΣ · ΤΙΜΑΙΟΣ · ΕΡΜΟΚΡΑΤΗΣ · ΚΡΙΤΙΑΣ
Σωκράτης
[17a] Εἷς, δύο, τρεῖς· ὁ δὲ δὴ τέταρτος ἡμῖν, ὦ φίλε Τίμαιε, ποῦ τῶν χθὲς μὲν δαιτυμόνων, τὰ νῦν δὲ ἑστιατόρων;
Τίμαιος
Ἀσθένειά τις αὐτῷ συνέπεσεν, ὦ Σώκρατες· οὐ γὰρ ἂν ἑκὼν τῆσδε ἀπελείπετο τῆς συνουσίας.
Σωκράτης
Οὐκοῦν σὸν τῶνδέ τε ἔργον καὶ τὸ ὑπὲρ τοῦ ἀπόντος ἀναπληροῦν μέρος;
Τίμαιος
[17b] Πάνυ μὲν οὖν, καὶ κατὰ δύναμίν γε οὐδὲν ἐλλείψομεν· οὐδὲ γὰρ ἂν εἴη δίκαιον, χθὲς ὑπὸ σοῦ ξενισθέντας οἷς ἦν πρέπον ξενίοις, μὴ οὐ προθύμως σὲ τοὺς λοιποὺς ἡμῶν ἀνταφεστιᾶν.
Σωκράτης
Ἆρ᾽ οὖν μέμνησθε ὅσα ὑμῖν καὶ περὶ ὧν ἐπέταξα εἰπεῖν;
Τίμαιος
Τὰ μὲν μεμνήμεθα, ὅσα δὲ μή, σὺ παρὼν ὑπομνήσεις· μᾶλλον δέ, εἰ μή τί σοι χαλεπόν, ἐξ ἀρχῆς διὰ βραχέων πάλιν ἐπάνελθε αὐτά, ἵνα βεβαιωθῇ μᾶλλον παρ᾽ ἡμῖν.
Σωκράτης
[17c] Ταῦτ᾽ ἔσται. χθές που τῶν ὑπ᾽ ἐμοῦ ῥηθέντων λόγων περὶ πολιτείας ἦν τὸ κεφάλαιον οἵα τε καὶ ἐξ οἵων ἀνδρῶν ἀρίστη κατεφαίνετ᾽ ἄν μοι γενέσθαι.
Τίμαιος
Καὶ μάλα γε ἡμῖν, ὦ Σώκρατες, ῥηθεῖσα πᾶσιν κατὰ νοῦν.
Σωκράτης
Ἆρ᾽ οὖν οὐ τὸ τῶν γεωργῶν ὅσαι τε ἄλλαι τέχναι πρῶτον ἐν αὐτῇ χωρὶς διειλόμεθα ἀπὸ τοῦ γένους τοῦ τῶν προπολεμησόντων;
Τίμαιος
Ναί.
Σωκράτης
Καὶ κατὰ φύσιν δὴ δόντες τὸ καθ᾽ αὑτὸν ἑκάστῳ [17d] πρόσφορον ἓν μόνον ἐπιτήδευμα, μίαν ἑκάστῳ τέχνην, τούτους οὓς πρὸ πάντων ἔδει πολεμεῖν, εἴπομεν ὡς ἄρ᾽ αὐτοὺς δέοι φύλακας εἶναι μόνον τῆς πόλεως, εἴτε τις ἔξωθεν ἢ καὶ τῶν ἔνδοθεν ἴοι κακουργήσων, δικάζοντας μὲν πρᾴως τοῖς [18a] ἀρχομένοις ὑπ᾽ αὐτῶν καὶ φύσει φίλοις οὖσιν, χαλεποὺς δὲ ἐν ταῖς μάχαις τοῖς ἐντυγχάνουσιν τῶν ἐχθρῶν γιγνομένους.
Τίμαιος
Παντάπασι μὲν οὖν.
Σωκράτης
Φύσιν γὰρ οἶμαί τινα τῶν φυλάκων τῆς ψυχῆς ἐλέγομεν ἅμα μὲν θυμοειδῆ, ἅμα δὲ φιλόσοφον δεῖν εἶναι διαφερόντως, ἵνα πρὸς ἑκατέρους δύναιντο ὀρθῶς πρᾷοι καὶ χαλεποὶ γίγνεσθαι.
Τίμαιος
Ναί.
Σωκράτης
Τί δὲ τροφήν; ἆρ᾽ οὐ γυμναστικῇ καὶ μουσικῇ μαθήμασίν τε ὅσα προσήκει τούτοις, ἐν ἅπασι τεθράφθαι;
Τίμαιος
Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
Σωκράτης
[18b] Τοὺς δέ γε οὕτω τραφέντας ἐλέχθη που μήτε χρυσὸν μήτε ἄργυρον μήτε ἄλλο ποτὲ μηδὲν κτῆμα ἑαυτῶν ἴδιον νομίζειν δεῖν, ἀλλ᾽ ὡς ἐπικούρους μισθὸν λαμβάνοντας τῆς φυλακῆς παρὰ τῶν σῳζομένων ὑπ᾽ αὐτῶν, ὅσος σώφροσιν μέτριος, ἀναλίσκειν τε δὴ κοινῇ καὶ συνδιαιτωμένους μετὰ ἀλλήλων ζῆν, ἐπιμέλειαν ἔχοντας ἀρετῆς διὰ παντός, τῶν ἄλλων ἐπιτηδευμάτων ἄγοντας σχολήν.
Τίμαιος
Ἐλέχθη καὶ ταῦτα ταύτῃ.
Σωκράτης
[18c] Καὶ μὲν δὴ καὶ περὶ γυναικῶν ἐπεμνήσθημεν, ὡς τὰς φύσεις τοῖς ἀνδράσιν παραπλησίας εἴη συναρμοστέον, καὶ τὰ ἐπιτηδεύματα πάντα κοινὰ κατά τε πόλεμον καὶ κατὰ τὴν ἄλλην δίαιταν δοτέον πάσαις.
Τίμαιος
Ταύτῃ καὶ ταῦτα ἐλέγετο.
Σωκράτης
Τί δὲ δὴ τὸ περὶ τῆς παιδοποιίας; ἢ τοῦτο μὲν διὰ τὴν ἀήθειαν τῶν λεχθέντων εὐμνημόνευτον, ὅτι κοινὰ τὰ τῶν γάμων καὶ τὰ τῶν παίδων πᾶσιν ἁπάντων ἐτίθεμεν, μηχανωμένους ὅπως μηδείς ποτε τὸ γεγενημένον αὐτῶν ἰδίᾳ γνώσοιτο, [18d] νομιοῦσιν δὲ πάντες πάντας αὐτοὺς ὁμογενεῖς, ἀδελφὰς μὲν καὶ ἀδελφοὺς ὅσοιπερ ἂν τῆς πρεπούσης ἐντὸς ἡλικίας γίγνωνται, τοὺς δ᾽ ἔμπροσθεν καὶ ἄνωθεν γονέας τε καὶ γονέων προγόνους, τοὺς δ᾽ εἰς τὸ κάτωθεν ἐκγόνους παῖδάς τε ἐκγόνων;
Τίμαιος
Ναί, καὶ ταῦτα εὐμνημόνευτα ᾗ λέγεις.
Σωκράτης
Ὅπως δὲ δὴ κατὰ δύναμιν εὐθὺς γίγνοιντο ὡς ἄριστοι τὰς φύσεις, ἆρ᾽ οὐ μεμνήμεθα ὡς τοὺς ἄρχοντας ἔφαμεν καὶ τὰς ἀρχούσας δεῖν εἰς τὴν τῶν γάμων σύνερξιν λάθρᾳ [18e] μηχανᾶσθαι κλήροις τισὶν ὅπως οἱ κακοὶ χωρὶς οἵ τ᾽ ἀγαθοὶ ταῖς ὁμοίαις ἑκάτεροι συλλήξονται, καὶ μή τις αὐτοῖς ἔχθρα διὰ ταῦτα γίγνηται, τύχην ἡγουμένοις αἰτίαν τῆς συλλήξεως;
Τίμαιος
Μεμνήμεθα.
Σωκράτης
[19a] Καὶ μὴν ὅτι γε τὰ μὲν τῶν ἀγαθῶν θρεπτέον ἔφαμεν εἶναι, τὰ δὲ τῶν κακῶν εἰς τὴν ἄλλην λάθρᾳ διαδοτέον πόλιν· ἐπαυξανομένων δὲ σκοποῦντας ἀεὶ τοὺς ἀξίους πάλιν ἀνάγειν δεῖν, τοὺς δὲ παρὰ σφίσιν ἀναξίους εἰς τὴν τῶν ἐπανιόντων χώραν μεταλλάττειν;
Τίμαιος
Οὕτως.
Σωκράτης
Ἆρ᾽ οὖν δὴ διεληλύθαμεν ἤδη καθάπερ χθές, ὡς ἐν κεφαλαίοις πάλιν ἐπανελθεῖν, ἢ ποθοῦμεν ἔτι τι τῶν ῥηθέντων, ὦ φίλε Γίμαιε, ὡς ἀπολειπόμενον;
Τίμαιος
[19b] Οὐδαμῶς, ἀλλὰ αὐτὰ ταῦτ᾽ ἦν τὰ λεχθέντα, ὦ Σώκρατες.
Σωκράτης
Ἀκούοιτ᾽ ἂν ἤδη τὰ μετὰ ταῦτα περὶ τῆς πολιτείας ἣν διήλθομεν, οἷόν τι πρὸς αὐτὴν πεπονθὼς τυγχάνω. προσέοικεν δὲ δή τινί μοι τοιῷδε τὸ πάθος, οἷον εἴ τις ζῷα καλά που θεασάμενος, εἴτε ὑπὸ γραφῆς εἰργασμένα εἴτε καὶ ζῶντα ἀληθινῶς ἡσυχίαν δὲ ἄγοντα, εἰς ἐπιθυμίαν ἀφίκοιτο θεάσασθαι κινούμενά τε αὐτὰ καί τι τῶν τοῖς σώμασιν δοκούντων [19c] προσήκειν κατὰ τὴν ἀγωνίαν ἀθλοῦντα· ταὐτὸν καὶ ἐγὼ πέπονθα πρὸς τὴν πόλιν ἣν διήλθομεν. ἡδέως γὰρ ἄν του λόγῳ διεξιόντος ἀκούσαιμ᾽ ἂν ἄθλους οὓς πόλις ἀθλεῖ, τούτους αὐτὴν ἀγωνιζομένην πρὸς πόλεις ἄλλας, πρεπόντως εἴς τε πόλεμον ἀφικομένην καὶ ἐν τῷ πολεμεῖν τὰ προσήκοντα ἀποδιδοῦσαν τῇ παιδείᾳ καὶ τροφῇ κατά τε τὰς ἐν τοῖς ἔργοις πράξεις καὶ κατὰ τὰς ἐν τοῖς λόγοις διερμηνεύσεις πρὸς ἑκάστας τῶν πόλεων. ταῦτ᾽ οὖν, ὦ Κριτία καὶ Ἑρμόκρατες, [19d] ἐμαυτοῦ μὲν αὐτὸς κατέγνωκα μή ποτ᾽ ἂν δυνατὸς γενέσθαι τοὺς ἄνδρας καὶ τὴν πόλιν ἱκανῶς ἐγκωμιάσαι. καὶ τὸ μὲν ἐμὸν οὐδὲν θαυμαστόν· ἀλλὰ τὴν αὐτὴν δόξαν εἴληφα καὶ περὶ τῶν πάλαι γεγονότων καὶ περὶ τῶν νῦν ὄντων ποιητῶν, οὔτι τὸ ποιητικὸν ἀτιμάζων γένος, ἀλλὰ παντὶ δῆλον ὡς τὸ μιμητικὸν ἔθνος, οἷς ἂν ἐντραφῇ, ταῦτα μιμήσεται ῥᾷστα καὶ ἄριστα, τὸ δ᾽ ἐκτὸς τῆς τροφῆς ἑκάστοις [19e] γιγνόμενον χαλεπὸν μὲν ἔργοις, ἔτι δὲ χαλεπώτερον λόγοις εὖ μιμεῖσθαι. τὸ δὲ τῶν σοφιστῶν γένος αὖ πολλῶν μὲν λόγων καὶ καλῶν ἄλλων μάλ᾽ ἔμπειρον ἥγημαι, φοβοῦμαι δὲ μή πως, ἅτε πλανητὸν ὂν κατὰ πόλεις οἰκήσεις τε ἰδίας οὐδαμῇ διῳκηκός, ἄστοχον ἅμα φιλοσόφων ἀνδρῶν ᾖ καὶ πολιτικῶν, ὅσ᾽ ἂν οἷά τε ἐν πολέμῳ καὶ μάχαις πράττοντες ἔργῳ καὶ λόγῳ προσομιλοῦντες ἑκάστοις πράττοιεν καὶ λέγοιεν. καταλέλειπται δὴ τὸ τῆς ὑμετέρας ἕξεως γένος, [20a] ἅμα ἀμφοτέρων φύσει καὶ τροφῇ μετέχον. Τίμαιός τε γὰρ ὅδε, εὐνομωτάτης ὢν πόλεως τῆς ἐν Ἰταλίᾳ Λοκρίδος, οὐσίᾳ καὶ γένει οὐδενὸς ὕστερος ὢν τῶν ἐκεῖ, τὰς μεγίστας μὲν ἀρχάς τε καὶ τιμὰς τῶν ἐν τῇ πόλει μετακεχείρισται, φιλοσοφίας δ᾽ αὖ κατ᾽ ἐμὴν δόξαν ἐπ᾽ ἄκρον ἁπάσης ἐλήλυθεν· Κριτίαν δέ που πάντες οἱ τῇδε ἴσμεν οὐδενὸς ἰδιώτην ὄντα ὧν λέγομεν. τῆς δὲ Ἑρμοκράτους αὖ περὶ φύσεως καὶ τροφῆς, πρὸς ἅπαντα ταῦτ᾽ εἶναι ἱκανὴν πολλῶν μαρτυρούντων [20b] πιστευτέον. διὸ καὶ χθὲς ἐγὼ διανοούμενος, ὑμῶν δεομένων τὰ περὶ τῆς πολιτείας διελθεῖν, προθύμως ἐχαριζόμην, εἰδὼς ὅτι τὸν ἑξῆς λόγον οὐδένες ἂν ὑμῶν ἐθελόντων ἱκανώτερον ἀποδοῖεν –εἰς γὰρ πόλεμον πρέποντα καταστήσαντες τὴν πόλιν ἅπαντ᾽ αὐτῇ τὰ προσήκοντα ἀποδοῖτ᾽ ἂν μόνοι τῶν νῦν– εἰπὼν δὴ τἀπιταχθέντα ἀντεπέταξα ὑμῖν ἃ καὶ νῦν λέγω. συνωμολογήσατ᾽ οὖν κοινῇ σκεψάμενοι πρὸς ὑμᾶς [20c] αὐτοὺς εἰς νῦν ἀνταποδώσειν μοι τὰ τῶν λόγων ξένια, πάρειμί τε οὖν δὴ κεκοσμημένος ἐπ᾽ αὐτὰ καὶ πάντων ἑτοιμότατος ὢν δέχεσθαι.
Ἑρμοκράτης
Καὶ μὲν δή, καθάπερ εἶπεν Τίμαιος ὅδε, ὦ Σώκρατες, οὔτε ἐλλείψομεν προθυμίας οὐδὲν οὔτε ἔστιν οὐδεμία πρόφασις ἡμῖν τοῦ μὴ δρᾶν ταῦτα· ὥστε καὶ χθές, εὐθὺς ἐνθένδε ἐπειδὴ παρὰ Κριτίαν πρὸς τὸν ξενῶνα οὗ καὶ καταλύομεν ἀφικόμεθα, καὶ ἔτι πρότερον καθ᾽ ὁδὸν αὐτὰ ταῦτ᾽ ἐσκοποῦμεν. [20d] ὅδε οὖν ἡμῖν λόγον εἰσηγήσατο ἐκ παλαιᾶς ἀκοῆς· ὃν καὶ νῦν λέγε, ὦ Κριτία, τῷδε, ἵνα συνδοκιμάσῃ πρὸς τὴν ἐπίταξιν εἴτ᾽ ἐπιτήδειος εἴτε ἀνεπιτήδειός ἐστι.
Κριτίας
Ταῦτα χρὴ δρᾶν, εἰ καὶ τῷ τρίτῳ κοινωνῷ Τιμαίῳ συνδοκεῖ.
Τίμαιος
Δοκεῖ μήν.
Κριτίας
Ἄκουε δή, ὦ Σώκρατες, λόγου μάλα μὲν ἀτόπου, παντάπασί γε μὴν ἀληθοῦς, ὡς ὁ τῶν ἑπτὰ σοφώτατος [20e] Σόλων ποτ᾽ ἔφη. ἦν μὲν οὖν οἰκεῖος καὶ σφόδρα φίλος ἡμῖν Δρωπίδου τοῦ προπάππου, καθάπερ λέγει πολλαχοῦ καὶ αὐτὸς ἐν τῇ ποιήσει· πρὸς δὲ Κριτίαν τὸν ἡμέτερον πάππον εἶπεν, ὡς ἀπεμνημόνευεν αὖ πρὸς ἡμᾶς ὁ γέρων, ὅτι μεγάλα καὶ θαυμαστὰ τῆσδ᾽ εἴη παλαιὰ ἔργα τῆς πόλεως ὑπὸ χρόνου καὶ φθορᾶς ἀνθρώπων ἠφανισμένα, πάντων δὲ ἓν μέγιστον, [21a] οὗ νῦν ἐπιμνησθεῖσιν πρέπον ἂν ἡμῖν εἴη σοί τε ἀποδοῦναι χάριν καὶ τὴν θεὸν ἅμα ἐν τῇ πανηγύρει δικαίως τε καὶ ἀληθῶς οἷόνπερ ὑμνοῦντας ἐγκωμιάζειν.
- Apr 2, 2009
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Of course the whole contentious debate over whether or not to tax capital gains more, or whether or not such gains should be considered earnings, or to tax the rich more or not, or whether this strategy or that one is better for the economy and what will get us out of the economic downturn, be it more spending or stricter austerity measures, is entirely irrelevant to me.
Appart from how disenchanted such mental drudgery makes me, let's say that in the economic field we are in a sort of transition between the industrial age of democracy and the successive phase; where industrial democracy had concerned itself chiefly with production, the economy depended upon the constant increase of production and the great demorcatic tension was between the need for economic policies in the interests of industry, to be ballanced against those which favored the needs of the citizen and, at the same time, allowed him to perceive that his rights were being protected under the same simplistic industrial logic of production and profit.
So you see its all about making the economy grow, infinately, and under the aegis of government, even if that meant subordinating the interests of society to those of business and profit. At the same time people were made to believe that there's were happy lives, by being able to go shopping: consume, buying power, it seemed, was the highest gratification and measure of success. And this became the standard criteria against which all other forms of liberty would be based.
Entire cities would come to a grinding hault, if a new bulk retail center opened early morning during the work week at the periphery offering irrefutable bargains, the vigilant people crazed with determination to purchase something, as if this were there life goal, before the stocks ran out. Not one of them, however, not even one, stopped for a momentary reflection to consider their state of mental health.
How can we applaud this, I've thought, and at the same time feel that we are sane?
Appart from how disenchanted such mental drudgery makes me, let's say that in the economic field we are in a sort of transition between the industrial age of democracy and the successive phase; where industrial democracy had concerned itself chiefly with production, the economy depended upon the constant increase of production and the great demorcatic tension was between the need for economic policies in the interests of industry, to be ballanced against those which favored the needs of the citizen and, at the same time, allowed him to perceive that his rights were being protected under the same simplistic industrial logic of production and profit.
So you see its all about making the economy grow, infinately, and under the aegis of government, even if that meant subordinating the interests of society to those of business and profit. At the same time people were made to believe that there's were happy lives, by being able to go shopping: consume, buying power, it seemed, was the highest gratification and measure of success. And this became the standard criteria against which all other forms of liberty would be based.
Entire cities would come to a grinding hault, if a new bulk retail center opened early morning during the work week at the periphery offering irrefutable bargains, the vigilant people crazed with determination to purchase something, as if this were there life goal, before the stocks ran out. Not one of them, however, not even one, stopped for a momentary reflection to consider their state of mental health.
How can we applaud this, I've thought, and at the same time feel that we are sane?
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"We put a thousand elite bankers in jail"
"We put a thousand elite bankers in jail"
""Bill Black at OWS, talking about the results of the S&L crisis of years past.
To put it in perspective, as he says, the control fraud that brought us our current crisis was 70 TIMES the size of that scandal. 2 million documented cases of fraud, the vast majority mortgage originators who put the "liar" in "liar's loan". And no one has gone to jail. Yet.
Instead we let them sit in their offices and laugh at the people in the parks, at the Marine laying in the hospital.
Maybe we can work on that.""
http://www.correntewire.com/bill_black_at_ows_we_put_more_than_a_thousand_elite_bankers_in_jail
"We put a thousand elite bankers in jail"
""Bill Black at OWS, talking about the results of the S&L crisis of years past.
To put it in perspective, as he says, the control fraud that brought us our current crisis was 70 TIMES the size of that scandal. 2 million documented cases of fraud, the vast majority mortgage originators who put the "liar" in "liar's loan". And no one has gone to jail. Yet.
Instead we let them sit in their offices and laugh at the people in the parks, at the Marine laying in the hospital.
Maybe we can work on that.""
http://www.correntewire.com/bill_black_at_ows_we_put_more_than_a_thousand_elite_bankers_in_jail
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If anyone was wondering "this is herman cain"... He is taking after Romney, a 'as a perfectly lubricated weathervane' (Huntsman's words...)
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TPM: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/10/cain_timeline_work_in_progress.php?ref=fpblg
1. Politico allegations are false. Story is crap.
2. Yes, there were allegations. But they were false.
3. Yes there were allegations that were false and I don't know what money was paid.
4. I don't know whether money was paid. And it would be wrong for me to find out whether money was paid because it's confidential.
5. There was a in-depth investigation. And I was cleared. But I don't know anything about it.
6. Here's the gesture that led to my getting accused of harassment.
7. Okay, I remember some discussion of a settlement number.
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And then we haven't talked about the apparent campaign finance irregularities... Bloch's non-profit organization making payments to the friends of Cain fund...
WAPO source
He's a clown.
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TPM: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/10/cain_timeline_work_in_progress.php?ref=fpblg
1. Politico allegations are false. Story is crap.
2. Yes, there were allegations. But they were false.
3. Yes there were allegations that were false and I don't know what money was paid.
4. I don't know whether money was paid. And it would be wrong for me to find out whether money was paid because it's confidential.
5. There was a in-depth investigation. And I was cleared. But I don't know anything about it.
6. Here's the gesture that led to my getting accused of harassment.
7. Okay, I remember some discussion of a settlement number.
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And then we haven't talked about the apparent campaign finance irregularities... Bloch's non-profit organization making payments to the friends of Cain fund...
WAPO source
He's a clown.
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"It's outrageous the way liberals treat a black conservative," columnist Ann Coulter said on Fox News. "This is another high-tech lynching."
....but the way conservatives treat a black 'liberal' is perfectly ok.
Cain reveals new details about harassment cases, admits settlement
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...-to-alleged-inappropriate-behavior/?hpt=hp_t2
....but the way conservatives treat a black 'liberal' is perfectly ok.Cain reveals new details about harassment cases, admits settlement
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...-to-alleged-inappropriate-behavior/?hpt=hp_t2
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....but the way conservatives treat a black 'liberal' is perfectly ok.Cain reveals new details about harassment cases, admits settlement
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...-to-alleged-inappropriate-behavior/?hpt=hp_t2
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Politicians in the USA are big effing LOSERS...
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Either they are sexually immoral or they are making up smack about other politicians being sexually immoral.
Either they are sexually immoral or they are making up smack about other politicians being sexually immoral.
Greece to have referendum on the aid package.
Referendum draws threats from Germany
Greek Opposition calls for early elections
It's better to pack this guy off, but is it essential to advance elections by a whole year. Not sure, but there doesn't seem like a way back for Papandreou's govt.
Referendum draws threats from Germany
Greek Opposition calls for early elections
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15537365
It's better to pack this guy off, but is it essential to advance elections by a whole year. Not sure, but there doesn't seem like a way back for Papandreou's govt.
Kyrgyz president-elect wants U.S. air base closed
He wasn't the most pro Russian presidential candidate in the election. I genuinely believe that Kyrgyzstan don't want a US base on their soil. The most pro Russian leader was Felix Kulov, Russian by descent and language and also a former red army Colonel.
He wasn't the most pro Russian presidential candidate in the election. I genuinely believe that Kyrgyzstan don't want a US base on their soil. The most pro Russian leader was Felix Kulov, Russian by descent and language and also a former red army Colonel.
blutto said:
Lessee, I posted this to a forum, you chose to read and respond. I didn't waive **** in front of you and I damn sure didn't tell you it was the word from gawd. You responded with your typical snarkyness... all I did was ask you for something other than your opinion. Apparently that is a challenge for you.
That's the second time I have been accused of being a 'bully' on this thread. I find this almost funny.
If the point of the article was/is wrong then fine. Show me.
I didn't ask you to believe anything. There's nothing in the world that would change your opinion.
See, normally, one would not respond to somone/something so utterly beneath them... bad source, bad material... usually in a debate someone in your position will post something to the contrary and argue their point. That's usually how it works, or you just move on and condescend to someone else.
VeloCity said:
Wasn't talking about those. How about the clips of Cain "knowing his place"? "I wonder if Herman Cain even knows how to spell Iraq"?
The general 'Cain is dumb' mantra. You see no racism here?
I don't BTW. I just find it amazing how the definition of racism changes depending on political views, because if ANY conservative had asked if BO was smart enough to spell Iraq, or if BO 'knows his place' I can only imagine the melt down on your side.
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Scott SoCal said:
They could hardly getaway with that, could they?
Instead, your lot questioned his citizenship, questioned the legitimacy of his birth certificate, and even suggested that he's a closet muslim.
Nope, no racism there.
Amsterhammer said:They could hardly getaway with that, could they?
Instead, your lot questioned his citizenship, questioned the legitimacy of his birth certificate, and even suggested that he's a closet muslim.
Nope, no racism there.
Yes, but only one side is actually racist, right?
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Scott SoCal said:
By and large, on the whole, in more cases than not, yes, right wingers are more often racist than those on the other side of the US political spectrum. This does not mean that there are no liberals or left-leaning people who are not secretly racist, I'm sure there must be some. But, on the whole, etc. racism contradicts the core beliefs of people on the liberal/left, whereas racism is an integral part of US (extreme) right wing ideology. Yes, this also does not mean that every right winger is a racist.
Satisfied? Now, stand up and admit for once that racism is far more prevalent among 'your' lot than among 'our' lot.
Amsterhammer said:
Umm, I probably disagree with this post moe than any other post you have written.
I don't think 'my' lot is more or less racist, bigoted, homophobic, sexist, or stupid than your 'lot'.
Certainly there are crazies on 'my' side just as there are crazies on 'your' side. The major difference is (to me) is many on 'your' side think the worst first. It can't possibly be we disagree on substance... oh no. The opposition must be something sinister.
That's just how things are, I suppose.
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Scott SoCal said:
They might be talking about Fannie & Freddie and title their piece 'housing crisis', but that's akin to not seeing the forest because of all the trees.
The decline in the housing market would not have brought Lehman, AIG etc. over the edge if they hadn't over-leveraged their bets in the gigantic (meaning 100 times bigger) derivatives market.
That leverage created a situation so unstable that even a small correction in the market could bring some of the world's largest financial companies to/across the edge of bankruptcy.
If you want to argue that evil minorities together with a socialist government conspired to bring the whole financial sector down by collectively defaulting on what everybody called 'NINJA' loans, you're very welcome. Nobody here should confuse that with reality, though. The ones to blame are the 'experts' who created the instability in the first place.
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