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Jagartrott said:
Seriously? What kind of bull**** is that. Hearsay or witness reports, it's just how you frame it, right?
The 'Caesar' archive, released in 2014, showed pictures of 11000 prisoners in Syria having been killed through torture and/or neglect.


So nothing that the US government doesn't do? The bastions of peace. Let's remove more world leaders by force, killing hundreds of thousands....no....millions and install a government that will sell us oil at a cheap price and keep Saudi Arabia and Israel happy.

Expect a confrontation with Iran. Soon. Very soon....
 
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Jagartrott said:
Seriously? What kind of bull**** is that. Hearsay or witness reports, it's just how you frame it, right?
The 'Caesar' archive, released in 2014, showed pictures of 11000 prisoners in Syria having been killed through torture and/or neglect.


So nothing that the US government doesn't do? The bastions of peace. Let's remove more world leaders by force, killing hundreds of thousands....no....millions and install a government that will sell us oil at a cheap price and keep Saudi Arabia and Israel happy.

Expect a confrontation with Iran. Soon. Very soon....
What the USA does or doesn't does not change or excuse the horrific acts of others.
 
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Jagartrott said:
BullsFan22 said:
Jagartrott said:
Seriously? What kind of bull**** is that. Hearsay or witness reports, it's just how you frame it, right?
The 'Caesar' archive, released in 2014, showed pictures of 11000 prisoners in Syria having been killed through torture and/or neglect.


So nothing that the US government doesn't do? The bastions of peace. Let's remove more world leaders by force, killing hundreds of thousands....no....millions and install a government that will sell us oil at a cheap price and keep Saudi Arabia and Israel happy.

Expect a confrontation with Iran. Soon. Very soon....
What the USA does or doesn't does not change or excuse the horrific acts of others.

Ditto. But I have yet to see you criticize US war crimes. And there are plenty.
 
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Then you haven't been paying attention, I'm afraid. I've posted on US policy and its horrendous war machine multiple times in the past.
 
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fauniera said:
Jagartrott said:
If you can stomach to read this:

Up to 13,000 secretly hanged in Syrian jail, says Amnesty
Thousands of other opponents of Assad died from torture and starvation at Saydnaya prison, witness reports suggest
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/07/up-to-13000-secretly-hanged-in-syrian-jail-says-amnesty


But of course, as some have claimed here, Assad isn't all that bad, really.


Yeah, except the report is bogus.

Hearsay Extrapolated

fauniera said:
Interview with Flemish priest Daniël Maes, who lives in Syria:

The Media Coverage on Syria is the Biggest Media Lie of our Time
why did i NOT read the alternative views in the new york times and the guardians of the self-proclaimed freest and fairest media ? may be they think father daniel is tovarich danielov ?

yep, a perfect cover for a 78 year old belgian-born priest aka russian spy living in a syrian monastery :rolleyes:
 
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Who would have thought 5 million people are fleeing and risking their lives for nothing?
The people that pat themselves on the shoulder for being 'critical' about MSM should perhaps also be a bit more critical about stories rebutting MSM reports - or reports by Amnesty or any other NGO - it's all the same really. The exact same pattern is visible in climate change denialists. Only *they* are able to see the truth, the rest are sheeple.
 
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who would have thought that people have always ran from wars that they would risk their lives for a chance to to stay alive ? who would have thought that wars have always had more that one side to keep them going including 10s of thousands of cutthroats from abroad. perhaps people not willing to look into the alternatives to western msm should listen occasionally to a priest who has no dogs in the fight...
 
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Right, his monastery has direct links with Assad, but other than that, no dogs in the fight.
Of course Syria is overrun by terrorists, but Assad and his regime have committed countless attrocities, widely documented by various sources. Will some things have been exagerated? Of course, just like some things are likely to be un(der)reported. I'm not a fan of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' type of BS.
 
I've been hearing Mother Agnès-Mariam de la Croix of Father Daniel Claes' monastery for years. She has no ties with Assad's government. How can she? Assad's regime is secular.

Very good article, Fauniera. ;)
 
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Gallup poll "Would you be willing to fight for your country?" % answering yes

(No idea exactly how this was worded. I'd think for a lot of folks the answer would depend on details, whether they felt the war was justified in some way, etc. So take with grain of salt)

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fauniera said:
Interview with Flemish priest Daniël Maes, who lives in Syria:

The Media Coverage on Syria is the Biggest Media Lie of our Time
Note that the priest does not rebut the fact that Assad has had thousands of people killed. He is just making the point that the rebels do not have clean hands either. And they don't. Nobody in this conflict does. But let's just swallow the propaganda from the likes of Moon of Alabama and give the white hat to Assad's regime.
 
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Beech Mtn said:
Gallup poll "Would you be willing to fight for your country?" % answering yes

(No idea exactly how this was worded. I'd think for a lot of folks the answer would depend on details, whether they felt the war was justified in some way, etc. So take with grain of salt)

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Some really surprising..the number of European countries on the lower 'would fight' range. US as well. Thought Russia would be higher.
 
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Beech Mtn said:
Gallup poll "Would you be willing to fight for your country?" % answering yes

(No idea exactly how this was worded. I'd think for a lot of folks the answer would depend on details, whether they felt the war was justified in some way, etc. So take with grain of salt)

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Some really surprising..the number of European countries on the lower 'would fight' range.
Why is that surprising?
 
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kingjr said:
Bustedknuckle said:
Beech Mtn said:
Gallup poll "Would you be willing to fight for your country?" % answering yes

(No idea exactly how this was worded. I'd think for a lot of folks the answer would depend on details, whether they felt the war was justified in some way, etc. So take with grain of salt)

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Some really surprising..the number of European countries on the lower 'would fight' range.
Why is that surprising?

I guess the memory of WW2 is leaving the collective memory in Europe. Same with Japan, altho when I lived there, the anti-war/anti military 'movement' was in full swing(1980-1983). South Korea, with a bellicose northern neighbor, that also surprising to me.
 
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Bustedknuckle said:
kingjr said:
Bustedknuckle said:
Beech Mtn said:
Gallup poll "Would you be willing to fight for your country?" % answering yes

(No idea exactly how this was worded. I'd think for a lot of folks the answer would depend on details, whether they felt the war was justified in some way, etc. So take with grain of salt)

C4Mkr-DVcAAtq3c.jpg

Some really surprising..the number of European countries on the lower 'would fight' range.
Why is that surprising?

I guess the memory of WW2 is leaving the collective memory in Europe. Same with Japan, altho when I lived there, the anti-war/anti military 'movement' was in full swing(1980-1983). South Korea, with a bellicose northern neighbor, that also surprising to me.
I can tell you that self-loathing is really strong in Germany. Reading the comment sections of political newspaper articles, one could get the impression that it's considered a virtue.
 
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So Russia is actively backing xenophobic parties in Europe and attacking their opponents.
And there is an elitist gay lobby. Nothing Vlad hates more than rich homosexuals.


Macron's party raises alarm on Russian hackers

Macron with EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini at a think-tank event in Switzerland last year (Photo: eeas.europa.eu)

By Andrew Rettman
BRUSSELS, Today, 09:41

The party of French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron has raised the alarm on Russian interference after a gay smear campaign.

Richard Ferrand, the secretary general of Macron’s party, En Marche!, told French talkshow Les 4 Verites on Monday (13 February) that “There are hundreds, we are seeing thousands of attacks on our digital systems, our databases, our websites and these are coming from the area of the Russian border”.

“We want a strong Europe. That’s why we’re suffering attacks on so many websites apparently by the Russian state,” he added.

He urged French voters to beware of “fake news from Russian media which have come to weigh on our democratic life”.

He also said En Marche! had “asked the highest authorities in France to make sure there’s no Russian interference in this campaign”.

Ferrand spoke after Russian state media last weekend began circulating rumours that Macron, a centre-left politician, had had a gay extramarital affair.

The Sputnik news website started the ball rolling on 4 February in an interview with Nicolas Dhuicq, a pro-Russian centre-right French MP who has visited Crimea and who said it rightly belongs to Russia, in which Dhuicq portrayed Macron as a puppet of the US elites and claimed that revelations about his unconventional private life would soon come to light.

“There is very wealthy gay lobby behind him. This says it all,” Dhuicq said.

Russia’s flagship TV news show, the News Of The Week, the following day also ran a report saying “Macron is married to his French teacher from school who is 24 years his senior, but there are still rumours about his nontraditional [sexual] orientation”.

Macron himself laughed off the unsubstantiated claims about his sexuality, saying that perhaps his “hologram” had had a gay affair, but they were spread and discussed on social media and could cause lingering harm to his public standing.

The gay smear comes amid earlier unsubstantiated claims by Sputnik France that Macron was involved in "scandals" concerning party funding and that French media was bias toward him.

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, whose website backed the pro-Russian Donald Trump in the US election by publishing Russian hacks of his opponents emails, has also promised Russian state media to release compromising information on Macron in a sign that the smear campaign is far from over.

Ferrand’s warnings on Monday’s talkshow come amid broader concern over Russian interference in the French and upcoming German elections.

Russia has already been outed for funding the anti-EU and pro-Russian far-right candidate in France, Marine Le Pen, as well as accused of subsidising Germany’s anti-EU party, the AfD.

Spy chiefs in France, Germany, the UK and the US have all echoed Ferrand’s concerns in recent weeks.

The French satirical journal, Le Canard Enchaine, last week cited a source in the French intelligence service, the DGSE, as having said that Russia would release compromising material on Le Pen’s opponents while Russian bots would spread pro-Le Pen messages on social media.

Italso reported that the French national security council was holding meetings on the subject.

According to polls, Le Pen will get into the second round of French elections in May but is likely to be beaten by either Macron or by the centre-right candidate Francois Fillon.

Fillon also has Russia-friendly views and was favoured by the Kremlin, but his chances of securing victory have been harmed by financial irregularities surrounding his wife’s alleged fake job.

Nato’s communications services have also said that Russia’s broader disinformation campaign in Europe has mushroomed since its invasion of Crimea in 2014.

"Nato has been dealing with a significant increase in Russian propaganda and disinformation since Russia's illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014," its spokeswoman, Oana Lungescu, told Reuters and the BBC in separate interviews.

She cited as one example a report by the life.ru website which was based on a fabricated audio file purporting to be the Nato secretary general Jens Stoltenberg in conversation with Ukrainian leader Petro Poroshenko.
 
Macron is an ultraliberal parvenu, coming up all of a sudden as a candidate, nobody knows how. His Macron law is aiming at reducing the Sunday Rest even more and and to further liberalise public transport: Intercity bus trips.

Great reference if you truly are socially oriented. :rolleyes:

Not surprising he attends a think tank event in Switzerland with an EU leader by the way.
 
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US coalition killing more civilians than Russia in Syria: Report

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-coalition-killing-more-civilians-syria-russia-report-1850771101

a note on the sources... the link is by the portal i often read and post here. it is an independent, well informed portal specializing in the middle east analysis. it was never suspected by anyone of a pro-kremlin tilt. a quick review of their material may reveal the slight opposite. the prime source - airwars.org - i heard of for the 1st time.
a quick look at their charts suggest they are also not biased and independent, b/c all they did was to report the reversal of a trend that was lead by kremlin. they even attempted to grade their sources by quality, including what not been verified.

little wonder no major western msm that loves pounding it's democratic and freedom-loving chest reported this.
 
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Those figures contrasted to 14 times more casualties from Russian strikes (713) than US coalition strikes in January 2016.

The monitor said that the shift was in part due to the end of the siege in Aleppo, where Russian air attacks are believed to have killed thousands of people in months of bombing up to and including December, as Syrian government forces and their allies battled rebels in the city.
A click-bait-y headline, but it is good that both sides are being criticized. Russia also has to share some of the blame for the Assad regime prison murders IMO.
 
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The US-led coalition is killing more civilians than Russia in its campaign in Syria for the first time since Moscw entered the country's civil war in 2015, according to data from a war monitor.

The Airwars website reported coalition attacks killed an estimated 254 non-combatants in January,

the simple questions are: why is the us slaughtering the innocent civilians at all ? why is the concern for those women and children slaughtered by the american 'precision waepons' is any different from those we heard about in aleppo ? or was the moral high ground claimed then for the civilian loss a typical fake concern serving a particular spin ? should we give the us military some time to kill more civilians or should we work for the political solution instead of scoring the cheap shots ?
 
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The moral high ground had nothing to do with Aleppo, (which Python has vindictively posted that I was faking in my sympathy for killed civilians there). The moral high ground is being able to see that both Russia and the USA have committed acts that should be condemned. Some people who post here (like moi) are able to drop the partisan rhetoric on this issue. Others.... not so much. People can do the math on who that applies to.

Why is the USA increasingly active? I dunno, might have something to do with Putin and Trump's joint blood vendetta against ISIS.
 
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the moral high ground claimed by those like the fake above is a fact of this little board. dozens of indignant, flaming posts about the innocent civilians in Aleppo. anyone can find them

none, zero about the victims of the american slaughter which was going on at the same time. point me, fake, to a single post where you expressed a balanced concern for the innocent victims. blutto and others pointed an unfortunate dirty business of war... you response was to call those not supporting your spin - the russian stooges.

that's why your concern for those aleppo victims was always a grand fake. when an indisputable evidence points to your country's crimes, you suddenly become 'balanced'.

again. point us to a single of your posts concerned for the civilians slaughtered by the us. the fake dropping a partisan vendetta is the biggest joke of the board. you are it - the partisant, the zealot.
 
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