World Politics

[blutto]

....don't know if this has been already posted but here goes something that may be of interest ....

"Michael Bociurkiw, spokesman for the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine, claimed last week that some of the airplane’s remains were covered with mysterious marks that could have come from heavy machine-gun fire.

“There were two or three pieces of fuselage that were heavily pockmarked — almost looked like machine-gun fire, very, very strong machine-gun fire that has left these unique marks that we have not seen anywhere else,” Bociurkiw said in an interview with Canada’s CBC news.

But in comments to The Moscow Times on Sunday, Bociurkiw clarified that he had not meant to say that the holes originated from machine-gun fire. “I was just trying to describe what we saw – unique holes. As we are not experts we cannot draw any conclusions, not can we possibly say how they were caused,” he said."

....from... http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/...-on-mh17-crash-in-eastern-ukraine/504477.html

....so the state of curiouser and curiouser continues but the way in which the friends of the glorious revolution have played this..(....as in providing no reasonable evidence and playing the character assassination card that is the big part of the Big Lie protocol ...) seems to indicate, if historical precedent is any indicator, that they are themselves guilty as hell of something yet unknown ( big booboo, false flag, willful ignorance ????)...

Cheers

 

[Amsterhammer]

In the early months of 2013, Israel granted exclusive drilling rights to a U.S. firm, Genie Oil and Gas, for exploration in the occupied Golan Heights. Genie is advised by none other than former vice-president **** Cheney, who never met a war he didn’t like and a profit he didn’t love at any cost. Shareholders in the company include Jacob Rothchild and Rupert Murdoch. The company now has exclusive rights to a 153 square-mile radius in the southern part of the Golan Heights.

Israel seized the Golan Heights from Syria in the Six-Day War in 1967 and subsequently annexed the territory in 1981. The Israeli occupation of the area, which is home to some 20,000 Israeli settlers in 6 settlements, is not recognized under international law.

I'm shocked.

http://samuel-warde.com/2014/08/israel-grants-drilling-rights-u-s-company-linked-****-cheney/

 

[python]

imho, today was a watershed day in the most recent history of europe.

phenomenally, this is truly a testament to the sad state of our politicians and media - not one euro source in any euro language i read the news today had noticed it

let me introduce some background before i make my point...

almost 5 months back the eu and the us , in response to the crimea absorption, very pompously declared a plan of multi-stage sanctions to strangle russia's economy if vlad vladovich does not get the message.

with difficulty, slowly, with a lot of pressure from washington, finally, the 3d stage of the sectoral economic sanctions was implemented...now the bs black lists were supplemented by the real pain inflicted on russia's livelihood - banks, airlines, oil and gas industry.

what did russia do for almost 5 months of incessant threats and bashing ?

nothing, absolutely nothing but beaatchang that the sanctions are illegal. there were no even threats of counter sanctions except more of what they said they wont budge at - supporting rebels in the eastern ukraine.

today everything turned 180..they announced sweeping sanctions on ALL eu and us agricultural products and produce. this is tens of billions of business.

why do i call this the water shed day for europe ? b/c it is clearly a drastic change of behavior - from muttering and moaning to showing readiness to enter a full blown trade war.

moreover, russian sources spread the rumour of what they intend to do next - barring all countries civil airliners that joined the sanctions orgy from overflying russia on their way to asia and back.

this would be a particularly cunning and cruel move! not only the bypass routes would add 4 flight hours, they'd inevitably eventually raise fuel cost, then world oil prices as fuel demand skyrocketed (guess who is biggest exporter of oil standing to benefit - russia), then cascade into the general increase of cost of goods and services, any goods and services that factor oil as a component of its final reatal price...means worldwide inflation, slow down of economic growth ets and so on.

has europe in its 28-head stupidity and its boundless subservience to the us pressure thought through such scenarios ?

i very much doubt. will europe be more careful before entering the 2nd stage of theall-out trade war ? i very much hope so, but dont hold my breath.

 

[Jagartrott]

Amoz Oz: I would like to begin the interview in a very unusal way: by presenting one or two questions to your readers and listeners. May I do that?

Deutsche Welle: Go ahead!

Question 1: What would you do if your neighbor across the street sits down on the balcony, puts his little boy on his lap and starts shooting machine gun fire into your nursery?

Question 2: What would you do if your neighbor across the street digs a tunnel from his nursery to your nursery in order to blow up your home or in order to kidnap your family?

What a supremely stupid metafor.
This is supposed to be an intellectual of sorts?

 

[blutto]

What a supremely stupid metafor.
This is supposed to be an intellectual of sorts?

...the scary thing may be that given the circumstances this could well be the "best foot forward" ( read, polls in Israel haven't registered much in the way of anything close to a soft position toward the Palestinians...it used to be assumed that 10% of any poll was "noise" and as we have seen the % of Israeli responses registering "soft" are well below that... )...so a reasonable response within the "norm" may be impossible to find...

...you have keep in mind that the current crisis in Gaza is not some weird aberration, it has rather been standard operating procedure from day one...see below...

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” - David Ben-Gurion, a.k.a. David Grün (1886-1973), Israeli Prime Minister (1948-53, 1955-63) revered by Israelis as "Father of the Nation"


Cheers

 

[blutto]

....for what its worth check the following video.....this was originally posted on the internet filed under "A Jew I Trust and Respect"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3SJYRkI2hM&feature=player_embedded

...does anyone know if the views expressed in the video have any significant currency in Israel....or is it just part of the "noise" found in the polls that back the military action in Gaza?....

Cheers

 

[hrotha]

Meh, people love ultra-Orthodox Jews because they're against Zionism, but they're still, well, an ultra-Orthodox religious group. What that guy is saying, basically, is that they should be privileged because of their religion.

 

[Amsterhammer]

This whole horrible episode is made so much worse by the very evident, rampant blood lust in Israel. Bibi would have massive support if he completely leveled Gaza and committed mass murder. I saw an opposition Labor politician repeatedly refuse to take the offered opportunity to criticize the overkill. He was only marginally less bloodthirsty than Bibi. The entire country seems to have bought into the hyperbolic propaganda rhetoric that's used to 'convince' the world.

It's so utterly depressing......

 

[blutto]

Meh, people love ultra-Orthodox Jews because they're against Zionism, but they're still, well, an ultra-Orthodox religious group. What that guy is saying, basically, is that they should be privileged because of their religion.

...oh right, and the guys doing the slaughtering are just a regular bog standard run of the mill religious group....thank you so very much for pointing out that distinction....

...sort of re-affirms my deep and abiding "love" of any and all groups that identify themselves as religious....

Cheers

 

[BYOP88]

This whole horrible episode is made so much worse by the very evident, rampant blood lust in Israel. Bibi would have massive support if he completely leveled Gaza and committed mass murder. I saw an opposition Labor politician repeatedly refuse to take the offered opportunity to criticize the overkill. He was only marginally less bloodthirsty than Bibi. The entire country seems to have bought into the hyperbolic propaganda rhetoric that's used to 'convince' the world.

It's so utterly depressing......

Can you provide a link(if it's in Hebrew,Yiddish that isn't a problem) regarding the Labor politician(I assume it was Yitzhak Herzog) refusing to criticize?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Maybe this interview with Israeli novelist and poet Amoz Oz, a longtime critic of the government's policies. The fact that even he supports some of the current action shows how nearly unanimous that view has become in Israel:

The Jews are making the stuff up about the tunnel network and rockets in schools / hospitals. Even if they had tunnels in gaza it would be for bomb shelters to protect the Palestinians. Jews do this all the time, make things up so they can bomb gaza. That tunnel stuff is a false flag.

 

[blutto]

....here is a very interesting question...

Why Aren't ISIS and Al-Qaeda Attacking Israel?

...that was the title of the article below ( btw don't really know the site but thought including may prove helpful )...

http://www.activistpost.com/2014/08/why-arent-isis-and-al-qaeda-attacking.html#!bxWIr6

Cheers

 

[Amsterhammer]

Can you provide a link(if it's in Hebrew,Yiddish that isn't a problem) regarding the Labor politician(I assume it was Yitzhak Herzog) refusing to criticize?

I'm sorry, no. It was late at night on either CNN or BBC World. I don't remember the name. On reflection, he may have been an ex-politician, but he was introduced as a Labor party member. The interviewer repeatedly lobbed up the Gaza overkill, this guy repeatedly refused to even condemn it.

 

[blutto]

...speaking of richest gall served in recent memory, seems the head bully wants protection when he leaves his playground...

Netanyahu asks U.S. lawmakers to help fend off war crimes charges

Source: Haaretz

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has asked United States legislators to assist Israel in fending off charges that Israel committed war crimes during its month-long operation in Gaza, the New York Post reported on Wednesday.

“The prime minister asked us to work together to ensure that this strategy of going to the International Criminal Court does not succeed,” Democratic congressman Steve Israel told the Post by phone from Tel Aviv.

Israel was one of a group of American lawmakers who met with Netanyahu in Israel on Wednesday.

Palestinian leaders met with ICC officials in The Hague this week, preparatory to making a formal application to join the international tribunal.


Read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.609436

Cheers

 

[hrotha]

...oh right, and the guys doing the slaughtering are just a regular bog standard run of the mill religious group....thank you so very much for pointing out that distinction....

...sort of re-affirms my deep and abiding "love" of any and all groups that identify themselves as religious....

Cheers

Way to put words in my mouth.

 

[Amsterhammer]

Meanwhile, the self-styled 'president' of the People's Rep. of Donetsk has resigned, and handed 'power' to the militia commander.

 

[ToreBear]

Meanwhile, the self-styled 'president' of the People's Rep. of Donetsk has resigned, and handed 'power' to the militia commander.

I think he went home to Moscow last week, so not really a surprise.

 

[blackcat]

imho, today was a watershed day in the most recent history of europe.

phenomenally, this is truly a testament to the sad state of our politicians and media - not one euro source in any euro language i read the news today had noticed it

let me introduce some background before i make my point...

almost 5 months back the eu and the us , in response to the crimea absorption, very pompously declared a plan of multi-stage sanctions to strangle russia's economy if vlad vladovich does not get the message.

with difficulty, slowly, with a lot of pressure from washington, finally, the 3d stage of the sectoral economic sanctions was implemented...now the bs black lists were supplemented by the real pain inflicted on russia's livelihood - banks, airlines, oil and gas industry.

what did russia do for almost 5 months of incessant threats and bashing ?

nothing, absolutely nothing but beaatchang that the sanctions are illegal. there were no even threats of counter sanctions except more of what they said they wont budge at - supporting rebels in the eastern ukraine.

today everything turned 180..they announced sweeping sanctions on ALL eu and us agricultural products and produce. this is tens of billions of business.

why do i call this the water shed day for europe ? b/c it is clearly a drastic change of behavior - from muttering and moaning to showing readiness to enter a full blown trade war.

moreover, russian sources spread the rumour of what they intend to do next - barring all countries civil airliners that joined the sanctions orgy from overflying russia on their way to asia and back.

this would be a particularly cunning and cruel move! not only the bypass routes would add 4 flight hours, they'd inevitably eventually raise fuel cost, then world oil prices as fuel demand skyrocketed (guess who is biggest exporter of oil standing to benefit - russia), then cascade into the general increase of cost of goods and services, any goods and services that factor oil as a component of its final reatal price...means worldwide inflation, slow down of economic growth ets and so on.

has europe in its 28-head stupidity and its boundless subservience to the us pressure thought through such scenarios ?

i very much doubt. will europe be more careful before entering the 2nd stage of theall-out trade war ? i very much hope so, but dont hold my breath.

natural gas exports are the big one. EU wont hold out for long. This will be like the Oil trade embargos in the 70s. Significant ramifications.

The additional demand for plane fuel, because of the no-flyover prevention, will do little to spike oil prices. More so, if Russia would withold what crude they offer to the international market. But if DC tell Saud to add an extra million barrels to the market overnight, (for the forseeable future) this this will have no significant effect.

 

[blackcat]

The Jews are making the stuff up about the tunnel network and rockets in schools / hospitals. Even if they had tunnels in gaza it would be for bomb shelters to protect the Palestinians. Jews do this all the time, make things up so they can bomb gaza. That tunnel stuff is a false flag.

Glenn, Israelis, Israelis. LEts not conflate the conflict to jews v arabs, this works for the Clash of Civilizations tome by Huntington.

The Gazan' Hamas had learnt a few tricks from Lebanon in 2006, when the Hezzies showed the IDF a bit of what-for, and handed them their @rse.

So the tunnels are two things. One, trade from Egypt. And defense like Vietcong.

nothing to do with joos tho. just a colonial project gone awry that dispossessed the natives. Could only end this way.

The IDF and Israel dont have the stomach for fatalities. Their ~65 IDF fatalities hurts. Like 9-11. It hurts. But the victimisation is a key trope of the culture of the Israelis.

 

[blackcat]

^discredited thesis of Huntington.

only worked as a piece of propaganda and self-fulfilling prophesy by neo-cons and the beltway think-w@nks like brookings pnac saban winep....

 

[Amsterhammer]

Prof. Chomsky, according to some the most cited living writer.

August 7, 2014 |



Amid all the horrors unfolding in the latest Israeli offensive in Gaza, Israel’s goal is simple: quiet-for-quiet, a return to the norm.

For the West Bank, the norm is that Israel continues its illegal construction of settlements and infrastructure so that it can integrate into Israel whatever might be of value, meanwhile consigning Palestinians to unviable cantons and subjecting them to repression and violence.

For Gaza, the norm is a miserable existence under a cruel and destructive siege that Israel administers to permit bare survival but nothing more.

The latest Israeli rampage was set off by the brutal murder of three Israeli boys from a settler community in the occupied West Bank. A month before, two Palestinian boys were shot dead in the West Bank city of Ramallah. That elicited little attention, which is understandable, since it is routine.

“The institutionalized disregard for Palestinian life in the West helps explain not only why Palestinians resort to violence,” Middle East analyst Mouin Rabbani reports, “but also Israel’s latest assault on the Gaza Strip.”

http://www.alternet.org/world/noam-chomsky-nightmare-gaza

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Glenn, Israelis, Israelis. LEts not conflate the conflict to jews v arabs, this works for the Clash of Civilizations tome by Huntington.

The Gazan' Hamas had learnt a few tricks from Lebanon in 2006, when the Hezzies showed the IDF a bit of what-for, and handed them their @rse.

So the tunnels are two things. One, trade from Egypt. And defense like Vietcong.

nothing to do with joos tho. just a colonial project gone awry that dispossessed the natives. Could only end this way.

The IDF and Israel dont have the stomach for fatalities. Their ~65 IDF fatalities hurts. Like 9-11. It hurts. But the victimisation is a key trope of the culture of the Israelis.

True. Sorta like that war that the Jews started with their neighbors back in the 60's ...that lasted 6 days before the Jews had to plea for a cease fire.

 

[hrotha]

True. Sorta like that war that the Jews started with their neighbors back in the 60's ...that lasted 6 days before the Jews had to plea for a cease fire.

The Six Day War and the Yom Kippur War were almost standard border conflict fare compared to what we see nowadays in Gaza. Plus, they can't be separated from their Cold War context. Apples and oranges.

That said, "the Jews" won the one in the 60s pretty handily. No pleading. The Yom Kippur War was a bit different though.

 

[Merckx index]

U.S. dropping food packages on residents of N. Iraq displaced by Isis. Airstrikes look increasingly likely to follow.

 

[Amsterhammer]

U.S. dropping food packages on residents of N. Iraq displaced by Isis. Airstrikes look increasingly likely to follow.

Obama speaks - The cavalry is on the way....humanitarian airdrops happening now...airstrikes authorized...NO boots on the ground.