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The deal to me just seems to be delaying the inevitable. I don't see how this deal will help to reduce Greek debt, or grow the economy.
 
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thrawn said:
The deal to me just seems to be delaying the inevitable. I don't see how this deal will help to reduce Greek debt, or grow the economy.

It will do neither. This deal means endless decades of being wholly subservient to the whims and demands of 'the EU' which, as recent days have shown, means 'Germany'. A tragic deal for the Greeks, forced on them at metaphorical gun point.
 
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Amsterhammer said:
thrawn said:
The deal to me just seems to be delaying the inevitable. I don't see how this deal will help to reduce Greek debt, or grow the economy.

It will do neither. This deal means endless decades of being wholly subservient to the whims and demands of 'the EU' which, as recent days have shown, means 'Germany'. A tragic deal for the Greeks, forced on them at metaphorical gun point.
and Kin jun ERRROL looks out the window of an airplane.
 
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....a couple of things..
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"The Nobel prize-winning economist Paul Krugman has said the EU's demands of Greece are madness and accused Germany of killing the European project.

In a blog published in the New York Times before eurozone leaders announced they had reached a compromise agreement on Monday morning, Krugman suggested German demands over Greece were vindictive, adding: "Who will ever trust Germany’s good intentions after this?"

....from.. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/greek-debt-crisis-who-will-trust-germany-after-this-asks-paul-krugman-10384402.html

....and...
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"Pre-publication summary: Five months of intense negotiations between Greece and the Eurogroup never had a chance of success. Condemned to lead to impasse, their purpose was to pave the ground for what Dr Schäuble had decided was ‘optimal’ well before our government was even elected: That Greece should be eased out of the Eurozone in order to discipline member-states resisting his very specific plan for re-structuring the Eurozone.
•This is no theory.
•How do I know Grexit is an important part of Dr Schäuble’s plan for Europe?
•Because he told me so!

I wrote this article not as a Greek politician critical of the German press’ denigration of our sensible proposals, of Berlin’s refusal seriously to consider our moderate debt re-profiling plan, of the European Central Bank’s highly political decision to asphyxiate our government, of the Eurogroup’s decision to give the ECB the green light to shut down our banks.

I wrote this article as a European observing the unfolding of a particular Plan for Europe – Dr Schäuble’s Plan.

- See more at: http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/07/12/yanis-varoufakis-schauble-told-me-he-wants-grexit/#sthash.qCNVw7LS.dpuf

Cheers
 
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...given how the Greek crisis script has been written this is pretty ironatisical....
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"A German company was found to be the biggest tax evader in Greece. A court in Athens found that Hochtief, the German company that was running the “Eleftherios Venizelos” Athens International airport was not paying VAT for 20 years. It is estimated that Hochtief, will have to pay more than 500 million Euros for VAT arrears. Together with other outstanding payments, like those to social security funds, it might have to py more than 1 billion Euros.

It must be noted that under the “Troika” austerity programme Greek employees lost around 400 million Euros from cuts to their salaries.

Hochtief, which is the biggest German Construction company, specializing in airports, was also running the Athens International airport through a subsidiary until 2013, when it sold it’s share to a Canadian company."

Cheers
 
Jul 4, 2009
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....looks like the Greecification of The Ukraine has begun in earnest...
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"Ukraine’s Prime Minister is calling on Canadian investors to take part in a massive privatization of state assets organized by Kiev as a way of weakening the power of wealthy oligarchs blamed for spreading corruption in his country"

....from... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canadian-investment-will-reduce-corruption-in-ukraine-pm-says/article25505038/
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...which is kinda ironical since it was oligarchs that were leading the glorious revolution and an oligarch is in charge...though I suppose he is one of the good oligarchs....would love to see the official oligarch litmus test protocol ...

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"WASHINGTON—Following Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s heated objections to the nuclear deal struck between the United States and Iran, American officials announced Tuesday that they were calming the upset head of government by treating him to a nice, big shipment of ballistic missiles. “Bibi always gets a little cranky when he sees us talking to Iran, but a few dozen short-range surface-to-surface missiles usually cheer him right up,” said State Department spokesperson Daniel Goldman, adding that the shipment of MGM-140 ATACMS missiles should be enough to settle the sullen Israeli leader down at least for the deal’s crucial early implementation stages. “Of course, we try not to spoil him by giving him a whole new tactical ballistics delivery system every single time he throws a fit, but our guy’s pretty good at getting his way. At least we’ll have a couple months of peace and quiet around here.” Goldman went on to say that the U.S. was saving its shipment of missile defense system components in case Netanyahu got worked up during Israel-Palestine peace negotiations later this year."

Cheers
 
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python said:
^^...speaking of THE israeli missiles, have you folks known that the latest shot-down version points to exactly them as the fatal projectile. i am serious

http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2015/07/israeli-missile-downed-mh17.html

the upsetting part for me personally was that they chose my peaceful handle to name the horrible device :eek:

....find below an article that examines this story in greater detail...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/07/russia-today/did-an-israeli-python-missile-destroy-mh-17/

....oddly enough a Russia Today article presented on a prominent American libertarian site....go figure...

Cheers
 
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blutto said:
python said:
^^...speaking of THE israeli missiles, have you folks known that the latest shot-down version points to exactly them as the fatal projectile. i am serious

http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2015/07/israeli-missile-downed-mh17.html

the upsetting part for me personally was that they chose my peaceful handle to name the horrible device :eek:

....find below an article that examines this story in greater detail...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/07/russia-today/did-an-israeli-python-missile-destroy-mh-17/

....oddly enough a Russia Today article presented on a prominent American libertarian site....go figure...

Cheers
...so, the israeli air-to-air pyton was selected b/c of the shape and size of the striking elements and its infrared homing in addition to the radar homing.

the question, though, remains: how would such a missile become available to the ukrainian air force which was considered armed entirely by the soviet leftover hardware ?

apart from a general statement of some su-25s being refurbished, the article gives no answer. however, another source i saw someplace said that it might have been an israeli upgrade with georgia that would have been passed over to the ukrainians by the saakashvili govt
 
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blutto said:
"WASHINGTON—Following Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s heated objections to the nuclear deal struck between the United States and Iran, American officials announced Tuesday that they were calming the upset head of government by treating him to a nice, big shipment of ballistic missiles. “Bibi always gets a little cranky when he sees us talking to Iran, but a few dozen short-range surface-to-surface missiles usually cheer him right up,” said State Department spokesperson Daniel Goldman, adding that the shipment of MGM-140 ATACMS missiles should be enough to settle the sullen Israeli leader down at least for the deal’s crucial early implementation stages. “Of course, we try not to spoil him by giving him a whole new tactical ballistics delivery system every single time he throws a fit, but our guy’s pretty good at getting his way. At least we’ll have a couple months of peace and quiet around here.” Goldman went on to say that the U.S. was saving its shipment of missile defense system components in case Netanyahu got worked up during Israel-Palestine peace negotiations later this year."

Cheers

you see, that works great on a meta cognitive dissonance dialectic level.

cos, u read as satire. hilarious
u read as gospel, or torah, its anti-dawkins truth.
 
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python said:
blutto said:
python said:
^^...speaking of THE israeli missiles, have you folks known that the latest shot-down version points to exactly them as the fatal projectile. i am serious

http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2015/07/israeli-missile-downed-mh17.html

the upsetting part for me personally was that they chose my peaceful handle to name the horrible device :eek:

....find below an article that examines this story in greater detail...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/07/russia-today/did-an-israeli-python-missile-destroy-mh-17/

....oddly enough a Russia Today article presented on a prominent American libertarian site....go figure...

Cheers
...so, the israeli air-to-air pyton was selected b/c of the shape and size of the striking elements and its infrared homing in addition to the radar homing.

the question, though, remains: how would such a missile become available to the ukrainian air force which was considered armed entirely by the soviet leftover hardware ?

apart from a general statement of some su-25s being refurbished, the article gives no answer. however, another source i saw someplace said that it might have been an israeli upgrade with georgia that would have been passed over to the ukrainians by the saakashvili govt

Ihor Valeriyovych Kolomoyskyi ?

Cheers
 
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Before the Greek debacle fades from view - at least until the next payments are due and the Geeks can't pay them, or we hear more stories of people living in abject poverty that leads to violence - I would like to hear some comments from those with a better understanding of this regarding my speculation about a possible future I posted before:

Alpe d'Huez said:
A wild guess is that in a few years, or sooner, when this latest round fails and the backs of the Greeks are even more broken, you'll see a rise in power of the communists there. Once considered extreme and fringe, with no input. It wouldn't shock me if they end up in power.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Before the Greek debacle fades from view - at least until the next payments are due and the Geeks can't pay them, or we hear more stories of people living in abject poverty that leads to violence - I would like to hear some comments from those with a better understanding of this regarding my speculation about a possible future I posted before:

Alpe d'Huez said:
A wild guess is that in a few years, or sooner, when this latest round fails and the backs of the Greeks are even more broken, you'll see a rise in power of the communists there. Once considered extreme and fringe, with no input. It wouldn't shock me if they end up in power.

You will see a rise in fascism, as nationalist tendencies already at work in anti-EU strategies, create a sense that the only salvation comes with a postmodern embracing of the myth of national supremacy, as Varoufakis has already noted:

"A Greek or a Portuguese or an Italian exit from the eurozone would soon lead to a fragmentation of European capitalism, yielding a seriously recessionary surplus region east of the Rhine and north of the Alps, while the rest of Europe would be in the grip of vicious stagflation. Who do you think would benefit from this development? A progressive left, that will rise Phoenix-like from the ashes of Europe’s public institutions? Or the Golden Dawn Nazis, the assorted neofascists, the xenophobes and the spivs? I have absolutely no doubt as to which of the two will do best from a disintegration of the eurozone. I, for one, am not prepared to blow fresh wind into the sails of this postmodern version of the 1930s. If this means that it is we, the suitably erratic Marxists, who must try to save European capitalism from itself, so be it. Not out of love for European capitalism, for the eurozone, for Brussels, or for the European Central Bank, but just because we want to minimise the unnecessary human toll from this crisis."

The communists have been reformed and passe at least since 91.
 
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@alpe
i am nor currently in a position (nor do i have the time) to fill my response to your question with links...but as far as i can recall, right after the referendum there was a joint statement of those greek parties that have a representation in the greek parliament. again, i could be missing some minor details, but of the 7 (seven) factions represented in the parliament only the communists and the extreme right (the golden dawn party) refused to sign up.

meaning, the bulk of the greeks, though their center of gravity is CURRENTLY decidedly leaning left, ain't of the communist mindset.

where will the failure of the present 'rescue package' (of which i am positive) lead politically speaking ? none know.
my opinion, --given the greek own swings in the 20th century, it can be extreme right as well as it can be extreme left or it could be an indefinite kicking the can down the road. one thing to keep in mind, and imo it is very important, there is currently no ideological entity in europe (like the former SU) existentially interested in promoting communism. in fact, there is another equally utopian but somewhat opposite ideology currently trying to dominate europe, the german-styled liberal capitalist model that supposed to work equally well for most europeans...

what is important to understand in the greek context is this - even if the communists will gain power at some point it would be a fast passing phenomena given greece's own political spread and its nato 'friends' scare of the communists.
 
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blutto said:
python said:
blutto said:
python said:
^^...speaking of THE israeli missiles, have you folks known that the latest shot-down version points to exactly them as the fatal projectile. i am serious

http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2015/07/israeli-missile-downed-mh17.html

the upsetting part for me personally was that they chose my peaceful handle to name the horrible device :eek:

....find below an article that examines this story in greater detail...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/07/russia-today/did-an-israeli-python-missile-destroy-mh-17/

....oddly enough a Russia Today article presented on a prominent American libertarian site....go figure...

Cheers
...so, the israeli air-to-air pyton was selected b/c of the shape and size of the striking elements and its infrared homing in addition to the radar homing.

the question, though, remains: how would such a missile become available to the ukrainian air force which was considered armed entirely by the soviet leftover hardware ?

apart from a general statement of some su-25s being refurbished, the article gives no answer. however, another source i saw someplace said that it might have been an israeli upgrade with georgia that would have been passed over to the ukrainians by the saakashvili govt

Ihor Valeriyovych Kolomoyskyi ?

Cheers
it's a very good question, blutto, but ultimately even if ihor-the-the-oligarrh and, by definition, an inspiration and a sponsor of the 'revolution', he'd be a mere tool in the hands of someone bigger had he been involved in the military technology mediation...

to be sure, ihor as an owner of israeli passport and an ultimate scumbag jewish 'entrepreneur' would be a perfect conduit. the limitation, however, was - he'd have to handle an israeli permission (if the things were legal) or (if illegal), he'd have to risk being criminally chased by those who would dislike the transfer. i am convinced that israel would never give a legal permission to transfer its georgian upgrades to ukraine given its complicated stance with russia vis-a vis russian weapons for iran...thus, it is in my mind 90% certain that mr. kolomoysky broke many laws knowingly (but being a smart jew) he made sure his sponsors covered his back...

the most curious thing to figure now is if ihor, now chased out of the ukraine's power pie, will have kept the protection of his illegal dealing then, when he was useful (but currently a liability) to his sponsor

i can't wait to see him face the same nasty approach he practiced. his ultimate downfall is only dependent on the us spooks opinion of his remaining usefulness against vlad...at least, that is my read.
 
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python's does Ihor's religion/race have anything to do with it tho? dont think so.

And if the Israeli's are involved, they would merely be the cypher doing bidding for DC and Uncle Sam.

Israel, like you intuit, have no beef there, and no real interest, are they an associate member of the failing EU experiment? anyway, I don't see why they will be in Georgia and Ukraine and working proxy for NATO, they dont need to poke the bear (Putin/Russia), as you said.
 
queen of the people

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early 1930's and the queen mother and our young 'queen' practice their

salutes to welcome their cousins on their forthcoming world tour

.............classy!

Mark L
 
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blackcat said:
python's does Ihor's religion/race have anything to do with it tho? dont think so.

And if the Israeli's are involved, they would merely be the cypher doing bidding for DC and Uncle Sam.

Israel, like you intuit, have no beef there, and no real interest, are they an associate member of the failing EU experiment? anyway, I don't see why they will be in Georgia and Ukraine and working proxy for NATO, they dont need to poke the bear (Putin/Russia), as you said.

....it does only because it "gives" him, thru his support of the Israel project, potential access to all things Israeli....do note that Israel has had a long history of supplying despicable outlier regimes who even the US couldn't for prestige reasons touch with a barge pole with such things as weapons, security technology and torture expertise ( and yeah they routinely carry the US' dirty water )....

....so its not like the Israeli's wouldn't do it, they've done much worse, and the insider status just helps Ihor get to the head of the line...

....and as for not poking the bear?....sorry but that horse has long left the stable ( see the Israeli role in Georgia just prior to the Ossetia dustup )....

Cheers
 
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....more on that MH17 crash site video...with some translation of the audio...

"Later on, the man is quoted as saying that “there’s two planes taken down,” while a voice in the background says, “the fighter jet brought down this one [MH17 Boeing], and our people brought down the fighter. They [the Ukrainians] decided to do it this way, to make it look like we have brought down the plane.”

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/07/russia-today/was-there-a-2nd-aircraft-in-the-mh-17-disaster/

Cheers
 
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blutto said:
....more on that MH17 crash site video...with some translation of the audio...

"Later on, the man is quoted as saying that “there’s two planes taken down,” while a voice in the background says, “the fighter jet brought down this one [MH17 Boeing], and our people brought down the fighter. They [the Ukrainians] decided to do it this way, to make it look like we have brought down the plane.”

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/07/russia-today/was-there-a-2nd-aircraft-in-the-mh-17-disaster/

Cheers

Kind of odd that there has never been any trace of a second plane, let alone a downed Ukrainian air force plane, which the rebels would gladly have trumpeted to the world. I consider this standard Russian deflection, anything to suggest that neither they nor their proxies were involved. Everyone knows that the Kiev regime is unsavory, but the idea that they would have one of their planes shoot down a civilian airliner for God knows what purpose is really too preposterous, and just one more reason why nothing the Russians or rebels say can be taken at face value. Everybody knows the plane was brought down by a surface to air missile, and since the rebels had no air force it further strains credulity to think that the Ukrainian military would launch a surface to air missile, while the rebels had previously already shot down Ukrainian planes. Draw the simple and only logical conclusion.

I remember going slightly off the rails after this happened, and describing the rebels in unsavory terms, for which I took plenty of flak. This film tends to at least confirm the scuminess of those who were in the area at the time. Personally, I don't give a flying f**k who did it, I simply want those who were responsible to face some kind of justice.
 
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The neoliberal pathology has been the same in both European and American countries: governments cannibalize their political spaces, advance privatized markets in all aspects of society (see the Affordable Care Act), and export their manufacturing base to the developing world. The consumer is not, as in a previous era of liberalism, a purported equal trader on a market — leaving aside the problematic basis for thinking this ever came about — but a “capital” among others, an entrepreneur most often providing free labor that creates value for others. If the laborer in the factory was the paradigm of alienation in a previous era, today in the West s/he is the freelancer: signing up for one project at a time, often free of charge in order to gain experience or “clips” and without the social safety net of a pension or guaranteed healthcare coverage. We are each a company of one, committed to doing what used to take whole enterprises: we provide our own customer service, do our own investments and taxes, act as our own travel agencies, and, for those lucky enough to have 401(k)s and healthcare, pick and choose among competing options that we once left to the experts. “There’s an app for that!” also means “you’re on your own.”

http://lareviewofbooks.org/review/company-of-one-the-fate-of-democracy-in-an-age-of-neoliberalism
 
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