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[Amsterhammer]

Anders Breivik was also a good Christian who hated Muslims... Foxxy, are you sure you want to lump yourself in with his lot?

In reality, this is a criminal act. The criminals will be caught or killed and then put on trial. Condemning 23% of the world's population based on the criminal acts of a few people (who have not even been identified, let alone designated as belonging to a particular group) is bigoted and hateful.

More nuanced - in the history of "terrorism", the perpetrators are usually acting out against a real or perceived injustice by a powerful force. An example could include the ETA, PIRA, ELF, or maybe even Greenpeace. It's often enlightening to try and figure out why these groups are so p1ssed off. Yelling hatred on cycling forums... not so much.

John Swanson

Thank you. There are still sane people here.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

In reality, this is a criminal act.

Nope! It´s an act of the holy war against those "disbelievers" who raised their arms (in this case just by cartoons ) against the barbaric religion of islam!

Latest news from MSM (!), eye-witnesses: "al-quaida... Jemen... Allahu Akbar... Kalaschnikows... Revenge for the Prophet Mohammed... "Charlie Hebdo" is dead... military dressed men... rocket launcher... military training...NOT frenzied attacker but planned attack... terrorist attack..."

The whole article (in german, may google translator helps)

http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/...amen-mit-Raketenwerfer-und-Kalaschnikows.html

... right here, in the heart of Europe!

Guys, there is no need to play the apologist card. It´s an islamic attack based on the quran. Simple as that!

 

[Amsterhammer]

Dozens of demonstrations have been developing around the world in the wake of Wednesday's massacre in Paris at the offices of the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo, where masked gunmen murdered 12 and injured 10 others. French newspaper Le Monde is tracking the growing number of rallies, including those in Berlin, London, New York, and Montreal.

In Paris on Wednesday evening, a crowd reportedly numbering in the thousands gathered at Place de la Republique, rallying in solidarity around the phrase "Je Suis Charlie," or "I am Charlie." Some raised pens in tribute to the slain cartoonists.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/01/je-suis-charlie-demonstrations-paris-massacre

Paris police have identified three men as the likely suspects. They may have been 'jihadis' who returned from Syria/Iraq.

 

[hrotha]

How do all the Muslims who do the vast majority of the fighting (and the dying) against Islamic terrorism, in the Middle East and elsewhere, fit your world view?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

How do all the Muslims who do the vast majority of the fighting (and the dying) against Islamic terrorism, in the Middle East and elsewhere, fit your world view?

I am living in Europe. Can´t speak of countries who elect politicans that implement the Scharia. It´s beyond me.

 

[blutto]

In reality, this is a criminal act. The criminals will be caught or killed and then put on trial. Condemning 23% of the world's population based on the criminal acts of a few people (who have not even been identified, let alone designated as belonging to a particular group) is bigoted and hateful.

John Swanson

...speaking of related criminal activities....

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Tony Blair could face war crimes charges as a result of the Iraq war inquiry report, the House of Lords has been told.

Lord Dykes of Harrow Weald, a Liberal Democrat peer, claimed that the publication of the inquiry by Sir John Chilcot was being delayed “to prolong the agony” of the former Labour Prime Minister.

Lord Hurd – who as Douglas Hurd was Conservative foreign secretary from 1989 to 1995 – said the delay was now "becoming a scandal".

Lord Wallace of Saltaire, a Government minister, disclosed for the first time that talks over the publication of the gist of conversations between Mr Blair and George W Bush, the former US president, were now completed.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ld-face-war-crimes-charges-over-Iraq-War.html

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....and do please remember that Blair, a self-confessed devout Christian, and his good friend and comrade in arms, G W Bush, another self confessed devout Christian, led what might as well have been a crusade ( read holy war...assuming of course that money can be considered in some way holy ), made possible by a veritable parade of bald face lies, that completely destroyed a country, and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of complete innocents....

...I sincerely hope the perpetrators of the very recent atrocity in Paris are caught and get the justice they so richly deserve....and I also wish the same befalls those who led the aforementioned crusade, as a well as the fellow travellers who both facilitated it, and directly benefitted from its outcome....

Cheers

 

[Amsterhammer]

...I sincerely hope the perpetrators of the very recent atrocity in Paris are caught and get the justice they so richly deserve....and I also wish the same befalls those who led the aforementioned crusade, as a well as the fellow travellers who both facilitated it, and directly benefitted from its outcome....

Cheers

Could not agree more!

 

[Echoes]

Breivik a good Christian? As a matter of fact, he's a freemason (so secularist):
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Bfm0bQl7_...AV0c/0h5MTbdttLc/s1600/Breivik+Freemasons.jpg


Bush and Blair were Christians but the neocons who planified the Iraq War come from the 70's left-wing liberal agenda (hippie period). So secularists again. Jonathan Clarke describes it pretty well. http://globetrotter.berkeley.edu/people5/Clarke/clarke-con4.html


Secularist Sarkozy led France into a bloody war against Lybia. Charlie Hebdo was among his biggest supporters. Thousands of dead.

As a matter of fact, it's interesting that Breivik is picked out any time there's a Wahhabit attack. You set Muslims against Christians. That's the Clash of Civilisations theory. Who benefit from the crimes?

To some extent it reminds me of the Years of Lead in Europe in the 1970's and 1980's when far-right and far-left were set against each other, while we now know that most of them were NATO false flag (Operation Gladio). The strategia della tenzione (spelling probably wrong but okay). In order for the government to take new liberticid measures.

Remember what it was in Italy. The Piazza Fontana Attack in 1969, Brescia Attack in 1974, the Bologna Station attack 1980. Aldo Moro's kidnapping. And in Germany the Oktoberfest attack in 1980. Then the Brabant shooting in Brussels (1982 to 1985).


Looks like we are in a new Years of Lead period and I'm scared. History repeats itself. "If you don't know your history, it's as if you were born yesterday. If you were born yesterday, anyone in a high up position can tell you anything" (Howard Zinn).

 

[del1962]

Charlie Hebdo is the crappest liberal ultra-Zionist tabloid you can think of in France. They've multiplied provocation for the last five years. They've really been looking for trouble for years. How many times have they advocate for censorship for comedian Dieudonné?

A lot of people have warned for years against the careless Islamophobic rants in the French MSM and by French statesmen, that it was an irresponsible stance considering the economic situation we are living in, plus the tensed international situation. How come that a guy like Eric Zemmour got invited in every TV-show without any decent contradictors to spread his Islamophobic rants, is beyond me.

I won't shed a tear at all for the cartoonists.

Rather for the police agents. Because the constitutional bodies in France know that the situation is very unhealthy, that the government's liberal (atheistic) policy is an epic failure and they are the first target. They hate the missions that they sometimes get.

The French liberal/atheistic (so-called secularist) school system is also responsible here for most of these terrorists are pure products of this system (they've been born and raised there) which is a total disaster in terms of discipline and culture. Yeah I accuse! These liberals first have need some self-criticism before accusing.

And those who claim I excusing these attacks, only have my contempt ...

And Echoes wins the Heinrich Himmler award.

Of course because they where Zionist (or not but at least the terrorist and you thought they were) deserve to be dead, what a load of bullsh1t.

You know this is the attitude that perpetrates antisemitism in europe often masquarading behind a respectable cloak of anti-zionism, not that the knee jerk reaction by some posters helps, not all Muslims are the same and you cannot lump them all together, this is an extreme brand of Islam.

 

[Shingshan]

Well I will not shed a tear for those who kill helpless people on the ground, or urmaned people at their workplace, no matter what relegion they are.

I just hope they get caught. For the rest

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Anders Breivik was also a good Christian who hated Muslims... Foxxy, are you sure you want to lump yourself in with his lot?

In reality, this is a criminal act. The criminals will be caught or killed and then put on trial. Condemning 23% of the world's population based on the criminal acts of a few people (who have not even been identified, let alone designated as belonging to a particular group) is bigoted and hateful.

More nuanced - in the history of "terrorism", the perpetrators are usually acting out against a real or perceived injustice by a powerful force. An example could include the ETA, PIRA, ELF, or maybe even Greenpeace. It's often enlightening to try and figure out why these groups are so p1ssed off. Yelling hatred on cycling forums... not so much.

John Swanson

So true. Those cartoonist were killing there innocent women and children with those drawings. It was shock and awe bro.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

...speaking of related criminal activities....

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Tony Blair could face war crimes charges as a result of the Iraq war inquiry report, the House of Lords has been told.

Lord Dykes of Harrow Weald, a Liberal Democrat peer, claimed that the publication of the inquiry by Sir John Chilcot was being delayed “to prolong the agony” of the former Labour Prime Minister.

Lord Hurd – who as Douglas Hurd was Conservative foreign secretary from 1989 to 1995 – said the delay was now "becoming a scandal".

Lord Wallace of Saltaire, a Government minister, disclosed for the first time that talks over the publication of the gist of conversations between Mr Blair and George W Bush, the former US president, were now completed.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ld-face-war-crimes-charges-over-Iraq-War.html

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....and do please remember that Blair, a self-confessed devout Christian, and his good friend and comrade in arms, G W Bush, another self confessed devout Christian, led what might as well have been a crusade ( read holy war...assuming of course that money can be considered in some way holy ), made possible by a veritable parade of bald face lies, that completely destroyed a country, and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of complete innocents....

...I sincerely hope the perpetrators of the very recent atrocity in Paris are caught and get the justice they so richly deserve....and I also wish the same befalls those who led the aforementioned crusade, as a well as the fellow travellers who both facilitated it, and directly benefitted from its outcome....

Cheers

Yup cause dropping bombs is the same as drawing and printing.

Blutto sometimes we can agree but the way you equate everything into a bush western makes me wonder.

Religion of Peace Brah.

 

[The Hitch]

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And those who claim I excusing these attacks, only have my contempt ...

So when you posted on velorooms this morning "Charlie hebdo got what they were looking for" you think that wasn't excusing the attacks?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

So when you posted on velorooms this morning "Charlie hebdo got what they were looking for" you think that wasn't excusing the attacks?

2 FACED

Nice to know the true nature of the post. Thanks Hitch.

 

[thirteen]

2 FACED

Nice to know the true nature of the post. Thanks Hitch.

+1

this all just disgusts me

 

[The Hitch]

Anders Breivik was also a good Christian who hated Muslims... Foxxy, are you sure you want to lump yourself in with his lot?

In reality, this is a criminal act. The criminals will be caught or killed and then put on trial. Condemning 23% of the world's population based on the criminal acts of a few people (who have not even been identified, let alone designated as belonging to a particular group) is bigoted and hateful.

More nuanced - in the history of "terrorism", the perpetrators are usually acting out against a real or perceived injustice by a powerful force. An example could include the ETA, PIRA, ELF, or maybe even Greenpeace. It's often enlightening to try and figure out why these groups are so p1ssed off. Yelling hatred on cycling forums... not so much.

John Swanson

I'm sorry, what exactly is the injustice.

If you are going to argue that anyone who spreads terror among a wider population, must hace some justification for doing so, then let's take that argument to it's logical conclusion. Jack the ripper must have been a freedom fighter. Bonne and Clide as well. So too are drug cartels who bomb newspapers that identify their leaders. In fact I suppose rapists themselves can also count as a group. They are protesting the injustice of not being allowed to rape

 

[Echoes]

I note that a shout that I left on a private shoutbox somewhere else is now disclosed in public here. Always the same indecent methods by the same people. But well I said the exact same thing here. So that means that that poster can't read...


And obviously it's not an excuse at all, for those who have more than 2 brain cells.

Beside I'm just listening again to an interview by Jean Bricmont, back in August 2012. Bricmont is a Belgian physicist, at the University of Leuven. He's anti-religion, so normally a "good guy" and yet Charlie Hebdo treated him as a "Brown support of Assad", so a Fascist (a bit like I'm called a Himmler, here), just because he was against a foreign military intervention in Syria at the time of the crisis. These people were just insane fanatics. They supported all the recent dirty wars. That's why they really put their lives at risk. A lot of people had warned them for many years. They wouldn't listen to. If you think that a few Islamophobic cartoons were the problem ... A lot of comedians in France crack jokes on Islam and they don't risk anything because they are not political activists like these people and certainly not warmongerers. They are. I am francophone and am very well informed about this crap "newspaper".

 

[The Hitch]

I note that a shout that I left on a private shoutbox somewhere else is now disclosed in public here. Always the same indecent methods by the same people. But well I said the exact same thing here. So that means that that poster can't read... ".

Isn't it telling that you showed 10 times the outrage at me quoting what you said on velorooms as you have at the actual atrocity?

And yes saying they got what they wanted is saying that people who print satire want to be massacred by 9th century demagogues. Which IS excusing the attacks.

Ps, funny how you keep calling everyone cowards (and on a number of occasions have said all atheists are cowards) but your so scared of engaging my posts which expose you and scared of what you said on a small forum being reposted here.

 

[The Hitch]

I also remember when a post of yours got edited and you got warned, for antisemitism you cried about free speech and even threatened the moderators.

But now you say free speech shouldn't apply to print magazines.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

 

[neineinei]

Breivik a good Christian? As a matter of fact, he's a freemason (so secularist):
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Bfm0bQl7_...AV0c/0h5MTbdttLc/s1600/Breivik+Freemasons.jpg

Anders Behring Breiviks goal is to throw the muslims out of Europe and make Europe christian again, he thinks it will happen in the year of the 400th anniversary of the battle of Vienna. His love of the freemasonry builds on their shared facination of the Knights Templar, and the freemasons costumes. He was to all of five meetings at his lodge after they accepted him.

 

[blutto]

Yup cause dropping bombs is the same as drawing and printing.

Blutto sometimes we can agree but the way you equate everything into a bush western makes me wonder.

Religion of Peace Brah.

...oh boy....lets start by noting we have agreed in the past and hopefully we will agree on many things in the future....but your response here mystifies though there is the distinct possibility that I wasn't clear enough ( or maybe just maybe you may have read my post in haste and didn't tie it into its relationship to a previous post )....

...so to reiterate....the atrocity in Paris was at base a crime that demands justice be brought to bear on the perps who slaughtered people that presented no immediate danger to the perps....the ongoing atrocity that is Iraq is also at base a crime that demands that justice be brought to bear on the perps who facilitated the slaughter of people that presented no immediate danger to those perps....

...in both cases justices needs to meted out in no uncertain terms....and seeing as the perps in both cases are real old school in their religious thinking something like burning at the stake ( or liberally sprinkled with weaponized phosphorous which is the modern equivalent ) or being drawn and quartered seems a sorta appropriate sentence....but only after they have been given a fair trial....

...and the fact that both stories surfaced on the same day is simply an odd coincidence so please don't jump to equate stuff ....

Cheers

 

[blackcat]

Anders Behring Breiviks goal is to throw the muslims out of Europe and make Europe christian again, he thinks it will happen in the year of the 400th anniversary of the battle of Vienna. His love of the freemasonry builds on their shared facination of the Knights Templar, and the freemasons costumes. He was to all of five meetings at his lodge after they accepted him.

pim fortuyn theo van gogh gert wilders

elected politicians. in the lowlands.

 

[blackcat]

Yup cause dropping bombs is the same as drawing and printing.

Blutto sometimes we can agree but the way you equate everything into a bush western makes me wonder.

Religion of Peace Brah.

nah Glen, you misinterpreted the analogy/metaphor.

was, taking the West to war in Mesopotamia = War Crime, the criminals in Paris who committed colded blooded mass murder = debased criminals.

the post was about criminal action.

The cartoonists, they were just unwitting victims. Tho, they may have considered they were invoking some press freedom, when another interpretation may have been they were invoking samuel huntington's debunked thesis on Clash. Like those in Copenhagen. Yes, you can do satire. But satire in context when George W talks about a crusade, and the conflagration in Mesopotamia.

remember, you are ex uniform.

They aphorism bu the intelligence service goes
torture them in Damascus(Syria)
make them talk in Amman(Jordan)
make them disappear in Cairo(Egypt)

so we would send people to Assad in Damascus if we wanted them to squeal. Maher Arar?

He was "our b@stard. until he wasnt.

 

[frenchfry]

...
And those who claim I excusing these attacks, only have my contempt ...

In fact, you only have contempt for anyone who doesn't think EXACTLY like you on all points.

Carry on.

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

In reality, this is a criminal act. The criminals will be caught or killed and then put on trial. Condemning 23% of the world's population based on the criminal acts of a few people (who have not even been identified, let alone designated as belonging to a particular group) is bigoted and hateful.

More nuanced - in the history of "terrorism", the perpetrators are usually acting out against a real or perceived injustice by a powerful force. An example could include the ETA, PIRA, ELF, or maybe even Greenpeace. It's often enlightening to try and figure out why these groups are so p1ssed off. Yelling hatred on cycling forums... not so much.

John Swanson

Thanks for this. It's good to know that there's still some sane people on this forum.