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The horrific decapitations of 24 Coptic Christians from Egypt along the shores of Libya and threats that ISIS is now just south of Rome, signifies that there is no alternative but confronting the enemy.

Such radicals must not sieze power in the Mediterranean, or else war with Europe is inevitable.

After creating the enemy the enemy must be confronted, there's some oil fueled reason for you. Blowback from the colonies...hahaha
, the Israelis are laughing. Welcome to 1948 - the redux in reverse.


Welcome to World War Three
http://kunstler.com/cluster****-nation/welcome-to-world-war-three/

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/what-isis-really-wants/ar-BBhFUKq

Just a tiny little bit from the text (I dont wanna overstrain all the fake lefties here):

Muslims can say that slavery is not legitimate now, and that crucifixion is wrong at this historical juncture. Many say precisely this. But they cannot condemn slavery or crucifixion outright without contradicting the Koran and the example of the Prophet. "The only principled ground that the Islamic States opponents could take is to say that certain core texts and traditional teachings of Islam are no longer valid," Bernard Haykel says. (But) That really would be an act of apostasy.

If you fake lefties wouldnt be to lazy to get informed about the islam, you wouldnt call us tolerant freedom lovers "racist, fascist, intolerant, bigot, xenophobic, and what the heck else" lies, just to try to shut us down.

Instead to parrot the unqualified BS you take from the (either lying and/or uninformed) politicans and MSM, get informed, built a own opinion, and after that, come up with real arguments instead of personal insults. Nobody is perfect, so just get started. You may save a little bit of our Europe then. I would appreciate it.

Edit: This one need to be quoted;

Western officials would probably do best to refrain from weighing in on matters of Islamic theological debate altogether. Barack Obama himself drifted into takfiri waters when he claimed that the Islamic State was "not Islamic"-the irony being that he, as the non-Muslim son of a Muslim, may himself be classified as an apostate, and yet is now practicing takfir against Muslims. Non-Muslims practicing takfir elicits chuckles from jihadists ("Like a pig covered in feces giving hygiene advice to others," one tweeted).

Oh my... what an a-hole you have as President of the USA. The worst ever (not only coz of that, but it adds to his countless mistakes). Without a tiny doubt. Cant talk w/o telepromter, un-educated* (see the quote just posted), is a monstrous liar ("change"... nothing changed), is a monstrous hypocrite (pretending to be for peace, yet invading Ukraine and having the biggest military budget ever)... a fake leftie by pure defenition... With republicans at least you know what you get upfront.

* I mean one who studies and becomes a nerd of his profession (whatever that might be in the case of Obama), doesnt necessarily mean one is intelligent, blessed with common sense, and can connect dots...
As I said a year or so ago: Ronald Reagan was better. At least he had charisma. A guy I imagine as a grandpa telling funny old-time stories all night long, never getting tired.

 

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Just a tiny little bit from the text (I dont wanna overstrain all the fake lefties here):

Muslims can say that slavery is not legitimate now, and that crucifixion is wrong at this historical juncture. Many say precisely this. But they cannot condemn slavery or crucifixion outright without contradicting the Koran and the example of the Prophet. "The only principled ground that the Islamic States opponents could take is to say that certain core texts and traditional teachings of Islam are no longer valid," Bernard Haykel says. (But) That really would be an act of apostasy.

If you fake lefties wouldnt be to lazy to get informed about the islam, you wouldnt call us tolerant freedom lovers "racist, fascist, intolerant, bigot, xenophobic, and what the heck else" lies, just to try to shut us down.

Instead to parrot the unqualified BS you take from the (either lying and/or uninformed) politicans and MSM, get informed, built a own opinion, and after that, come up with real arguments instead of personal insults. Nobody is perfect, so just get started. You may save a little bit of our Europe then. I would appreciate it.

It looks as though Europe is going to collapse economically and become Muslim. Oh well, you had a good run.

 

[Echoes]

That would be great...


By the way a reminder of how the Zionist lobby groups are using (or trying to) nationalist movements for their own Islamophobic purpose (by Nick Griffin): ...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2...nservateurs-sionistes-americains_news?start=1

 

[Semper Fidelis]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/what-isis-really-wants/ar-BBhFUKq

That is to much of a good explanation. I guess no one here was interested in what these fine peaceful folks are about.

 

[del1962]

That would be great...


By the way a reminder of how the Zionist lobby groups are using (or trying to) nationalist movements for their own Islamophobic purpose (by Nick Griffin): ...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2...nservateurs-sionistes-americains_news?start=1

Hmm, Nick Griffin former leader of the BNP (British National Party), racist and holocaust denier, I think I will give that one a miss.

 

[patricknd]

That is to much of a good explanation. I guess no one here was interested in what these fine peaceful folks are about.

have you ordered your Kevlar turtleneck yet?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

have you ordered your Kevlar turtleneck yet?

Back during the Barbary Pirates days it was necessary for the USA version of the Marines to be established and a nick name was born from the uniform with the leather collar worn by US Marines and UK marines (the originals were UK types). leathernecks

Anyhow your Kevlar turtleneck post is appropriate as we are in those types of days again it seems.

I guess I need to innovate and start producing Kevlar turleneck's.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I guess no one here was interested in what these fine peaceful folks are about.

OFC not. Imagine the fake lefties would be interested. Unthinkable. Their whole house of cards would tumble down.

Better strategy: Play it dumb, blind and deaf... prolongs the period to call us racists and else... And later they say: "Oh we didnt know that. If we had, we would have stand up."... Cowards trou and trou!

This goes on since 1933. The lefties gave in. At least in Germany. It was the absolute end. Since then only shit came from them.
1st they got under the umbrella of the Nationalsocialists > Dictatorship.
2nd they moved into under the Stalin umbrella > Dictatorship. (In the west under US protection, giving away sovereignty)
3rd they moved left altogether (Merkels CDU is more left than the most extreme democrates in the USA), suppress everything that goes against pc, islam, EU bureaucracy, gender mainstreaming, bankster rescues, and some more etc. > EU dictatorship.

The fake lefties that took over after 1933 are no inch better than the islamic intruders. And I have to read their BS, insults, and attacks even here (see "Rechtschreibfehler" for example). Its one big ugly disgust.

 

[Echoes]

Hmm, Nick Griffin former leader of the BNP (British National Party), racist and holocaust denier, I think I will give that one a miss.

My comment was not an appraisal of Griffin. After all he's still an Islamophobe, so he's clearly not on my political line. I even think that those Conservatives who bash Islam are doing a dirty job because it's apparent that we should get together. Muslims are also Conservative. If we remain divided, it can only work for the liberal enemy.

Actually, this clip shows that those Zionists lobby groups are prepared to an alliance with anybody if it may serve their interest. We saw that in Ukraine too. If they can crack some Muslims or Russian Orthodox, it's always good.


By the way, I recently saw a doco on France TV about FBI informants who sneak into mosks in order to create terrorists and then catch them. I realise that Al-Jazeera made the same doco last summer. Don't know if any of you mentioned it. What it makes me think is that the Frogs from the DCRI are probably as wicked as the Yanks and that the gunmen from the Charlie Hebdo attack might very well have been manipulated in pretty much the same way and they ended up doing the job. On a fee of course and not in order to become a martyr of some sort.


Also who was the French ambassador who attended the conference about "freedom of speech" (sic) in Copenhagen, the other day.

Fran?ois Zimeray:
-Ultra-Zionist through and through. Former MEP who campaigned against EU aid to Palestine.
-Supporter of Ben Ali
-Founder of the "Cercle L?on Blum", a Jewish left-wing lobby group that is inspired by Aipac and that finances elected people who are sensitive to the Israeli question
-Supporter of Paul Kagame, the butcher of Rwanda & Congo
-Supporter of the Iraq War in 2003 (though critical of how it was carried out)
-Appointed by the French Foreign Office to check whether the Assad regime committed crimes against humanity.

So this guy would tell Muslims what freedom of speech is?

 

[del1962]

My comment was not an appraisal of Griffin. After all he's still an Islamophobe, so he's clearly not on my political line. I even think that those Conservatives who bash Islam are doing a dirty job because it's apparent that we should get together. Muslims are also Conservative. If we remain divided, it can only work for the liberal enemy.

Actually, this clip shows that those Zionists lobby groups are prepared to an alliance with anybody if it may serve their interest. We saw that in Ukraine too. If they can crack some Muslims or Russian Orthodox, it's always good.


By the way, I recently saw a doco on France TV about FBI informants who sneak into mosks in order to create terrorists and then catch them. I realise that Al-Jazeera made the same doco last summer. Don't know if any of you mentioned it. What it makes me think is that the Frogs from the DCRI are probably as wicked as the Yanks and that the gunmen from the Charlie Hebdo attack might very well have been manipulated in pretty much the same way and they ended up doing the job. On a fee of course and not in order to become a martyr of some sort.


Also who was the French ambassador who attended the conference about "freedom of speech" (sic) in Copenhagen, the other day.

Fran?ois Zimeray:
-Ultra-Zionist through and through. Former MEP who campaigned against EU aid to Palestine.
-Supporter of Ben Ali
-Founder of the "Cercle L?on Blum", a Jewish left-wing lobby group that is inspired by Aipac and that finances elected people who are sensitive to the Israeli question
-Supporter of Paul Kagame, the butcher of Rwanda & Congo
-Supporter of the Iraq War in 2003 (though critical of how it was carried out)
-Appointed by the French Foreign Office to check whether the Assad regime committed crimes against humanity.

So this guy would tell Muslims what freedom of speech is?

Cant be bothered to read your waffle, however I have a very low opinion of you because I am convinced you are an anti-semite,

 

[blutto]

'drunken rebels'

....speaking of the drunken rebels you keep referring to...

"ARTEMIVSK, Ukraine ? As violence continued to plague eastern Ukraine on Thursday, demoralized Ukrainian soldiers straggled into the town of Artemivsk, griping about incompetent leadership and recounting desperate conditions and gruesome killing as they beat a haphazard retreat from the strategic town of Debaltseve.

Gunshots rang out on the central square, as many soldiers began drinking heavily. One soldier stood, swaying, on the sidewalk mumbling to himself. Others, who had escaped from Debaltseve after weeks of shelling, were seizing taxicabs without payment. It was not clear that all of them had been given places to sleep, and one group stood silently, shivering on a street outside the Hotel Ukraine.

At Biblios, an upscale restaurant, soldiers tramped about the dining room, ordering brandy that they could not afford, then firing shots into the ceiling as the paying guests quietly fled the premises."

...and as you well know its stuff like this that really wins the heart and soul of the populace...

...from... http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/20/w...to-try-to-impose-ukraine-cease-fire.html?_r=1

Cheers

 

[ToreBear]

Interesting article Blutto. You missed some quotes:

The insistence by the four leaders ? President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, President Petro O. Poroshenko of Ukraine, President Fran?ois Hollande of France and Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany ? that the cease-fire still had a chance of succeeding seemed exceedingly optimistic given the reports of shelling and artillery fire relayed by 20 monitoring teams from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.

Michael Bociurkiw, a spokesman for the organization?s monitoring mission in Ukraine, said that the cease-fire was being observed selectively at best, and he criticized the separatist forces for blocking observers from Debaltseve, where he said many civilians were trapped ?in dire conditions? after a weekslong siege.

There were also warnings that the separatists, having achieved victory in Debaltseve, would continue a push to seize more territory."

" Mr. Bociurkiw also read from a statement by the chief of the monitoring mission, Ertugrul Apakan, a Turkish diplomat, who said he was ?profoundly disturbed? by the events at Debaltseve, especially the civilian casualties.

Mr. Apakan also said he ?condemned any attempts to create new facts on the ground and so to change the basis on which the latest package of Minsk measures were agreed on.?

I think the people of Debaltseve would have preffered a shot up restaurant compared to the flattened wasteland that remains of their city after six months of Russian bombardment.

The Russians are much less sensitive to causing civilian casualties than the Ukrainians. The Russians have control of their media space, so they can quickly refocus any negative narratives showing up.

2 kids killed by Russian shelling on Artemivsk on 13.02:
https://pressimus.com/Interpreter_Mag/press/6829

Russians using cluster munitions on Kramatorsk on 10.02:
https://pressimus.com/Interpreter_Mag/press/6768
The video in this link shows the cluster munitions impacting in the streets of Kramatorsk:
https://pressimus.com/Interpreter_Mag/press/6765

The OSCE report and updated casualty numbers:
https://pressimus.com/Interpreter_Mag/press/6777
7 civilians killed and 26 injured, including 5 wounded children.

The Russians were likely targeting the airbase just outside Kramatorsk. But the weapons they used is a good indication of how little regard they have for civilian casualties.

Cluster munitions are banned by most countries, but not Russia and Ukraine (as well as the US, China, Israel etc.)

But, I'm not sure their use in cities can be regarded as legal according to international law.


For some information on the current state of the conflict, this is a good panel discussion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KvgP4LlDes

It's about a report by a lot of US diplomats into the way ahead for US policy which can be found here, but it is also a good way to get an understanding of the conflict without getting lost in a myriad of Russian disinformation and propaganda:
http://www.brookings.edu/research/reports/2015/02/ukraine-independence-russian-aggression

None of them are "Hawks" or neocons.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

....speaking of the drunken rebels you keep referring to...

"ARTEMIVSK, Ukraine ? As violence continued to plague eastern Ukraine on Thursday, demoralized Ukrainian soldiers straggled into the town of Artemivsk, griping about incompetent leadership and recounting desperate conditions and gruesome killing as they beat a haphazard retreat from the strategic town of Debaltseve.

Gunshots rang out on the central square, as many soldiers began drinking heavily. One soldier stood, swaying, on the sidewalk mumbling to himself. Others, who had escaped from Debaltseve after weeks of shelling, were seizing taxicabs without payment. It was not clear that all of them had been given places to sleep, and one group stood silently, shivering on a street outside the Hotel Ukraine.

At Biblios, an upscale restaurant, soldiers tramped about the dining room, ordering brandy that they could not afford, then firing shots into the ceiling as the paying guests quietly fled the premises."

...and as you well know its stuff like this that really wins the heart and soul of the populace...

...from... http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/20/w...to-try-to-impose-ukraine-cease-fire.html?_r=1

Cheers

What a mess. Another proxy war is coming, I suspect.

 

[rhubroma]

What a mess. Another proxy war is coming, I suspect.

What is maddening is that arming, almost like an uncontainable knee-jerk, seems to be the only response. Well we have been arming others for quite some time now and, not surprisingly, the world is in a constant state of tention for either potential or active war. Certainly the Putins of the world are of no help. However, it is simply a deplorable fact that the arms trade has seen a 30% growth since the crisis began in 2008.

It makes me wonder how long we can keep things reasonably under control, before a fatal catastrophe (either in the form of another global conflict, or an act of terrorism the devestating likes of which have never been seen)?

 

[Bustedknuckle]

What is maddening is that arming, almost like an uncontainable knee-jerk, seems to be the only response. Well we have been arming others for quite some time now and, not surprisingly, the world is in a constant state of tention for either potential or active war. Certainly the Putins of the world are of no help. However, it is simply a deplorable fact that the arms trade has seen a 30% growth since the crisis began in 2008.

It makes me wonder how long we can keep things reasonably under control, before a fatal catastrophe (either in the form of another global conflict, or an act of terrorism the devestating likes of which have never been seen)?

Nor are the McCains or Grahams, who want to put boots on the ground in Ukraine and also in Iraq/Syria(yikes). If your neighborhood is threatened, seems like the 'neighborhood' needs to step up. Not the guys across town, but the guys on the street. Europe and the middle eastern countries need to look at a map. The US cannot be the world policeman forever.

 

[rhubroma]

Nor are the McCains or Grahams, who want to put boots on the ground in Ukraine and also in Iraq/Syria(yikes). If your neighborhood is threatened, seems like the 'neighborhood' needs to step up. Not the guys across town, but the guys on the street. Europe and the middle eastern countries need to look at a map. The US cannot be the world policeman forever.

Oh, but the US has relished in the role and has been quite content to have a European platform for its hegmonic global interests. Everything has its price, but you can't have it both ways.

Once Europe "steps up," then it also will have much more to bargain with, which does not necessarily play into US interests favorably (nor Israel's for that matter).

I'd be quite happy to see Europe as more of a policy maker, but the US will never let that happen as long as remains the world's exclusive superpower.

 

[blutto]

What a mess. Another proxy war is coming, I suspect.

...a mess indeed....and methinks the proxy war is for all intents and purposes here...the question is how far will it go...thankfully the Ukrainian army is not really on board for helping the US turn The Ukraine into another Afghanistan/Iraq/Libya/Syria....and the neo-Nazi element has neither the numbers nor the support nor the courage to carry the fight to a point where the country will be destroyed...

Cheers

 

[blutto]

The Russians are much less sensitive to causing civilian casualties than the Ukrainians.
QUOTE]

....so let me get this straight, Willy Wonka's troops indiscriminately shell urbane areas and kill several thousand civilians but those are the actions of a sensitive military campaign...sure, whatever gets you thru the night...

...oh btw found this in the evidence you provided to show the evil of the rebels...this concerns specifically the alleged use of cluster bombs...

"We have not yet confirmed the date or location of this video. It's also worth noting that the timestamp in the corner is wrong. However it is not unusual for timestamps of amateur video to be wrong if the user has not set the clock."

...damning evidence indeed...your work here makes SoWrong looking like a forking genius....

Cheers

 

[ToreBear]

The Russians are much less sensitive to causing civilian casualties than the Ukrainians.
QUOTE]

....so let me get this straight, Willy Wonka's troops indiscriminately shell urbane areas and kill several thousand civilians but those are the actions of a sensitive military campaign...sure, whatever gets you thru the night...

...oh btw found this in the evidence you provided to show the evil of the rebels...this concerns specifically the alleged use of cluster bombs...

"We have not yet confirmed the date or location of this video. It's also worth noting that the timestamp in the corner is wrong. However it is not unusual for timestamps of amateur video to be wrong if the user has not set the clock."

...damning evidence indeed...your work here makes SoWrong looking like a forking genius....

Cheers

The thousands of dead civilians are something the Russian media have come up with. Most of the civilian casualties have come from the Russians. And also the Ukrainians are not the ones who routinely shell urban areas indiscriminately, It's Putlers boys doing that.

Here, have a link about the Mariupol Grad attack on January 24 among others:
http://www.hrw.org/news/2015/02/03/ukraine-rising-civilian-death-toll

30 killed civilians and over a 100 wounded. A little extract:

There were dead bodies lying by the market. I saw one dead body, then another. A third dead body belonged to a girl who used to work in the used clothes store. Her head had been crushed. A rocket fell right on the market, destroying it. Luckily, there were no students in the school when the rocket fell here. Otherwise, we would have had dozens of dead children here.

First there was a rumbling sound and then there were a series of explosions. It started maybe near the Kiev market, maybe beyond. And then the explosions came closer and closer. But it went very fast. I didn?t even have time to run 10 meters to seek shelter.

Well, maybe there was a cluster rocket attack somewhere around there on 12/1/2013? A dash cam with the wrong date set is not that uncommon.

Anyway, the second link is the interesting one where you can actually see the bomblets exploding in the streets. Not to mention a link to the OSCE report on the incident.

 

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The battle for the silk road is heating up. ISIS boiling in the southern gateway and now the northern is about to blow big time it seems.

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2015/02/yet-another-monumental-failure-for-junta.html

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukr...ale-war-says-former-envoy-to-canada-1.2964887

 

[blutto]

...file under what could possibly go wrong...

"Ukraine's deputy foreign minister says he is preparing for "full-scale war" against Russia and wants Canada to help by supplying lethal weapons and the training to use them.

Vadym Prystaiko, who until last fall was Ukraine's ambassador to Canada, says the world must not be afraid of joining Ukraine in the fight against a nuclear power."

...from... https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ukraine-preparing-full-scale-war-120000410.html

Cheers

 

[blutto]

A dash cam with the wrong date set is not that uncommon.

...yeah and it is also not uncommon for the Kiev junta to provide video evidence that is way wrong on simple things like the locale of an incident and even the year in which the video was shot ( like the recent use of footage taken during the Georgian incident and presented as "evidence" relating directly to the conflict in The Ukraine to a visiting US delegation )...

...and from the article you presented...

"On January 26, President Petro Poroshenko said that the Ukrainian authorities will submit information about the Mariupol attack and other incidents to the International Criminal Court (ICC). Ukraine should remove the time constraints in its April 2014 declaration accepting the ICC’s jurisdiction, Human Rights Watch said, and join the court’s treaty, the Rome Statute. That would open up the possibility of subjecting a wider range of incidents to ICC scrutiny.

“The prosecutor of the International Criminal Court should not be asked to consider investigating just those incidents cherry-picked by the government,” Solvang said. “If the Ukrainian government is serious about international justice, it should seek the court’s jurisdiction over all conduct during this conflict, whether by its opponents or its own forces."

...note the use of if in the following " If the Ukrainian government is serious about international justice" part...appears the ICC is not quite as na?ve about realities on the ground as you are...

Cheers

 

[python]

.... ( like the recent use of footage taken during the Georgian incident and presented as "evidence" relating directly to the conflict in The Ukraine to a visiting US delegation )...

the ukrainian falsehood was a fact that even the WESTERN media reported. it made the subject us senator very angre. i can swear i read it in a western source.

the only difference with your writing is that it was the ukrainian delegation visiting the american senator. they quite deliberately delivered a fake in the us to the us senator who is an anti putin hawk.

small difference ? imo, not really.

the putsch govt drive to lie, to spin, to falsify is so blatant that it it does not count on the elementary web users checking their senators messages for validity.

yes, these were the regular web user in the us who surfaced the ukrainian fake.

 

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So I just spent the day cleaning up my cousins shop for his Daytona 500 party, the biggest party in the universe for him - lol. One of the guys there was a former Canadian Airborne (disbanded) special ops. turned JTF2, retired last year. Really nice guy, total redneck. His contribution to the party was a 52' HD TV, a tire from some race car or other and a confederate flag. hahaha, He really is a nice, unassuming guy, I'm meeting him when he's letting his hair down, bwahaha. His old man was getting more talkative as the Bud. was going down down, proud redneck papa and all that. I started talking to him about ISIS (the JTF2 guy), the drool started to form but like so many strong silent types he didn't have much to say other than "we're going to kill those ****ers". I said I doubt we will, like any swarm of bees we might kill a few before we're overwhelmed. He begrudgingly acknowledged what I was saying.

It could be an interesting day tomorrow. He'll be 100 % into the race and I'll be interested in hearing more stories from him.

I don't have to worry about any of these guys reading this as it goes without saying that men that ride bicycles, shave their legs, and wear lycra are fags. haha