World Politics

[Semper Fidelis]

....curious, is that a rhetorical question, or do you really have no idea?....

Cheers

I'm sure there is a blog out there somewhere that will tell us the truth.

 

[blutto]

I'm sure there is a blog out there somewhere that will tell us the truth.

....yeah, the one blog I consulted was absolutely positive it was the trans-dimensional shape shifting lizard creatures from Zar-dot....I'm not entirely convinced...what do you think?...

Cheers

 

[Scott SoCal]

Hmmmm.

11 jet aircraft reportedly missing from Tripoli airport.


Bill Gertz @BillGertz

Breaking: Islamists in Libya suspected of stealing 11 commercial jets after takeover of Tripoli airport. http://freebeacon.com/national-secu...ise-fears-of-suicide-airliner-attacks-on-911/

The officials quoted by Gertz said U.S. intelligence agencies now are trying to locate all the airplanes belonging to two Libyan airline companies, and they have not confirmed the aircraft theft, which reportedly happened after the takeover by terrorists of Tripoli International Airport in August.

Abderrahmane Mekkaoui, a Moroccan military expert, explained to Al Jazeera broadcasting that “credible intelligence” reports say the jets are intended for use by a group called Masked Men Brigade for attacks on the 9/11 date.

Gertz reported that a counterterrorism expert, Sebastian Gorka, explained the events that could develop with the stolen jets.

“The first would be how commercial airliners were used on Sept. 11, 2001, literally turning an innocent mode of mass transit into a super-high precision guided missile of immense potency,” he said.

“The second tactic could be to use the airframe with its civilian markings as a tool of deception to insert a full payload of armed terrorists into a locale that otherwise is always open to commercial carriers,” he said.

 

[blutto]

Hmmmm.

11 jet aircraft reportedly missing from Tripoli airport.


Bill Gertz @BillGertz

Breaking: Islamists in Libya suspected of stealing 11 commercial jets after takeover of Tripoli airport. http://freebeacon.com/national-secu...ise-fears-of-suicide-airliner-attacks-on-911/

...so it looks like the Arab Spring may soon become an Arab Autumn full of bright colours and stuff....don't ya just love it when all that careful planning works out so well....

Cheers

 

[ToreBear]

I was talking about the circumstances that led to national identity, which, in this case, go back to the early Middle Ages.

They had to do with a kultur that was generated by a linguistic metamorphosis, since the then primal Slavic tongue wasn't convenient to spread the Gospel, for which the monks I mentioned coined a new one, based on Byzantine Greek.

The fact remains that Russia feels its place to be within that orthodox realm, for which, even despite communism, Putin has made a neo-strong bond with the orthodox hierarchy.

In fact, the question goes beyond strategic, military and economic interests and into that realm of "histoire" that few are actualy considering from Moscow's point of view.

I think decision makers are well aware of the link between Putin, the Orthodox church, and their view of history. It is an influence, but one of many.

Also, we don't know if Putin uses these "movements" or the "movements" use him. I think it's Putin that is using them and not vice versa.

So when the West-Ukrainians make a revolution they are heroes.
When the east Ukrainians make one they are villans that have to be fought.
The double standart by the "west" is yet again mindblowing. Let people in east Ukraine decide where they wanna stand. If they wanna join Russia, so be it.
You can't back one unconstitutional revolution and condem the other one.

I don't think this is viewed as an uprising, it's viewed more as an insurgency created by Russia, led by Russians, supplied by Russia.

So I don't see a double standard when viewed in this light. And yes I too hold this belief.

Remember there are differences between being ethnic Russian, Russian speaking Ukrainian and Ukrainian speaking Russian. The east has a majority of Russian speakers, but not ethnic Russians. Also the Russian speakers and ethnic Russians are more centered in the cities while the countryside has a lot of Ukrainian speakers. So it's not possible to create a simple divide based on geography.

It is really hard to know what to believe in view of the copious amounts of bovine excrement being offered up by both sides.

I am particularly vexed by the fact that the downed airliner 'investigation' seems to have ground to a complete halt. Where are the Kiev control tower tapes of their communication with the plane? What have the experts concluded from the black boxes? Why is the silence deafening?

It's pretty much standard procedure in an Air accident investigation. I think you usually get a small preliminary report within 3 months that usually but not always doesn't inform much. Then It's usually a year at the minimum. So patience grasshopper.

Btw there was an accident in Norway in 2006. The final report came out in 2012. They still couldn't explain it to satisfaction. I doubt this case will take that long though.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Hmmmm.

11 jet aircraft reportedly missing from Tripoli airport.


Bill Gertz @BillGertz

Breaking: Islamists in Libya suspected of stealing 11 commercial jets after takeover of Tripoli airport. http://freebeacon.com/national-secu...ise-fears-of-suicide-airliner-attacks-on-911/

It's Obama's fault

 

[blutto]

It's Obama's fault

...yup....btw I asked you a question yesterday, and what, the cat got your tongue?....'cause we got this silence is deafening thang happening here big time and stuff..

Cheers

 

[Scott SoCal]

It's Obama's fault

The prez on August 29, 2014;

"And the truth of the matter is, is that the world has always been messy. In part, we’re just noticing now because of social media and our capacity to see in intimate detail the hardships that people are going through."

Apparently it's Twitter's fault.

 

[blutto]

....speaking of the great and grand trust btwn Germany and the US of A and it's absolutely on the level banking system here is an update on the "Germany wants their gold reserves back" story...

http://www.mining.com/germans-give-up-on-getting-back-their-gold-held-in-us-45305/

....not to get too conspiratorial here but am I the only person that finds the title of the article just a little weird....I guess the only that could be gleaned with any certainty from this is that there has been a change in policy....to revert back to the old status quo?, or to simply "give up" and head in a new direction?....coupled with a nudge toward stimulating the EU economies by the EU banking institutions ( and away from austerity ) ( which if I'm not mistaken is not good for bond holders )....

...anyways...curiouser and curiouser...

Cheers

 

[Semper Fidelis]

The prez on August 29, 2014;



Apparently it's Twitter's fault.

It's all so ...JV league ya know.

 

[python]

the german media has noticeably become attentive to anti-nato comments of some of the top german military...

2 d ago i linked to the der spiegel article pointing to nato calling ukraine militarily defeated...yesterday, dw published another critical material

Ex-general: NATO has failed blatantly in Ukraine
http://www.dw.de/ex-general-nato-has-failed-blatantly-in-ukraine/a-17895454

such articles are somewhat unusual compared to the usual tone in the west's msm.

is it the results of what i perceive german efforts to balance out away from a more aggressive american script for ukraine ?

 

[fatandfast]

the german media has noticeably become attentive to anti-nato comments of some of the top german military...

2 d ago i linked to the der spiegel article pointing to nato calling ukraine militarily defeated...yesterday, dw published another critical material

Ex-general: NATO has failed blatantly in Ukraine
http://www.dw.de/ex-general-nato-has-failed-blatantly-in-ukraine/a-17895454

such articles are somewhat unusual compared to the usual tone in the west's msm.

is it the results of what i perceive german efforts to balance out away from a more aggressive american script for ukraine ?

Strange how after the wall fell and the united Germany couldn't see the reasoning both politically and financially to have a large American contingent now all of Russia's neighbors are suggesting that UN forces be stationed in their countries. Germany was a great place to be based with excellent everything, from trains,roadways and air travel infrastructure in place. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania may really want the security but Poland is probably a better place to station a semi-permanent force.

When Putin f-kcs with the Europe oil/gas supply then maybe Germany will change. Vlad has a few more tricks up his sleeve I'm sure.
He shot 298 civilians out of the sky, took over a couple of countries and has not flinched so far from the idle threats from the un-united nations. Germans may be tipping toward something other than a full UN endorsement but that in my opinion has to do with a steady stream of fossil fuel for their economy.

Killing Dutch and Aussie kids was not enough for the UN to act. Shame on Germany and the US as the main members of the inept UN.

 

[Amsterhammer]

The Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, said he would order a ceasefire to begin on Friday at lunchtime if peace talks planned to be held in Minsk, Belarus, are confirmed.

Speaking on the sidelines of a Nato summit in Wales, Poroshenko said: "At 2pm local time (11am GMT) on Friday, provided the (Minsk) meeting takes place, I will call on the general staff to set up a bilateral ceasefire and we hope that the implementation of the peace plan will begin tomorrow."

The announcement comes after a phone conversation between Poroshenko and Vladimir Putin on Wednesday. The Russian president later released a seven-point "peace plan" for eastern Ukraine

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-poroshenko-ceasefire-minsk-peace-talks-putin

I'm for anything that stops killing and destruction.

 

[python]

Not to be a total pessimist, i mean something positive is bound to happen tomorrow in the long suffering ukraine (given the political capital germany and vlad had already invested), but i seriously doubt the shooting will stop...just as ukraine refused to seriously consider siezing hostilities when it was ahead, i doubt the rebels will stop when they are winning the war - according to nato's own assesment...more folks unfortunay may die tomorrow.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

...wouldn't say they are "right wing" as a whole though the vanguard that I referred to is definitely lunatic fringe right wing...and yes there is a strong undercurrent of anti-Russian feeling that goes well beyond WW2, more correctly to centuries of repression ( please note that in WW2 a great many Ukrainians fought on the Soviet side...the Nazis being considered the greater/greatest evil....and do also remember that Stalin was Georgian and both Khrushchev and Brezhnev were Ukrainian so please don't see the USSR as simply a Russian system, it was much more complicated than that...)

...that being said there has been a great deal of inter-marriage over the last few years that has forced a softening of that sentiment...except of course with America's bestest friend in this conflict, the Nazi vanguard of the glorious revolution...

.... which leads me to the following question....why is it that when the US of A charges off on one of their crusades to spread freedom, democracy, and the American way of life ( usually bad food, $h!tty movies, and vacuous music...as per The Hitch post.. ) they invariably ally themselves with the scummiest, most vile elements in the local neighborhood...?...

Cheers

The USA suffers from completely changing the POTUS every 8 years and in the name of the republic, let the 'people' do the picking. NOT saying it's a bad thing but what Bush does is different from what Clinton did or Obama.

Above is Bush's legacy in 2003 and what has helped to nurture the mess in Iraq/Syria right now.

Where is Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan..the stronger players in the region? Other than the fact that SA supported many of the terrorists in Syria that morphed into ISIS...???

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Strange how after the wall fell and the united Germany couldn't see the reasoning both politically and financially to have a large American contingent now all of Russia's neighbors are suggesting that UN forces be stationed in their countries. Germany was a great place to be based with excellent everything, from trains,roadways and air travel infrastructure in place. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania may really want the security but Poland is probably a better place to station a semi-permanent force.

When Putin f-kcs with the Europe oil/gas supply then maybe Germany will change. Vlad has a few more tricks up his sleeve I'm sure.
He shot 298 civilians out of the sky, took over a couple of countries and has not flinched so far from the idle threats from the un-united nations. Germans may be tipping toward something other than a full UN endorsement but that in my opinion has to do with a steady stream of fossil fuel for their economy.

Killing Dutch and Aussie kids was not enough for the UN to act. Shame on Germany and the US as the main members of the inept UN.

UN is a debating society, nothing more.

 

[blutto]

Above is Bush's legacy in 2003 and what has helped to nurture the mess in Iraq/Syria right now.

...wasn't thinking just about the Bush legacy, which admittedly was singularly special in its stupidity, but the entire period after WW2...which was one long period of associating with some pretty dodgy characters ( these being mostly corrupt, dictatorial/anti-democratic and much much worse... many of whom would make genuine Nazis look like ok folks... )...like what, the US of A felt at home with these folks?...

Cheers

 

[Bustedknuckle]

...wasn't thinking just about the Bush legacy, which admittedly was singularly special in its stupidity, but the entire period after WW2...which was one long period of associating with some pretty dodgy characters ( these being mostly corrupt, dictatorial/anti-democratic and much much worse... many of whom would make genuine Nazis look like ok folks... )...like what, the US of A felt at home with these folks?...

Cheers

I think the only group on par with Nazis are the scum bag, 7th century, animals called isis, right now. Nobody else comes to mind that did what the nazis did before and during WWII.

I think they felt at home because their politics didn't threaten the USA. Pay 'em enough, corrupt or not, and they will keep the 'bad guys' at bay. Dealing with the Shah of Iran, no doubt, and Nassar and Saddat. I think Korea and then VietNam helped the USA recognize that altho really big and powerful, they couldn't control others completely..like they did in WWII. Tried but...

 

[Amsterhammer]

A cease fire is to go into effect at 1700 CET. Heavy fighting still ongoing in the Mariopol area.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

...wasn't thinking just about the Bush legacy, which admittedly was singularly special in its stupidity, but the entire period after WW2...which was one long period of associating with some pretty dodgy characters ( these being mostly corrupt, dictatorial/anti-democratic and much much worse... many of whom would make genuine Nazis look like ok folks... )...like what, the US of A felt at home with these folks?...

Cheers

Ok who for example? On the same scale as what Z-Germans done?

I agree with the Nation building / trying to spread the USA way of government and life to other places. It is pure nonsense and as a country the USA should not get into that.

 

[blutto]

Ok who for example? On the same scale as what Z-Germans done?

...well for starters the Kuomintang ( the US of A's first, and arguably, biggest post WW2 foreign policy blunder...and btw the blueprint for most subsequent blunders ) ....the Shah's regime in Iran.... the friendly folks you are, and have been, in bed with in Egypt .... that dog's breakfast of far right regimes that the US of A has backed in Southern and Central America....and more recently, your fine drug running allies/friends in Afghanistan, The Northern Alliance....the "freedom" fighters in Syria...the scummy vanguard of the glorious revolution in The Ukraine....those wonderful democracy loving totally non-corrupt guys in P****stan ..... then there are your super special friends the Saudis..... ( and btw the last two have more than a passing relationship to this thang called 9-11....)

...and yeah you got me on the scale thing ( though I would bet you if you added up all of the destruction that those interventions have wreaked it may approach the Nazi totals....I mean Viet Nam was a real doozy weren't it and there are still people dying from the Agent Orange disaster(...but hey it was worth it because those people you were fighting for were just so straight arrow...and lets not get into the Khmer Rouge thang because that connection is a little vague... ) but in their own little fiefdoms they were just as vicious and bloodthirsty....like they had the "right" attitude they just didn't have the means...

Cheers

 

[BigMac]

I think the only group on par with Nazis are the scum bag, 7th century, animals called isis, right now. Nobody else comes to mind that did what the nazis did before and during WWII.

[...]

Ever heard of that guy Stalin? The Holodomor was as horrendous. Or that other one further southeast, Mao Zedong.

 

[python]

the ceasefire in ukraine, to my mild surprise, appears to hold...moreover, the antagonists in the negotiations are sending cautiously worded, optimistic signals regarding the remaining differences.

the difference between yesterday and today, literally, is stark and hard to fathom if looked at from the point of uncompromising ideological warfare the sides swore by just 24 hours ago..

to set aside the analysis and the root cause for such a drastic change, clearly it would be impossible w/o the general agreement between the masters of the warring proxies.

obviously, vlad and whoever pulls the strings in ukraine today, have found a broad agreement...

that vlad appears the architect and a major beneficiary is a no brainer.

but imo what we have witnessed today is the FIRST sign, and a considerable success to boot, of the new german assertiveness in its foreign policy.

was germany acting outside the us original script ? i have no doubt she did !

did obama eventually let germany do what she did - to push hard for a compromise - i also have no doubts. after all, obama has got too many begger problems to deal with immediately - from isis to syria, to china..

 

[laurel1969]

Ok who for example? On the same scale as what Z-Germans done?

I agree with the Nation building / trying to spread the USA way of government and life to other places. It is pure nonsense and as a country the USA should not get into that.

They aren't.

Thats just the line they sell to Americans to get them to accept lots of expense, lots of body bags with us flags on them, and lots and lots of dead foreign civilians (that us news networks don't report)

They usually have to couple it with a claim that the country they are destroying is a threat to the US. Get the domestic voters scared.

Don't worry, our UK governments had done exactly the same when they ave wanted to go and steal somebody else's oil.

Its (almost) never about principles.

 

[blackcat]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-poroshenko-ceasefire-minsk-peace-talks-putin

I'm for anything that stops killing and destruction.

its cos Poroshenko was getting his @rse handed to him by the East