World Politics

[Buffalo Soldier]

Congrats to Foxy for the worst ad hitlerum of the thread (and far beyond) btw.

 

[blutto]

You are as far as I can see arguing that Ukraine should be left to the Russian sphere of influence, and that "the west" had no business there.

...as per the agreement made during the period of negotiations that lead to the re-unification of Germany...the agreement which was made between Russia and Bush the Smarter was to ensure Russia that NATO ( the US proxy in Europe ) would not expand into former Warsaw Pact countries...

...now if you look at a map you will see that NATO has indeed expanded into space it had agreed not to....and btw did so almost immediately after the agreement was signed ( Russia was weak at the time and run by a drunken buffoon so NATO did more or less what they wanted...unfortunately for NATO/US/IMF times have changed and its a way different ballgame...the bottom line is all this gnashing of teeth is just a spectacular display of hypocrisy for the benefit of the ignorant great un-washed at home...no one with even a scintilla of intelligence or a basic understanding of recent history would fall for such audacious bull-$hit... )

...so if one is to believe that agreements should be honoured then yes the Ukraine should be within the Russian sphere of influence...but if you want to ignore the rule of law don't get all sanctimonious if others do the same....

Cheers

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Congrats to Foxy for the worst ad hitlerum of the thread (and far beyond) btw.

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P.S.: Never ever get me into the corner of this guy! I take that as a personal insult. Because of him, we are used as the all time pay daddys for everbody as "redemption"... If you didn´t understood my post:
I explained the situation, what people think over here, what might happen... Hope you got it. Thx in advance.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Shoch and awe under Jeltsin. What?

Russia recovering. From what?

blabla ...

If I didn't jump into correct things before, it might be that I took time to study the situation.

Perhaps the first two points which you seem to assume is something generally known and accepted might be a good place to start?

You start with Naomi Klein. A very easy to understand writing style... then you indeed study... then you come back. Ok?

 

[ToreBear]

Wow Foxy!

Your understanding of the world is very alien to me. I don't think I can cover all your points.

I do find it funny how you wine about German taxpayers footing the bill in Europe though.

Just for your information. The loans to Greece made sure that German banks would not go bankrupt and need a bailout(not loans) due to their exposure to Greece.

Also no doubt the loans helped to pay off the depth for the German Leopard 2 tanks that bankrupt Greece had bought, or that sub contract, that was a tad shodilly built.

Those loans were in fact saving German taxpayers from loosing a lot of money.

You should get of your high horse. Germans were part of the problem. Germans had no problem bribing Greek officials to get contracts. Even in Norway, Siemens were paying out bribes. It took a whistle blower to blow the lid on the scam.

Now you seem to blame everyone for everything, and view the Russians as innocent of everything and subject to a western plot. To me this is just strange.


ps. Please read the UN report, it is a good start to orient your thinking more towards what is fact and what is fiction.

 

[ToreBear]

...as per the agreement made during the period of negotiations that lead to the re-unification of Germany...the agreement which was made between Russia and Bush the Smarter was to ensure Russia that NATO ( the US proxy in Europe ) would not expand into former Warsaw Pact countries...

...now if you look at a map you will see that NATO has indeed expanded into space it had agreed not to....and btw did so almost immediately after the agreement was signed ( Russia was weak at the time and run by a drunken buffoon so NATO did more or less what they wanted...unfortunately for NATO/US/IMF times have changed and its a way different ballgame...the bottom line is all this gnashing of teeth is just a spectacular display of hypocrisy for the benefit of the ignorant great un-washed at home...no one with even a scintilla of intelligence or a basic understanding of recent history would fall for such audacious bull-$hit... )

...so if one is to believe that agreements should be honoured then yes the Ukraine should be within the Russian sphere of influence...but if you want to ignore the rule of law don't get all sanctimonious if others do the same....

Cheers

How about you link to the agreement?

I'll save you some time. It does not exist, it never did, it is a story that has been made up and later taken as fact.

The NATO secretary General has denied any such agreement has existed.

A few weeks ago the Russian and IIRC the US foreign ministers at that time denied any such agreement had been made on the Cnn programe Amanpour.

You see, NATO would have to have all nations agree to such a deal for any deal to be agreed upon. No one country has the power to agree to such a deal regarding NATO expansion. They would all have to.


You have been fooled by a false narrative. That's just how it is.

 

[ToreBear]

You start with Naomi Klein. A very easy to understand writing style... then you indeed study... then you come back. Ok?

I got the idea from a quick look on her WIKI.

The thing you have to understand is that this was the IMF economic paradigm at the time. They actually thought this uber liberalism was in the best interest of the countries. They ruined several countries with that idiotic Friedman theory. It was even the basis for the 2008 Financial crisis. And I'm still not sure they get it, since his theories are so ingrained in right wing economic thought.

It was not some plot to bring Russia down. It was incompetents thinking they were helping Russia.

Add to that a lot of theft, greed, corruption, incompetence, and you had oligarchs and a ruined economy.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Wow Foxy!
(1) Just for your information. The loans to Greece made sure that German banks would not go bankrupt and need a bailout(not loans) due to their exposure to Greece.

(2) Also no doubt the loans helped to pay off the depth for the German Leopard 2 tanks that bankrupt Greece had bought, or that sub contract, that was a tad shodilly built.

(3) Those loans were in fact saving German taxpayers from loosing a lot of money.

(4) You should get of your high horse. Germans were part of the problem. Germans had no problem bribing Greek officials to get contracts. Even in Norway, Siemens were paying out bribes. It took a whistle blower to blow the lid on the scam.

(5) Now you seem to blame everyone for everything, and view the Russians as innocent of everything and subject to a western plot. To me this is just strange.

Wow Tore. A double wow, if you will...

(1) Guess what? I got that a long time ago. But let me ask you: What in the hell do I or any other person of the "99% group" have to do with the well doing of banking cartells? I, and the majority of germans, are no shareholders, thus not feared a bit if the banksters would have to pay a price for their wrongdoings... When I talk of paying everybody, I mean the non elected EU burecracy, the banksters, the EU expansion (and all the ills that come with it), the ESF, ESM, EU subventions, and the hell knows who else sucks us to the bones...

(2) I am not for military. But for the sake of the discussion: What advantage has the german taxpayer for producing export goods, that he´ll pay the bills for? Exactly: He is double phucked...

(3) It's best to get unpleasant things over and done with... But that train has left, thanks to Merkel.

(4) So you are from Norway... Ok, than it´s easy for you to have your positions. You guys don´t have to pay a penny for all these EU experiments...
Now who is sitting on the high horse?

(5) I don´t. Why shall I repeat the things the one sided MSM press repeats until one vomits? If you need anti Russia propaganda, go read MSM. They give detailed details of how bad they are. No need I do it.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I got the idea from a quick look on her WIKI.

The thing you have to understand is that this was the IMF economic paradigm at the time. They actually thought this uber liberalism was in the best interest of the countries. They ruined several countries with that idiotic Friedman theory. It was even the basis for the 2008 Financial crisis. And I'm still not sure they get it, since his theories are so ingrained in right wing economic thought.

It was not some plot to bring Russia down. It was incompetents thinking they were helping Russia.

Add to that a lot of theft, greed, corruption, incompetence, and you had oligarchs and a ruined economy.

Applause. You improve fast. Now to the bolded:
Not was, is ...
There was no incompetence. Their plan worked masterfully all over the world since Suharto, Allende, eastern europe, EU, Africa, New Zealand and more... Latest victims: Soon Ukraine and Venezuela.

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

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P.S.: Never ever get me into the corner of this guy! I take that as a personal insult. Because of him, we are used as the all time pay daddys for everbody as "redemption"... If you didn´t understood my post:
I explained the situation, what people think over here, what might happen... Hope you got it. Thx in advance.

Not familiar with the term? It's an ad hominem, but with a reference to Hitler. So just what you did. It is a popular technique with a lot of populist media and politicians. (I could also have refered to Godwin of course).
In general; it is one of the lowest arguments to bring into any discussion.

Also claiming that Obama was the first messiah in more than 50 years large crowds in Germany cheered for, is -as you know- a blunt lie. There's tons of them, from all sides of the ideological spectrum (commie, liberal, catholic)

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Not familiar with the term? It's an ad hominem, but with a reference to Hitler. So just what you did. It is a popular technique with a lot of populist media and politicians. (I could also have refered to Godwin of course).
In general; it is one of the lowest arguments to bring into any discussion.

Also claiming that Obama was the first messiah in more than 50 years large crowds in Germany cheered for, is -as you know- a blunt lie. There's tons of them, from all sides of the ideological spectrum (commie, liberal, catholic)

That´s the way political correctness works: They shove you into the right corner, or call you populist, or a conspiracy theorist. The big three, or big tree if you will... Who needs censorship if that works so well? Many great western guys were silenced that way.
I always said the west has better techniques. More sophisticated. They normally don´t invade the old way anymore, they don´t silence you the old way, they don´t get rid of you the old way.

In short: What´s the problem with my post? It just shows mankind never learns...

For a person not elected to anything (geez, he isn´t even a german citizen) he was a first in 50 years. There is no tiny doubt about that... Political correct, or not...

 

[python]

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P.S.: Never ever get me into the corner of this guy! I take that as a personal insult.w

foxxy, it was meant as a personal insult. i commend your wisdom and patience. as to the torebear fella, i'd ignore him altogether...i once had a whole bunch of interesting exchanges with him in the winter sport we both love, to my great surprise, he turned out a narrow-minded fanboy 'intellectualizing' any references to his compatriots possibly doping as anyone else did at the time. when i pressed his hypocritical facts into his face he called me.... (the P-word i d rather not repeat), which means 'the potential abuser of not fully grown human beings...'. obviously he'd done 'his own research' to identify me as such

on a more interesting note...here's an article from an american think tank carnegie endowment, they call themselves non-partisan.

http://carnegie.ru/eurasiaoutlook/?fa=55330

The insiders are seemingly in disarray. Those who joined forces to oust Yanukovych are now competing for the spoils of power. Despite all the talk of revolution, too little has changed so far in the Ukrainian politico-economic system, which continues to be dominated by the oligarchs and their political proxies

At the moment, Russia does not have to and probably does not intend to move its military forces into south-eastern Ukraine. Contrary to Western expectations, Moscow is definitely not following the Crimea playbook there. Rather, it is satisfied with pro-Russian activists following the maidan techniques in multiple towns of the Donbass region, complete with seizures of government buildings, police stations, and security services headquarters.

 

[rhubroma]

You are as far as I can see arguing that Ukraine should be left to the Russian sphere of influence, and that "the west" had no business there. This is something I feel strongly against. I think Ukraine should be allowed to choose it's own path.

As for this talk of imperialism. I don't think its conductive to understand this situation in regards to US imperialism. As for hegemony, Ukraine is not part of this hegemony. It is in this situation Russia which is the imperialist.

Instead of focusing on isms and zero sum games to explain US policies I think viewing each case as an individual case is much better.

Who is focusing on zero sum games? To the contrary, as soon as those same -isms and the Cold War mentality that's beyond its expiration date is given up by the Triumphateur, then I can better stand the attempts at implementing more democratic means as a resolution to conflict. When a new world order emerges that's governed by, as Buffalo Soldier has honestly advocated, a spirit of international cooperation and economic balance as the paradigm, this would be a real indication of "global leadership." Rather the instrumental denouncements against sovereign intrusion, when that's been common praxis, only resonates hypocrisy.

As things presently stand the desires of the people of Ukraine have little, if any, bearing on the matter. They have merely become pawns in the game of global power at best, economic expedients at worse.

Though perhaps its already too late.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

foxxy, it was meant as a personal insult. i commend your wisdom and patience. as to the torebear fella, i'd ignore him altogether...i once had a whole bunch of interesting exchanges with him in the winter sport we both love, to my great surprise, he turned out a narrow-minded fanboy 'intellectualizing' any references to his compatriots possibly doping as anyone else did at the time. when i pressed his hypocritical facts into his face he called me.... (the P-word i d rather not repeat), which means 'the potential abuser of not fully grown human beings...'. obviously he'd done 'his own research' to identify me as such

on a more interesting note...here's an article from an american think tank carnegie endowment, they call themselves non-partisan.

http://carnegie.ru/eurasiaoutlook/?fa=55330

Thanks for enlighten me...
To the link: The funny part is in maidan "our" MSM $luts called the putschists and their payed entourage, demonstrants for freedom and used other sweet desprecptions for them, while the same action on the other side, the people are called fighting separatists, and worse terrorists.
And this sophisticated manipulation works pretty well, inch by inch, seen with the posts by ToreBear, the high horse rider from Norway, Buffalo, the guy who called us conspiracy theorists a while ago and now came with the sledgehammer "argument" Hitler, and Von Mises the weird poster...

 

[ToreBear]

Wow Tore. A double wow, if you will...

(1) Guess what? I got that a long time ago. But let me ask you: What in the hell do I or any other person of the "99% group" have to do with the well doing of banking cartells? I, and the majority of germans, are no shareholders, thus not feared a bit if the banksters would have to pay a price for their wrongdoings... When I talk of paying everybody, I mean the non elected EU burecracy, the banksters, the EU expansion (and all the ills that come with it), the ESF, ESM, EU subventions, and the hell knows who else sucks us to the bones...

Yes it would be nice to let the banks sink and see what happens. But that wouldn't happen. The banks would suffer a liquidity crisis. Other German banks having loaned money to them will also suffer. People would not be able to lend money. Non guarnteed deposits would dissapear. Small businisses which are AFAIK the bedrock of the German economy would not be able to draw on their credit line. Their workers (the 99%) would not get paid.

To stop this, the German government would have to replace the assets that were linked to Greece with Tax payers money. The banksters would just loose their jobs, and the money they had beyond the guarnantee. They would keep their expensive houses properties etc. They would not suffer much compared to the 99%. That's how it is, not how it should be, but that is another discussion.

I see, you hate everything related to these institutions, and don't see the benefit to you. I don't feel a need to explain what they are about, and the pros and cons of their existence. That would take too much time. Lets just say I understand your frustration with how the world is.

(2) I am not for military. But for the sake of the discussion: What advantage has the german taxpayer for producing export goods, that he´ll pay the bills for? Exactly: He is double phucked...

He/she gets jobs, these jobs might support other jobs. Taxes are payed etc. The companies pay taxes on their profits(i assume). More money becomes available to pay for roads, health, police etc.

The Greeks get loans that have to be repaid. I know there is constant restructuring, but the loans don't disappear, they might be reduced or put forward. Anyway the greeks are certainly paying, as much as they can.(as much as their dis functioning system allows).

How much of it would be financed by the German taxpayers is something we wont know for some time. But in the mean time, there were German jobs and corporate profits, which again resulted in taxes.

(3) It's best to get unpleasant things over and done with... But that train has left, thanks to Merkel.

Well you didn't have to find out the alternative had the loans not been given. They might have been a lot worse, in fact I think they would have.

(4) So you are from Norway... Ok, than it´s easy for you to have your positions. You guys don´t have to pay a penny for all these EU experiments...
Now who is sitting on the high horse?

Still you.

We do pay:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EEA_and_Norway_Grants
In fact the negotiations for the next 5 year period is probably already underway.

As of 2009, Norway has chosen to opt into EU projects and its total financial contribution linked to the EEA agreement consists of contributions related to the participation in these projects (Schengen Agreement, Europol, EU Drug Monitoring Centre, Frontex, the European Defence Agency and the Union's battlegroups) and part made available to development projects for reducing social and economic disparities in the EU (EEA and Norway Grants).[2][7] EEA EFTA states fund their participation in programmes and agencies by an amount corresponding to the relative size of their gross domestic product (GDP) compared to the GDP of the whole EEA. The EEA EFTA participation is hence on an equal footing with EU member states. The total EEA EFTA commitment amounts to 2.4% of the overall EU programme budget. In 2008 Norway’s contribution was €188 million. Throughout the programme period 2007—2013, the Norwegian contribution will increase substantially in parallel with the development of the EU programme budget, from €130 million in 2007 to €290 million in 2013. For the EEA and Norway Grants from 2004 to 2009, Norway provided almost €1.3 billion.[8][9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway_and_the_European_Union

And we don't have a vote. We just get faxed EU directives and have to implement them. Though we do a lot of begging and pleading for the directives to be adapted to our conditions. Some times it works, sometimes we have to just accept them.

So who is really the imperialist in Europe?

(5) I don´t. Why shall I repeat the things the one sided MSM press repeats until one vomits? If you need anti Russia propaganda, go read MSM. They give detailed details of how bad they are. No need I do it.

Could it be that the MSM is actually more right than wrong in this case, and you don't agree with them and think they are biased. In the US that argument is very common for fox news. They say the others are MSM while they in fact are the biggest news channel in the US.

The UN just delivered a report that was much more negative towards Russia than the media I'm watching.

The media I'm watching is IMHO being painfully balanced, and careful in how they represent the Russian side of the argument. I watch Al-Jazera English, FR24 English, BBC, a little CNN(carefully, since US media is a bit stuck in narratives their national viewers deem acceptable), Norwegian NRK and Swedish SVT.

As for read, I don't know what main stream media is to you?

 

[ToreBear]

Applause. You improve fast. Now to the bolded:
Not was, is ...
There was no incompetence. Their plan worked masterfully all over the world since Suharto, Allende, eastern europe, EU, Africa, New Zealand and more... Latest victims: Soon Ukraine and Venezuela.

The IMF has mellowed a bit after the financial crisis. Though their basic idea of liberalization is still there and very resistant to change. They are not as bad(dumb, stupid) now compared to how it was.

You see a plan, I see idiots applying their idiot theories on unsuspecting peoples.

The thing I would like to know is, who do you mean by they?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Yes it would be nice to let the banks sink and see what happens. But that wouldn't happen. The banks would suffer a liquidity crisis.

So what? Give the sovereignty of the money to the government and 80% of world wide problems are gone with the blink of an eye.
The whole Fiat money system is too complex to put it in a good short post. For more infos, read Dirk Müller and Egon W Kreutzer... Now there are others who fully understand this fiendishness system, but if you read & understand this two guys you pretty much have covered everything.
In a very short incomplete hammer-like-post: Basically banks generate money out of fresh air, lend it, and put interest on top of it. This system needs new debitors, expanding markets, and growth, otherwise it would crash. The owners of the money do NOTHING by earning the interest and get rich. The worst $uckers of mankind....
The "best" system greedy psychos ever invented. Sophisticated, evil and enslaving.

 

[ToreBear]

Who is focusing on zero sum games? To the contrary, as soon as those same -isms and the Cold War mentality that's beyond its expiration date is given up by the Triumphateur, then I can better stand the attempts at implementing more democratic means as a resolution to conflict. When a new world order emerges that's governed by, as Buffalo Soldier has honestly advocated, a spirit of international cooperation and economic balance as the paradigm, this would be a real indication of "global leadership." Rather the instrumental denouncements against sovereign intrusion, when that's been common praxis, only resonates hypocrisy.

As things presently stand the desires of the people of Ukraine have little, if any, bearing on the matter. They have merely become pawns in the game of global power at best, economic expedients at worse.

Though perhaps its already too late.

The one playing games is Russia. Remember when Yanukovic won his election?

There were no US tanks on the border. No pro western armed "activists" occupying buildings, no threats. Yanokovic just said they didn't want to join NATO, and that was it. Everyone accepted it.

Russia is still stuck in a great power mentality, and it's smaller neighbors have to seek Protection from them by joining NATO and coseying up to the US.

Putin has repeatedly said the greatest tragedy in the 20th century was the disillusion of the USSR. He means it, and is doing as much as possible to correct this tragedy.

 

[python]

^^that post clearly indicates how little you know about the complex subject.

do some reading on the very moderate imf managing board changes proposed by the rising economies such as china's or the bricks in general, yet persistently blocked by the us, as threatening its veto power. again, educate yourself before posting that nonsense.

the west is the de facto dominator in all world institutions that matter, including the imf (for a natural, perhaps logical reason in most cases). and the us is dominating, or trying to dominate the west's position, increasingly against west's own long term collective interests but in the interest of the us corporate, economical and political short term advantage.

to argue the point is being ignorant like you, torebear.

 

[ToreBear]

So what? Give the sovereignty of the money to the government and 80% of world wide problems are gone with the blink of an eye.
The whole Fiat money system is too complex to put it in a good short post. For more infos, read Dirk Müller and Egon W Kreutzer... Now there are others who fully understand this fiendishness system, but if you read & understand this two guys you pretty much have covered everything.
In a very short incomplete hammer-like-post: Basically banks generate money out of fresh air, lend it, and put interest on top of it. This system needs new debitors, expanding markets, and growth, otherwise it would crash. The owners of the money do NOTHING by earning the interest and get rich. The worst $uckers of mankind....
The "best" system greedy psychos ever invented. Sophisticated, evil and enslaving.

Yes that is how the system works. I would love for the profit of the investor all going to the worker. But it's not like that now, and I can't do anything about that.

There might have been alternatives to the bail out, but the politicians had to follow the remedies that most economists agreed on. Doing the wrong thing would have horrible consequences.

Perhaps there were a few who had a much better solution. But those were the few, and the politicians couldn't risk going with what was not accepted wisdom.

Personally I haven't bothered to research economic alternatives to the Fiat system. Me knowing a better way for the economy to function does not do anyone anything good. No one is gonna listen to me, and me knowing better will constantly frustrate me. I don't need the aggravation.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

So who is really the imperialist in Europe?

Big business, big money. As always. And puppet Merkel pleases the dragon, soon signing the free trade agreement with the US against all of our interests.
Read my posts of the private banking system needing expanding markets and debitors in context (all the way back to page 1360something). I painted I pretty complete picture...

Could it be that the MSM is actually more right than wrong in this case, and you don't agree with them and think they are biased.

Simple answer: No. They have an agenda. "Nachdenkseiten" did a pretty good job of connecting all the big MSM newspaper journos to US based institutions.

As for read, I don't know what main stream media is to you?

Literally all big newspapers in Germany. It´s disgusting how they all write the same, and in complete contrast to the comments from readers.
It was never clearer than now with all the baiting against Russia since the putsch started.

And please leave the UN out of any posts. I will not engage in any discussion about them. They are not worth the time. That´s an annoying group of functionaries who (can) do nothing but sending warm words around the world since either China, Russia or USA vetos against whatever needs to be fixed. A toothless tiger which failed miserably in Ruanda. A overpaid pack of suited guys.

 

[python]

The one playing games is Russia. Remember when Yanukovic won his election?

There were no US tanks on the border. No pro western armed "activists" occupying buildings, no threats. Yanokovic just said they didn't want to join NATO, and that was it. Everyone accepted it.

Russia is still stuck in a great power mentality, and it's smaller neighbors have to seek Protection from them by joining NATO and coseying up to the US.

Putin has repeatedly said the greatest tragedy in the 20th century was the disillusion of the USSR. He means it, and is doing as much as possible to correct this tragedy.

please do not report me if i call this post nonsense.

you try to present yourself as educated on the matters at hand, yet showing elementary ignorance that the us cant have its tanks on the ukrainian border having all and every nato rule and regulation in mind. ukraine is not a nato member. if you are ignorant of the elementary fact, then pls stop pretending you know. if you knew, yet tried to push a cheap rhetorical point, than your argument was crap from the start and you knew it.

having in mind your geographical ignorance, or perhaps intentional pretence, you need to learn that the us is not bordering ukraine and that russian is the the language and the culture of about one half of the torn apart country,

again, not knowing the simple facts is either stupid or, forgive me telling it to your face, an intentianal trolling on the sensitive matter.

 

[ToreBear]

OK Foxy, I see we are getting nowhere. Well I've gotten some idea of your thinking and you have got some idea of mine.

Our realities are quite different. I don't read the German papers. My German is too suspect. It gets better when I drink. But when I'm drunk enough to get by in German, I'm not going to read anything, especially not German.

Good night.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

The thing I would like to know is, who do you mean by they?

The Friedman boys who work for the big shareholder companies who are owned (in majority) by a few multinational investment management corporations and private banks (in majority) who are owned by super rich individual psychopaths... Soon we´ll end up with the Rothschilds and chums. They laugh about us all, how morons march into war against each other to feed their never ending greed.

 

[python]

OK w My German is too suspect. It gets better when I drink. But when I'm drunk enough to get by in German, I'm not going to read anything, especially not German.

Good night.

you whole posting was an evidence of drunk logic.

your confused nato chapter with the nato tanks in ukraine to drive an irrelevant bait, you showed ignorance regarding what imf is about... you 'resented' being russia's naibour yet can't see that the us is not bordering ukraine..

you are a fake.