World Politics

[blutto]

sane mind spotted
why can't we all have a drink, enjoy a spliff and then dance? and i'm not even a hippie lol
pretty tragic situation for the average ukrainian who just wants to live his life in peace...

...agreed whole heartedly...

Cheers

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

The conspiracy is that the Ukrainian revolution was all a scheme by the US to put a fascist in power.
The theory is in that it's not true.

I guess you haven´t much read about it, yet it´s all in the open. And even other than my german links put in here prove that.
If you believe in fairytales of 50.000 men revolutions. Good. But don´t accuse me a "ct" if it´s not true.
Thanks in advance.

 

[The Hitch]

si svolge a sinistra. comincia il mortirolo

sorry just getting all excited when i read italian

how come we don't have users from crimeea on cyclingnews?

I'm sure theres been a few from around there. Racking my brains, closest I can remember though, other than you is Kvinto from Lwów. We've had a few Russians - eg Fetisoff, maybe near, who knows.

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

If you believe in fairytales of 50.000 men revolutions.

Care to explain?

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Care to explain?

One of his arguemts is that this revolution is not a revolution but a staged coup by some 50k fascists with some tartars that are trained soliders as far as I can remember

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Care to explain?

I think I started at page 1360 something....
About the 50.000 out of 40 Mio people that´s pretty much everywhere (including MSM, where the numbers sometimes add up to 200.000. Whatever, I wouldn´t call that a revolution, especially if the mobsters are paid (please compare posts from blutto, retro, etc.)).
You don´t have to call someone a "ct" only b/c it differs from the western MSM. Both sides are on propaganda wars. Finds the middle and you are pretty much safe. The world isn´t black and white, and this isn´t a peoples revolution.

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

One of his arguemts is that this revolution is not a revolution but a staged coup by some 50k fascists with some tartars that are trained soliders as far as I can remember

I know, I read his posts. But the problem is that it's not.

It is a people's revolution. I talked to the people who revolt.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

One of his arguemts is that this revolution is not a revolution but a staged coup by some 50k fascists with some tartars that are trained soliders as far as I can remember

Never mentioned tartars or fascists. Just gave a little look behind the curtains.
For details of ethnics, those posts came from other posters.

BTW, thx for your explanation of rebulding Russias Army.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I know, I read his posts. But the problem is that it's not.

It is a people's revolution. I talked to the people who revolt.

Yep, Germany also had a peoples revolution in Frankfurt with camps last year (on the banksters main street).
And the USA also had one on Wall Street (camps included).
The only things missing were help from the outside and snipers in the backround.







sarcastic post for those who didn´t got it

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Never mentioned tartars or fascists. Just gave a little look behind the curtains.
For details of ethnics, those posts came from other posters.

BTW, thx for your explanation of rebulding Russias Army.

ah my bad, might have confused what you've said with Blutto or something (I do distinctly remember fascists and tartar super warriors mentioned here somewhere )

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

ah my bad, might have confused what you've said with Blutto or something (I do distinctly remember fascists and tartar super warriors mentioned here somewhere )

No problem.
Yep fascists play a role and tartars too. But I am more interested of the economic backrounds, so I wasn´t to deep into the reading of ethnic conflicts that may exist.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

No problem.
Yep fascists play a role and tartars too. But I am more interested of the economic backrounds, so I wasn´t to deep into the reading of ethnic conflicts that may exist.

In my exerience ethnic conflicts usually play just as big a role as the economic problems in a country with some domestic "troubles". For example in Crimera the Russians are about 60% of the population and wants to tighten thier conections with Russia, but there is also a large tartar populations that are not interested in that at all (which can be a reason for why they have been so willing to take to arms and why the Turks are so involved)

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

You are right. But those ethnic conflicts usually explode as a direct result of economic reasons.
Sad but true, the Ruanda conflict was a perfect example. As long as the wealth is distriputed at least as fair that people feel satisfied, different etnics can live together.
BTW, that spells disaster for the ever so romantic self proclaimed peace loving EU once the last man standing (Germany) is bankrupt too. My only hope is the day (its closer than many think if we look of how billions after billions of our taxpayers money are thrown into the EU monster) the explosion comes, I have saved my a§§...

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Perhaps we can get back to having some new good spy novels.

I think the last one I read was:

 

[rhubroma]

si svolge a sinistra. comincia il mortirolo

sorry just getting all excited when i read italian

how come we don't have users from crimeea on cyclingnews?

I'd love to climb the Mortirolo now, but you see I was in an accident last Weds. on my bike at Monte Rotondo, outside Roma. A delivery truck turned from the opposite lane right in front of me and I went head first into its side. The impact was so violent that I fractured my back.

If I've been all day on this page, this is why. I'm in bed on my back, as I have been for five days and have another three to go before new x-rays are done.

The pain has needless to say been a calvary, but thanks all for keeping my mind distracted as much as I can.

 

[Amsterhammer]

On our way towards economic matters......

 

[rhubroma]

my friend, for that i have romanian government so i don't need yankees or eu to do that. it is already done
for me it's just a matter of choice. and between russia, nationalistic lunatics(i know about them too because as a teen i was part of them,not bandera but the iron guard,different language,same shiit), corrupt and bureaucratic EU hands in hands with USA mafioso, i will chose every time the latter. every single time. because just like i said, comparing with all of the other options it's the best one a sane person could choose.

i have friends who tell me funny stories about ukraine. kalashnikovs sold for prices of nothing. i think this country would be a lot better with all the corruption and all the justin bieber-kim kardashian the west can bring than with the "systematic discipline" russia can bring lol

Thanks for your perspective. You know the difficult thing is that when you sift through all the bad stuff, you are left with just a load of sh!t, which aint pretty no matter who made it.

What I despise are all the moral justifications, when they're all just self-serving, while those that really need to be served get swept away in all the interests of those who claim to be helping them.

 

[Amsterhammer]

I hope Foxxy won't mind if I link to Der Spiegel on economic matters.

(and yes, we're on the same side of the fence)

These current developments are particularly worrying because Ukraine is already in danger of insolvency. Some $70 billion were taken out of the country in the last three years under Yanukovych, the new government revealed on Thursday, and $37 billion worth of state loans simply disappeared. So far, the government had pegged its financial requirements for the next two years at $35 billion. But that won't be nearly enough if investors start pulling out of the country on a large scale.

But how likely is such a scenario? And who would be most seriously affected if it occurs?

The national bank projects that the loss of Russian credit in Ukraine wouldn't amount to a dramatic change for Russia. According to the central bank's calculations, Russian banks have less than 1 percent of their total assets invested in Ukraine. According to an estimate by ratings agency Moody's, the four largest Russian financial institutions together have about $20 billion to $30 billion in Ukraine; Russian President Vladimir Putin put that number at $28 billion. From the Ukrainian perspective, though, that's a considerable amount, with Russian banks' market share in the country at 12 percent.

http://www.spiegel.de/international...stability-but-imf-may-help-soon-a-956353.html

 

[Amsterhammer]

I'd love to climb the Mortirolo now, but you see I was in an accident last Weds. on my bike at Monte Rotondo, outside Roma. A delivery truck turned from the opposite lane right in front of me and I went head first into its side. The impact was so violent that I fractured my back.

If I've been all day on this page, this is why. I'm in bed on my back, as I have been for five days and have another three to go before new x-rays are done.

The pain has needless to say been a calvary, but thanks all for keeping my mind distracted as much as I can.

I'm distressed to hear this, professore. I hope that you at least have some good pain meds! I shall see if I can contribute further to your distraction in the coming days.

 

[rhubroma]

I'm distressed to hear this, professore. I hope that you at least have some good pain meds! I shall see if I can contribute further to your distraction in the coming days.

Thanks. I have moved from Volteran and Muscalin to a morphine derivative, so I just grit and bear it.

 

[python]

it looks like things in crimea are finally starting to de-escalate...

vlad just spoke with angela, and for the first time war gives way to diplomacy. he agreed to some fact finding mission at some time in the future in some place and under some unidentified conditions.

this is true and not a joke. putin, the ever exemplary gentleman, was not swayed by obama, or any other western leader, he, as he never failed to stress, listened to a german partner before he'd listen to others.

it is not like he was ignored by the west..according to moscow, there was a long line of western leaders waiting for him to pick up their call. when obama finally got a chance, he babble for 90 minutes (!), true, before putin hung up on him.

the long story short...after putin was shaken to his core by the threats of devastating sanctions (great briton cancelling its participation in the sochi para-olympics being the most notable) we are finally on the road to peace.

may god bless our strong western leaders once again showing the eastern despots their place.

ps.
it is besides the point that the russian managed to consolidate crimea without ever firing a shot and never 'officially' making good on their threat of invading.

 

[RetroActive]

it looks like things in crimea are finally starting to de-escalate...

vlad just spoke with angela, and for the first time war gives way to diplomacy. he agreed to some fact finding mission at some time in the future in some place and under some unidentified conditions.

this is true and not a joke. putin, the ever exemplary gentleman, was not swayed by obama, or any other western leader, he, as he never failed to stress, listened to a german partner before he'd listen to others.

it is not like he was ignored by the west..according to moscow, there was a long line of western leaders waiting for him to pick up their call. when obama finally got a chance, he babble for 90 minutes (!), true, before putin hung up on him.

the long story short...after putin was shaken to his core by the threats of devastating sanctions (great briton cancelling its participation in the sochi para-olympics being the most notable) we are finally on the road to peace.

may god bless our strong western leaders once again showing the eastern despots their place.

ps.
it is besides the point that the russian managed to consolidate crimea without ever firing a shot and never 'officially' making good on their threat of invading.

hahaha, it's all chess versus checkers to me. I wonder what goes on in the international space station?
‘Brandishes phone at Putin!’ WH releases baffling pic of Obama phone call; Most disturbing part?
http://twitchy.com/2014/03/02/brand...rt/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Kasparov looks to be right then?
He said yesterday (I think, don't quite remember if it was today) that Putin is just showing off, and that he has accomplished this now, and will go home to Moscow and playing the "I defended Russian interests with great succes" propaganda

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Can't say I'm particularly bother about the latest developments. Business as usual.

I would however join a serious movement, but I see nothing at this point. Peanuts.

Instead the music is still the same and very relevant. Lyrics too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=R44PkPUEDCM#t=975

 

[blutto]

....yes things have calmed down considerably to the point where John Baird, a prominent member of the ruling political party in Canada issued the following message....

"Baird rules out military response to Soviet-style intervention in Ukraine"

...gawd when I read that I honestly didn't know whether I should laugh or cry...I mean our PM is a lapdog of the lowest order but, but, but the idea that there may have been even the remotest chance that Canada would go to war with Russia is rank stupidosity beyond belief....gee I've never seen political posturing go nuclear before but there it is...gawd this is embarrassing...

...the full article is here... http://ca.news.yahoo.com/baird-rule...iet-style-intervention-ukraine-164350618.html

Cheers