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In many ways, Portugal is the canary in the coal mine for those who continue to pursue an Austerity program.

How many more Tsiprases do you need before you realize that these parties are rubbish.

You supported the European Union against Ambrose Evans Pritchard who argued for EU exit. It means that you support austerity measures. Assume it!

Rubbish and, in Portugal's case, opportunistic power grabbers. Absolute filth who's only concerned with reaching the top of the roost.

I really don't understand at whom, and about what, you are reacting here. I should point out for clarity that the sentence quoted above under my name is a sentence that echoes edited from a longer piece of text that I had quoted - iow, those are not 'my' words. Further, as I understand it, a progressive, anti-austerity coalition of the left has a parliamentary majority, and either will form, or already has formed, a new government. Kind of sad calling them "opportunistic power grabbers" and "Absolute filth". If the left coalition has a majority, then the previous government self-evidently does not. What's "opportunistic" about accepting what the system enables?
 
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To this day the role of the United States of America in the Rwanda massacre is unacknowledged and largely unknown here in surrender-monkey land.

The USA supported Kagame's RPF (Tutsi) who started to invade Rwanda from Uganda in 1990. Kagame most probably ordered the assassination of President Habyarimana in 1994, knowing full well what the consequences would have been. The Hutus had more (or at least as many) victims during the 1994 massacres than the Tutsis had (even the third ethnic, the Twas, had victims) and the RPF have killed Hutus just like the Interahamwe's. But the objective for the US, Canada, Uganda, South Africa (yes Mandela's SF) or the UK was elsewhere. Rwanda was just a springboard for the invasion of neighbouring Congo and pillaging the mineral resources in Eastern Congo. Following the two Congo Wars in 1996/7 and 1998/~2006, some giant Anglophone corporations got concessions in Eastern Congo (American Mineral Field, Barrick Gold, De Beers, ...). These also directly sponsored the Rwandan/Ugandan war in the Congo.

The coltan that made up our cell phones, TV screens, etc directly comes from this exploitation of Congolese resources.

The Congo War killed 6+ million people in the Congo, including many Hutu refugees, in camps. Plus millions of raped women. The Tutsi vengeance was ruthless.

The French "Operation Turquoise" in 1994 DID end the massacre, provisionally at least. If there's one thing President Mitterrand can be praised for, it's that. That's why he later said that "France was at war with America", "A war apparently without dead and yet a war to death." They ended the massacres of both Tutsis and Hutus and did stop the FPR effort to kill refugees in the Congo. It's only when the French left that the massacre could start. Pierre Péan showed it very well.

Israel's role in the Rwandan disaster should also be remembered. For Israel, it was vital to have a strong Uganda against the Sudan. That's why they funded Museveni's movement in 1987, also supported by the Ugandan Tutsi, including Kagame. That's why Israel and the Jewish lobby was instrumental in distorting the truth about the Rwandan & Congolese tragedies ...

what is your opinion wrt Kony and Uganda? this seemed pretty artificial and confected.
 
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Echoes said:
To this day the role of the United States of America in the Rwanda massacre is unacknowledged and largely unknown here in surrender-monkey land.

The USA supported Kagame's RPF (Tutsi) who started to invade Rwanda from Uganda in 1990. Kagame most probably ordered the assassination of President Habyarimana in 1994, knowing full well what the consequences would have been. The Hutus had more (or at least as many) victims during the 1994 massacres than the Tutsis had (even the third ethnic, the Twas, had victims) and the RPF have killed Hutus just like the Interahamwe's. But the objective for the US, Canada, Uganda, South Africa (yes Mandela's SF) or the UK was elsewhere. Rwanda was just a springboard for the invasion of neighbouring Congo and pillaging the mineral resources in Eastern Congo. Following the two Congo Wars in 1996/7 and 1998/~2006, some giant Anglophone corporations got concessions in Eastern Congo (American Mineral Field, Barrick Gold, De Beers, ...). These also directly sponsored the Rwandan/Ugandan war in the Congo.

The coltan that made up our cell phones, TV screens, etc directly comes from this exploitation of Congolese resources.

The Congo War killed 6+ million people in the Congo, including many Hutu refugees, in camps. Plus millions of raped women. The Tutsi vengeance was ruthless.

The French "Operation Turquoise" in 1994 DID end the massacre, provisionally at least. If there's one thing President Mitterrand can be praised for, it's that. That's why he later said that "France was at war with America", "A war apparently without dead and yet a war to death." They ended the massacres of both Tutsis and Hutus and did stop the FPR effort to kill refugees in the Congo. It's only when the French left that the massacre could start. Pierre Péan showed it very well.

Israel's role in the Rwandan disaster should also be remembered. For Israel, it was vital to have a strong Uganda against the Sudan. That's why they funded Museveni's movement in 1987, also supported by the Ugandan Tutsi, including Kagame. That's why Israel and the Jewish lobby was instrumental in distorting the truth about the Rwandan & Congolese tragedies ...
Are you making quotes up? I was going to tell FrenchFry there was no need to say "surrender monkey" with respect to his own country. But then you come lobbing in these bolded fake quotes.

....but...but....he is doing that only as homage to The Simpsons which as we all know he has had a long and abiding love and affection for ( it was after all voted the greatest Merican cultural icon of the 20th century so that is most understandable ( Time magazine named it the 20th century's best television series )....so homage to Merika, the creator of great culture as well... )...

...and cheese eating surrender monkeys " is "perhaps the most famous" of the coinages from The Simpsons and it "has gone on to become a journalistic cliché.".....

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....from Dr Wiki...

"Cheese-eating surrender monkeys", sometimes shortened to "surrender monkeys", is a pejorative term for the French people. The term was coined in 1995 by Ken Keeler, a writer for the television series The Simpsons. The term has entered two Oxford quotation dictionaries. In February 2003, during the early phases of the Iraq War, the term was used by National Review journalist Jonah Goldberg. In April 1999, he previously used the term.

The term "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" first appeared in "'Round Springfield," an April 1995 episode of the American animated television show The Simpsons.[1] In the episode, budget cuts at Springfield Elementary School force the Scottish janitor, Groundskeeper Willie, to teach French. Expressing his disdain for the French people, he says to his French class in his Scottish accent: "Bonjoooouuurrr, ya cheese-eatin' surrender monkeys!"[2][3][4] On the audio commentary for the episode, executive producer Al Jean said the line was "probably" written by The Simpsons staff writer Ken Keeler.[5]

In February 2012, Keeler confirmed this in an interview, and stated that he considers it to be his best contribution to the show.[6] Jean commented that the staff did not expect the term to become widely used and never intended it as any kind of genuine political statement.[5] When "'Round Springfield" was dubbed in French, the line became "Rendez-vous, singes mangeurs de fromage" ("Surrender, you cheese-eating monkeys").[7]

Use of the term has grown outside of the United States, particularly in the United Kingdom, where The Simpsons is popular.

The term was used by Jonah Goldberg, a conservative American National Review journalist in April 1999, as the title of a column called "Top Ten Reasons to Hate the French".[8] In the run-up to and during the Iraq War, Goldberg reprised the phrase to criticize European nations and France in particular for not joining the United States in its invasion and occupation of Iraq.[1]

Ben Macintyre of Times of London wrote in August 2007, that the term is "perhaps the most famous" of the coinages from The Simpsons and it "has gone on to become a journalistic cliché."[7] The term was used by the New York Post (as "Surrender Monkeys") as the headline for its December 7, 2006, front page, referring to the Iraq Study Group and its recommendation that U.S. soldiers be withdrawn from Iraq by January 2008.[9] Articles in the Daily Mail (2005 & 2009) used the term to describe France's "attitude problem"[10] and the "muted" European reaction to the death of Osama bin Laden;[11] The Daily Telegraph (November 2010) cited it in relation to Anglo-French military cooperation.[12]

In August 2013, The Independent suggested an evolution away from the term, in a headline about French-American relations over the Syrian Civil War.[13]

The term was used on an episode of Top Gear, on 4 June 2006, when former host Jeremy Clarkson used the term to describe the manufacturers of the Citroën C6. The term was previously used on Top Gear in June 2003, when Jeremy Clarkson used it to describe the handling of the Renault Clio V6.

In December 2005, the phrase was used by Nigel Farage, who said of the then–French President, Jacques Chirac, "No cheese-eating surrender monkey, he", in his unflattering comparison to then–Prime Minister Tony Blair, during a European Parliament session. The term was selected by Ned Sherrin, for inclusion in the Oxford Dictionary of Humorous Quotations, being introduced in the third edition in 2005.[14] It is also included in the Oxford Dictionary of Modern Quotations.[15]

The term was used in Australian Parliament, on 6 March 2014, when Opposition Leader Bill Shorten described the Government of Australia as "the cheese-eating surrender monkeys of Australian jobs".[16] Upon being asked to withdraw the comment, Shorten claimed the line was borrowed from an American politician, whom he could not name.[17]

The term "surrender monkeys" was again used in Australian politics, on 28 July 2014, by Immigration Minister Scott Morrison, describing the Labor and Greens position on asylum seekers.[18]"

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....not unlike my use of Soviet Canuckistan which is homage to Pat Buchanan one of the great minds of the Merican intellectual milleau ( and by extension Merika )....see official like definition below....

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"Soviet Canuckistan

1. A hilarious attempt by Pat Buchanan to make Canada feel shameful about not wanting to participate in a pathetic, unnecessary, wankerific war.

2. A cute nickname for a country that is actually smart enough to stand up to the United States, although the latter of the two countries is fully under the impression that the former is its ***.

Two days ago, when Canada asked the United States not to target Canadian citizens just because they were born in certain countries, Mr. Buchanan griped to Mr. Press that Americans didn't need a lecture "from Soviet Canuckistan."
--The Globe

by Nemuko May 11, 2003

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blutto said:
....not unlike my use of Soviet Canuckistan which is homage to Pat Buchanan one of the great minds of the Merican intellectual milleau ( and by extension Merika )....see official like definition below....

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"Soviet Canuckistan

1. A hilarious attempt by Pat Buchanan to make Canada feel shameful about not wanting to participate in a pathetic, unnecessary, wankerific war.

2. A cute nickname for a country that is actually smart enough to stand up to the United States, although the latter of the two countries is fully under the impression that the former is its ***.

Two days ago, when Canada asked the United States not to target Canadian citizens just because they were born in certain countries, Mr. Buchanan griped to Mr. Press that Americans didn't need a lecture "from Soviet Canuckistan."
--The Globe

by Nemuko May 11, 2003

Cheers

Ted Cruz is actually Canadian, not a US citizen and cannot legally run for President..I read it on the interweb..
 
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Bustedknuckle said:
blutto said:
....not unlike my use of Soviet Canuckistan which is homage to Pat Buchanan one of the great minds of the Merican intellectual milleau ( and by extension Merika )....see official like definition below....

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"Soviet Canuckistan

1. A hilarious attempt by Pat Buchanan to make Canada feel shameful about not wanting to participate in a pathetic, unnecessary, wankerific war.

2. A cute nickname for a country that is actually smart enough to stand up to the United States, although the latter of the two countries is fully under the impression that the former is its ***.

Two days ago, when Canada asked the United States not to target Canadian citizens just because they were born in certain countries, Mr. Buchanan griped to Mr. Press that Americans didn't need a lecture "from Soviet Canuckistan."
--The Globe

by Nemuko May 11, 2003

Cheers

Ted Cruz is actually Canadian, not a US citizen and cannot legally run for President..I read it on the interweb..

....do note that for a great many Canuckistanians, that Calgary which is located in Alberta, was until very recently, part of Canada only by the slimmest of technicalities....think of it as Texas minus the barbecue and that famous Texan humility and sense of proportion....it is also the spiritual home of our former PM Stephen Harper aka The Wicked Witch of the West....

....but recently things got real weird out there, Calgary elected Naheed Kurban Nenshi, the first Muslim mayor of a large North American city and who btw is gay....he has become hugely successful/popular....and then the weirdness done went thermonuclear and the province recently voted in the NDP which is a socialist leaning party...

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I really don't understand at whom, and about what, you are reacting here. I should point out for clarity that the sentence quoted above under my name is a sentence that echoes edited from a longer piece of text that I had quoted - iow, those are not 'my' words. Further, as I understand it, a progressive, anti-austerity coalition of the left has a parliamentary majority, and either will form, or already has formed, a new government. Kind of sad calling them "opportunistic power grabbers" and "Absolute filth". If the left coalition has a majority, then the previous government self-evidently does not. What's "opportunistic" about accepting what the system enables?

Stop whining, please. BigMac is not the kind of posters to insult another poster. The quote under your name is a quote that you quoted. My post made it clear it was since the box was under your name while if I had quoted you, your name would have been inside the box. If I'm snipping posts, it's for a matter of readability and in particular since multiquotes are allowed, the forum became a real mess but I'm probably the only one to care...

BigMac is probably more knowledgeable about the matter than both of us. Weren't you the poster who denied him the right to talk about the South of the US because he is not American? So now that he's talking about his own country you still can't accept his opinion. :rolleyes:

It's easy to claim you are against austerity. Everybody can do it. Less easy to say how you'd do it. Those parties never said it, if only because there's no legal way in the current European context(as I explained). So the label "opportunistic" can apply here. Democratically elected governments have lost the reality of power, the Commission have the power. We should understand that. The Tsipras case should make you all understand that ...

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what is your opinion wrt Kony and Uganda? this seemed pretty artificial and confected.

I honestly did not know about Kony, so I can't pretend I know it all. However it seems that he's wanted by the ICC for war crimes while Museveni can be accused of the same charges (whether in Uganda during the 1987 coup or in Rwanda and in the Congo in the nineties), so as usual the "West" is showing double standard here.
 
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....but...but....he is doing that only as homage to The Simpsons which as we all know he has had a long and abiding love and affection for ( it was after all voted the greatest Merican cultural icon of the 20th century so that is most understandable ( Time magazine named it the 20th century's best television series )....so homage to Merika, the creator of great culture as well... )...

...and cheese eating surrender monkeys " is "perhaps the most famous" of the coinages from The Simpsons and it "has gone on to become a journalistic cliché.".....
Never watch the Simpsons, plus here it is dubbed so doubly irritating.

I do conversational English with a group of ladies, and just last week I used a John Cleese text titled "ALERTS TO THREATS IN 2015 EUROPE" that included this gem:

The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France 's white flag factory, effectively paralysing the country's military capability.

They were not amused.
 
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....but...but....he is doing that only as homage to The Simpsons which as we all know he has had a long and abiding love and affection for ( it was after all voted the greatest Merican cultural icon of the 20th century so that is most understandable ( Time magazine named it the 20th century's best television series )....so homage to Merika, the creator of great culture as well... )...

...and cheese eating surrender monkeys " is "perhaps the most famous" of the coinages from The Simpsons and it "has gone on to become a journalistic cliché.".....
Never watch the Simpsons, plus here it is dubbed so doubly irritating.

I do conversational English with a group of ladies, and just last week I used a John Cleese text titled "ALERTS TO THREATS IN 2015 EUROPE" that included this gem:

The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France 's white flag factory, effectively paralysing the country's military capability.

They were not amused.

....never watch The Simpsons !?, your life is so empty :D ...

....as for that Cleese thang, that was a least two keyboards into the funny....and you presented this to a room full of real like French folks, jeez you got gros cojones....and you lived to talk about it!....how close was the escape ? ( out the side door amid a fuselage of handbags :eek: )....

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blutto said:
frenchfry said:
....but...but....he is doing that only as homage to The Simpsons which as we all know he has had a long and abiding love and affection for ( it was after all voted the greatest Merican cultural icon of the 20th century so that is most understandable ( Time magazine named it the 20th century's best television series )....so homage to Merika, the creator of great culture as well... )...

...and cheese eating surrender monkeys " is "perhaps the most famous" of the coinages from The Simpsons and it "has gone on to become a journalistic cliché.".....
Never watch the Simpsons, plus here it is dubbed so doubly irritating.

I do conversational English with a group of ladies, and just last week I used a John Cleese text titled "ALERTS TO THREATS IN 2015 EUROPE" that included this gem:

The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France 's white flag factory, effectively paralysing the country's military capability.

They were not amused.

....never watch The Simpsons !?, your life is so empty :D ...

....as for that Cleese thang, that was a least two keyboards into the funny....and you presented this to a room full of real like French folks, jeez you got gros cojones....and you lived to talk about it!....how close was the escape ? ( out the side door amid a fuselage of handbags :eek: )....

Cheers
From the greatest show ever.
Basil Fawlty: Is there something wrong?
German Guest: Will you stop talking about the war?
Basil Fawlty: Me? You started it.
German Guest: We did not!
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Basil Fawlty: Listen, don't mention the war. I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right.

What ever you do don't mention Z-germans.
 
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I honestly did not know about Kony, so I can't pretend I know it all. However it seems that he's wanted by the ICC for war crimes while Museveni can be accused of the same charges (whether in Uganda during the 1987 coup or in Rwanda and in the Congo in the nineties), so as usual the "West" is showing double standard here.

Kony must be a purely American/Australian confected social media thing...
 
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OK, here is the whole thing. Remember, this humour and not intended to be taken seriously!

ALERTS TO THREATS IN 2015 EUROPE
From JOHN CLEESE

The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent events in Syria and have therefore raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved." Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." The English have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorised from "Tiresome" to "A Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.

The Scots have raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the Bastards." They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.

The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France 's white flag factory, effectively paralysing the country's military capability.

Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout Loudly and Excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective Combat Operations" and "Change Sides."

The Germans have increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs." They also have two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbour" and "Lose."

Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels ..

The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.

Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from "No worries" to "She'll be right, Mate." Two more escalation levels remain: "Crikey! I think we'll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!" and "The barbie is cancelled." So far no situation has ever warranted use of the last final escalation level.

Regards,
John Cleese ,
British writer, actor and tall person

And as a final thought - Greece is collapsing, the Iranians are getting aggressive, and Rome is in disarray. Welcome back to 430 BC.
Life is too short...
 
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It *is* funny on its own, but the "France surrenders" thing is so overplayed it taints the article in my opinion.

Since it's November 11th, it might be worth pointing out that the British spent the first 2-3 years of the Great War contributing hilariously little to the allied effort, and only really stepped up when France had been pretty much bled out.
 
The French could have taken Berlin if it weren't for their felonic politicians.

After Franchet d'Esperey liberated Beograd, the road to Berlin was wide open. But Clémenceau stopped Franchet and sent him to Russia instead to "fight" the Red Army (sponsored by the US). The boys did not know what they were there for and demoralised. Clémenceau is a big traitor to his fatherland. He accepted the Picot-Sykes agreement, the Blfour Declaration (actually Milner declaration) and surrendered to Wilson in Versaille (he even addressed to him in English :rolleyes:)

I think he's the guy who said "War is too serious to be left to the generals". A quote that Kubrick recuperated in Dr Strangelove (if I'm not mistaken). Why? Because the generals such as Franchet d'Esperey were still very much monarchist/legitimist while he was a fanatical republican secularists.
 
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Echoes said:
The French could have taken Berlin if it weren't for their felonic politicians.

After Franchet d'Esperey liberated Beograd, the road to Berlin was wide open. But Clémenceau stopped Franchet and sent him to Russia instead to "fight" the Red Army (sponsored by the US). The boys did not know what they were there for and demoralised. Clémenceau is a big traitor to his fatherland. He accepted the Picot-Sykes agreement, the Blfour Declaration (actually Milner declaration) and surrendered to Wilson in Versaille (he even addressed to him in English :rolleyes:)

I think he's the guy who said "War is too serious to be left to the generals". A quote that Kubrick recuperated in Dr Strangelove (if I'm not mistaken). Why? Because the generals such as Franchet d'Esperey were still very much monarchist/legitimist while he was a fanatical republican secularists.

Surrendered to Wilson?! Are you sure? The Treaty was ridiculously harsh, and in part caused the uprising of Hitler and the Nazis, and almost 100% contributed to the winning election of 1933, as the German people blamed the ToV for most their problems and so did the Nazis. Some of Clemenceau's aims were inconceivable, such as splitting Germany into many states. UK would've had their trade ruined. Not gonna happen.

What's wrong with addressing Wilson in English? This is called politeness. Now Wilsom would consider Clemenceau polite and be more friendly towards him and someone whom he could concede most of his demands, which he did. This is called getting them on your side. Thank God you're not a diplomat.

And yes, being a monarchist is much better than being a republican, i.e not giving power to a single family line until the rest of forever. :rolleyes:
 
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It *is* funny on its own, but the "France surrenders" thing is so overplayed it taints the article in my opinion.

Since it's November 11th, it might be worth pointing out that the British spent the first 2-3 years of the Great War contributing hilariously little to the allied effort, and only really stepped up when France had been pretty much bled out.
Might have been their great plan.
 
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Is there a History thread where we can discuss this?

Seriously. Just shows how far back one has to go and then add in some very dubious history to make some very dubious point. Wildly off-topic in addition to the usual agenda-driven revisionism.
 
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Is there a History thread where we can discuss this?
It might not appear obvious to you, but history has a direct impact on European politics, and indeed world politics. The John Cleese piece is humourous, but to a certain extent the characterisations he describes relect the way Europeans regard each other.
 
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It is obvious to me, and I found the John cleese piece v. funny. However, I feel that echoes' post was slightly off topic and IMO revisionist. I would've liked to discuss the ToV and Clemenceau, while not spamming this thread.
 
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I'm sure there must be an old History thread already, or we could start a new one. But I also feel Echoes's post only merits one response: wut.
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Might have been their great plan.
I don't see it. While they certainly played up their role in WW1 in later times, and they didn't cooperate with the French command to the extent you'd expect of an ally whose weight on the field was rivalled by Belgium's for a long while, the simple fact is that, at the beginning of the war, Britain couldn't have done much more than it did - their land army was positively tiny. If they had just been letting their allies and enemies bleed each other dry, they wouldn't have stepped up themselves like they did - they'd have waited for the US to deploy properly (which didn't happen until mid 1918), and they'd have exploited the troops of their dominions far more than they did (and contrary to what Australian nationalism has to say, they weren't used as cannon fodder).
 
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It is obvious to me, and I found the John cleese piece v. funny. However, I feel that echoes' post was slightly off topic and IMO revisionist. I would've liked to discuss the ToV and Clemenceau, while not spamming this thread.
Echoes is my guiding light for all things spiritual, historical, philisophical, and even bicyclal. He may be misunderstood, but he is always on topic because he is all knowing.
 
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....not unlike my use of Soviet Canuckistan which is homage to Pat Buchanan one of the great minds of the Merican intellectual milleau ( and by extension Merika )....see official like definition below....

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"Soviet Canuckistan

1. A hilarious attempt by Pat Buchanan to make Canada feel shameful about not wanting to participate in a pathetic, unnecessary, wankerific war.

2. A cute nickname for a country that is actually smart enough to stand up to the United States, although the latter of the two countries is fully under the impression that the former is its ***.

Two days ago, when Canada asked the United States not to target Canadian citizens just because they were born in certain countries, Mr. Buchanan griped to Mr. Press that Americans didn't need a lecture "from Soviet Canuckistan."
--The Globe

by Nemuko May 11, 2003

Cheers

I picked it up from you, and have used it ever since wherever our northern neighbor is mentioned. I think it's an absolutely splendid phrase, though not in the sense that Buchanan obviously intended.

@Glenn - yes, the Fawlty Towers 'Germans' sketch sits right at the top of the Golden Pyramid of Comedy!
 
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