World Politics

[auscyclefan94]

My point was that ACF was saying everyone in the education system in Australia is left wing. I was subtly trying to imply that maybe it's just more likely that highly educated people are left wing, because they are more likely to understand the nuances of complex problems, and that they can't be distilled into simple campaign slogans that appeal to the masses.

That's hilarious, "left-wing people are more educated". No, more "left-wing people" are paid by the public purse. Most of those who have a "right-wing" disposition generally go into the private sector.

 

[darwin553]

That's hilarious, "left-wing people are more educated". No, more "left-wing people" are paid by the public purse. Most of those who have a "right-wing" disposition generally go into the private sector.

Because they tend to practice what they preach in wanting smaller government

 

[auscyclefan94]

President Yudhoyono: "Both countries (Indonesia and Australia) are victims of people smuggling". Where is the leftie love media making a big deal over the fact that the recent press conference between Abbott and Yudhoyono showing that they are on a unity ticket on Immigration?

 

[darwin553]

President Yudhoyono: "Both countries (Indonesia and Australia) are victims of people smuggling". Where is the leftie love media making a big deal over the fact that the recent press conference between Abbott and Yudhoyono showing that they are on a unity ticket on Immigration?

I think many lefties will underestimate Abbott's diplomacy skills.

 

[auscyclefan94]

This should bring a smile to many people on the centre-right/conservative side of politics:

"Every major advanced Westminster democracy in the world - Britain, Canada, New Zealand, Ireland and Australia - now has a conservative-led government. In 1999 all but two European Union governments were controlled by social democratic parties. Today only 10 out of 28 member states have a centre-left government.


Back in Australia, the latest opinion polls suggest Labor is heading for defeat in state elections in South Australia and Tasmania next year. If this occurs, then every state and the Commonwealth will have a conservative government. The last time that happened was 1970."

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/wh...in-its-mojo-20131006-2v271.html#ixzz2gyt6wFKY

 

[darwin553]

This should bring a smile to many people on the centre-right/conservative side of politics:

"Every major advanced Westminster democracy in the world - Britain, Canada, New Zealand, Ireland and Australia - now has a conservative-led government. In 1999 all but two European Union governments were controlled by social democratic parties. Today only 10 out of 28 member states have a centre-left government.


Back in Australia, the latest opinion polls suggest Labor is heading for defeat in state elections in South Australia and Tasmania next year. If this occurs, then every state and the Commonwealth will have a conservative government. The last time that happened was 1970."

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/wh...in-its-mojo-20131006-2v271.html#ixzz2gyt6wFKY

Yep makes me happy. Labor just aren't fit to govern anywhere

 

[rhubroma]

President Yudhoyono: "Both countries (Indonesia and Australia) are victims of people smuggling". Where is the leftie love media making a big deal over the fact that the recent press conference between Abbott and Yudhoyono showing that they are on a unity ticket on Immigration?

But where were the aboriginal representatives when the British convicts got a unity ticket to take over Australia? Immigration?

 

[thrawn]

This should bring a smile to many people on the centre-right/conservative side of politics:

"Every major advanced Westminster democracy in the world - Britain, Canada, New Zealand, Ireland and Australia - now has a conservative-led government. In 1999 all but two European Union governments were controlled by social democratic parties. Today only 10 out of 28 member states have a centre-left government.


Back in Australia, the latest opinion polls suggest Labor is heading for defeat in state elections in South Australia and Tasmania next year. If this occurs, then every state and the Commonwealth will have a conservative government. The last time that happened was 1970."

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/wh...in-its-mojo-20131006-2v271.html#ixzz2gyt6wFKY

The UK, Canada & NZ seem to have a higher quality of conservatives though. Gay marriage passed with conservative governments in the UK & NZ - unsure about Canada, but they still have gay marriage in place from 2005. The coalition won't even give their members a conscience vote and are largely opposed to the idea.

Also, all countries mentioned have carbon reduction policies in place under conservative governments. Likely outcome in Australia is that by the next election there will no scheme in place and the government will continue to pretend climate science doesn't exist (honourable exception to Turnbull).

 

[thrawn]

President Yudhoyono: "Both countries (Indonesia and Australia) are victims of people smuggling". Where is the leftie love media making a big deal over the fact that the recent press conference between Abbott and Yudhoyono showing that they are on a unity ticket on Immigration?

They aren't on a unity ticket. They agreed to have bilateral talks. Both sides toned down the rhetoric during Abbott's trip, as is usually the case.

 

[auscyclefan94]

But where were the aboriginal representatives when the British convicts got a unity ticket to take over Australia? Immigration?

I guess we should all move out then and find somewhere else to live. /sarc

The UK, Canada & NZ seem to have a higher quality of conservatives though. Gay marriage passed with conservative governments in the UK & NZ - unsure about Canada, but they still have gay marriage in place from 2005. The coalition won't even give their members a conscience vote and are largely opposed to the idea.

Also, all countries mentioned have carbon reduction policies in place under conservative governments. Likely outcome in Australia is that by the next election there will no scheme in place and the government will continue to pretend climate science doesn't exist (honourable exception to Turnbull).

LOL, the sign of a good government is passing gay marriage and 'carbon reduction' schemes? David Cameron is a useless big government, leftwing turd. Harper went into the Canadian elections against an ETS. I don't pay much attention to NZ politics tbh but they have more pressing issues than letting gay sheep get married I think.

There is nothing to pretend about climate science. The consensus has crumbled for the alarmists side because they have been proven astrnomically false. It is time for the political left to find a new cause to latch onto.

They aren't on a unity ticket. They agreed to have bilateral talks. Both sides toned down the rhetoric during Abbott's trip, as is usually the case.

They both committed to making a concerted effort to stop people smuggling. It is a lot better than the Labor Government was able to do.

 

[darwin553]

The UK, Canada & NZ seem to have a higher quality of conservatives though. Gay marriage passed with conservative governments in the UK & NZ - unsure about Canada, but they still have gay marriage in place from 2005.

Unsure about NZ as I don't really pay too much attention to their politics but IMO the conservative government over in the UK is fairly liberal, so no real surprise gay marriage laws were passed.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Unsure about NZ as I don't really pay too much attention to their politics but IMO the conservative government over in the UK is fairly liberal, so no real surprise gay marriage laws were passed.

David Cameron is a joke of a PM. Margaret Thatcher would rightfully turn in her grave knowing what that turd has done. I wonder why he isn't sitting next to 'Red Ed' Milliband.

 

[VeloCity]

There is nothing to pretend about climate science. The consensus has crumbled for the alarmists side because they have been proven astrnomically false. It is time for the political left to find a new cause to latch onto.

I made this same offer to Scott, who not surprisingly never responded. I work with climatologists and I can put you in touch with them, so instead of wasting your time here you can go right to the source and explain to them directly how and where they got it wrong. Remember that they're scientists though, so you'll need lots of convincing evidence and data. Might want to start compiling that now.

Not joking at all, I'm totally serious. If you really think they've got it all wrong then, in the name of science, someone needs to explain how and why to them, right? Obviously you're the guy to do it. IM me and I'll give you some contacts and you can set them straight. Just let me know.

 

[rhubroma]

I guess we should all move out then and find somewhere else to live...

No, though next time you have such a callous and xenophobic view on immigrants and hold such a high and mighty, self-righteous opinion of yourself, perhaps you should remember where your ancestors came from and the ruthless violence they inflicted upon the natives.

Though I know such thoughts would never cross your mind, because people such as yourself are the worst type of hypocrites.

 

[nowhereman]

Attacking? Who's Attacking? Brouhaha? HA HA HA HA HA!

 

[Wallace]

There is nothing to pretend about climate science. The consensus has crumbled for the alarmists side because they have been proven astrnomically false. It is time for the political left to find a new cause to latch onto.

A quick sampling of today's NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/11/s...s-in-carbon-capture-projects.html?ref=science

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/10/s...-warmer-than-hottest-in-past.html?ref=science

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/10/b...//json8.nytimes.com/pages/science/index.jsonp

But what do these cranks know? They're just "scientists." Everyone knows that "science" is just another word for the liberal agenda.

 

[VeloCity]

The UK, Canada & NZ seem to have a higher quality of conservatives though. Gay marriage passed with conservative governments in the UK & NZ - unsure about Canada, but they still have gay marriage in place from 2005. The coalition won't even give their members a conscience vote and are largely opposed to the idea.

Also, all countries mentioned have carbon reduction policies in place under conservative governments. Likely outcome in Australia is that by the next election there will no scheme in place and the government will continue to pretend climate science doesn't exist (honourable exception to Turnbull).

Don't know much about Australia and NZ, but in Canada, Harper is deeply unpopular - only 28% approval in the last poll I saw, in April I think it was. The right (mainly in the oil-and-gas prairie provinces) love him, the rest of the country can't stand him. I don't think his approval rating has ever been higher than the mid 40s. Trudeau and the Liberals now have a pretty healthy lead in party polling over the Conservatives - 38-29 or so last I saw.

Carbon regulation is not and never has been a priority of the Harper government whatsoever, not surprising considering that Harper is an oil-and-gas guy. Canada's become one of the worst in the world in that regard, actually.

 

[thrawn]

There is nothing to pretend about climate science. The consensus has crumbled for the alarmists side because they have been proven astrnomically false. It is time for the political left to find a new cause to latch onto.

"It is more certain than ever that human civilisation is the main cause of global warming, putting the world on track for dangerous temperature rises, the latest major UN assessment of climate change science has found."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...two-degrees-20130927-2ujhw.html#ixzz2hROKeyfL

Yes, clearly consensus is gone.

 

[VeloCity]

"It is more certain than ever that human civilisation is the main cause of global warming, putting the world on track for dangerous temperature rises, the latest major UN assessment of climate change science has found."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...two-degrees-20130927-2ujhw.html#ixzz2hROKeyfL

Yes, clearly consensus is gone.

You have to understand conservative-think: increasing consensus means consensus is crumbling, just like polls showing R-approval tanking in the US means Rs are winning.

The IPCC report did a smart thing this time around by using decadal averages in addition to yearly changes - shows the trend far more clearly:

 

[thrawn]

You have to understand conservative-think: increasing consensus means consensus is crumbling, just like polls showing R-approval tanking in the US means Rs are winning.

The IPCC report did a smart thing this time around by using decadal averages in addition to yearly changes - shows the trend far more clearly:

But, but, world government conspiracy & research grants.

 

[Alphabet]

I'm hearing that the Liberals are talking about selling off HECS debt to private investors, who will then presumably charge 900% interest or whatever. I'll end up owing 300 grand by the time I graduate at this rate, and I'll be damned if I pay so much as a cent of that back.

Smart move, Tony. The nation has a chronic shortage of higher educated professionals, especially in the field of education. Making it impossible for all but the filthy rich to gain a tertiary qualification will go a long way towards solving that. That's the kind of conservative genius that makes the world such a great place.

 

[darwin553]

I'm hearing that the Liberals are talking about selling off HECS debt to private investors, who will then presumably charge 900% interest or whatever. I'll end up owing 300 grand by the time I graduate at this rate, and I'll be damned if I pay so much as a cent of that back.

You should see mine

Smart move, Tony. The nation has a chronic shortage of higher educated professionals, especially in the field of education. Making it impossible for all but the filthy rich to gain a tertiary qualification will go a long way towards solving that. That's the kind of conservative genius that makes the world such a great place.

No not a chronic shortage of higher educated professionals (well I concede in certain fields there is - science and mathematics perhaps) in fact there is probably a glut.

The problem for us as well given you're a student and I'm recently graduated is the realisation for the Coalition that most students are lefties and don't have to pander to them in order to secure their vote as it's going to Labor anyway.

Hopefully the liberals don't see it that way though

 

[Ferminal]

Not going to happen, although it would be pretty funny if it did. Investors would have a 3-4% discount rate on top of the CPI, plus if they were not covered for unpaid debts (which are inevitable with HECS) they would want a serious haircut up front. So at best 70-75 cents in the dollar in NPV terms, so much for the worry about future generations having to cover the national debt.

 

[thrawn]

I'm hearing that the Liberals are talking about selling off HECS debt to private investors, who will then presumably charge 900% interest or whatever. I'll end up owing 300 grand by the time I graduate at this rate, and I'll be damned if I pay so much as a cent of that back.

Smart move, Tony. The nation has a chronic shortage of higher educated professionals, especially in the field of education. Making it impossible for all but the filthy rich to gain a tertiary qualification will go a long way towards solving that. That's the kind of conservative genius that makes the world such a great place.

No way in hell that will get through the Senate (pre or post July). It would require Tony to go for a double dissolution election (over the carbon tax) and hope he ends up with a majority in the Senate.

 

[darwin553]

No way in hell that will get through the Senate (pre or post July). It would require Tony to go for a double dissolution election (over the carbon tax) and hope he ends up with a majority in the Senate.

I can't see PUP supporting it.