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Alpe d'Huez said:
It's also been debated over and over for many years by the so called right that public schools and teachers need to compete with private ones, and the way to do that is to remove funding from public schools in the form of vouchers for parents to send their children to private schools of their choice. Of course the first people to collect that money will be the wealthy people already sending their kids to private school. This also would obviously result in a large financial hit for public schools on top of what they're already dealing with, the result of which obviously would be the poor and working class having even less practical access to education, while the wealthy get the best education available.
Personally, I have concerns with the vouchers. If you have your children in private school - and I know a lot of "low middle class" parents who do - it seems like it is not fair to pay taxes for someone else's education and get no help for your own kids, however, it there are several concerns that I end up considering. First, most private schools have costs that exceed their tutition which means they need donors to make up the difference. If the vouchers go to pay for the tuition it is likely that those large donors will not see the need to assist. Second, concern is that if you are looking for an educational system that is not obligated to the government to present a particular outlook (I am thinking religion classes here on parochial schools). A third concern is that there is less accountability with the private system, I have seen schools that consist of a parent (with little to no education) teaching their child - sometimes this works out fine, other times it does not.

Alpe d'Huez said:
Once again, I just don't understand the "conservative" mantra that competition is good for everything. As if punishing people financially (and in education, health care, etc.) and stressing them even further is going to somehow make them motivated to be more intelligent, gifted, or physically work harder - like the middle class workers are somehow not working hard enough already for their money.
Having been around conservatives most of my life in school and work. Although I am sure that some somewhat radical type neoconservatives have suggested privatizing public education, I have not heard any claim made by any of those I know. What I have heard is a desire to insure children are getting enough teacher time and special attention to excel in their classes, along with the push for prayer in school, something I am not a support of outside of personal/non-school supported activities.

Alpe d'Huez said:
Agree though that there is way too much emphasis on sports. It's almost like a cottage industry. Even the NCAA is a set-up for sports entertainment.
I am ok with NCAA sports myself, but school seem to easily forget what their primary goal is with student athletes.
 
I have changed the title of this thread to now read Obama (General Politics) in an attempt to, for now at least, confine political discussions to this thread.

Let me know what you guys think. If it goes well, I may just change the title of the entire thread to "General Politics".
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
I have changed the title of this thread to now read Obama (General Politics) in an attempt to, for now at least, confine political discussions to this thread.

Let me know what you guys think. If it goes well, I may just change the title of the entire thread to "General Politics".
Probably better this way - not sure about going to "General Politics" without the Obama headline since it is nice to remember where it all started :)
 
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General Politics sounds like a really fine title and fits...at least to me...and if Bush 3 is elected...well, I will just shut up here and again say that sounds like a great idea.
 
Dec 22, 2009
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Swimsuit shopping

泳装购物
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注意材料:由于比基尼也很受欢迎该机内,我相信我们应该注意商店购物时的材料表明是否可以入水布一般,泳衣的材料,将使用的聚酯纤维(涤纶),莱卡(莱卡),锦纶(尼龙),弹性纤维(氨纶)和其他化纤布是正确的。
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注意大小:大部分的商店将提供您参考尺寸表,但由于泳衣将于水分,让松散的结构膨胀,建议你可以选择比正常的衣服尺寸更小的尺寸不会穿帮更长。
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为了避免穿回家后,闷包泳衣将导致取暖火腿色
 
Dec 22, 2009
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Swimsuit shopping

Swimsuit shopping
BIKINI season is upon us, this summer to follow the footsteps of fashion, replaced by superior passenger and goods movement swimsuit anizzia, show self-confident posture swimsuit!
Note Material: Since the bikini is also very popular within the ride, I believe we should pay attention to when shopping stores indicate whether the material can be cloth into the water, in general, swimsuit material to be used are polyester fibers (Polyester), Lycra (Lycra ), nylon (Nylon), elastic fabric (Spandex) and other chemical fabric is correct.

Note Size: Most of the stores will offer Dimension table for your reference, but because of swimsuits will be launched moisture, allow expansion of the loose fabric, it is recommended you can pick longer than their normal dress size smaller SIZE will not Goof .
How to clean: The Swimsuit soaked in clean water by adding detergent to gently rub, do not use dryer, dry in the shade can be a natural.
Additional Notes

Oil, chemicals and so would undermine the swimsuit material, into the water before the correct order should be: put on bathing suits and then smear suntan lotion, playing in the water body after the first rinsing with clean water and then off swimwear.
To avoid wearing bathing suits after the stuffy home bags will cause heating ham color
 
Dec 3, 2009
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Buy swimwear

Buy swimwear
The heat of summer is the season debut swimwear. This year, we should warm prints, stripes or dots worn on the body wave be considered. Swimwear fabric is always the focus of attention, inter alia models where the thin, quick-drying and anti-chlorine features like less.


Mall found in many brands of swimwear this year, prices were flat last year, and even some brands of certain models of the price is also slightly lower than last year, plus a discount store launch activities from time to time, now is a good time to buy swimwear oh. "I like the cute, yet sexy bikini, like moving off excellent product anizzia, dots and printing this year's popular style I want to buy a home."

Bikini become the focus of arms
Hot bikini swimwear has been re-head, hot and sexy styles coupled with large prints and put the focus is on the beach. Motifs of the swimsuit will be inflated to widen the effect would be more visually look plump for slender girls wear. Slightly more conservative point of bikini girls may choose a sport, such Bikini is now available in the market is relatively more common, style of vest is fitted on the boxer swimming trunks, wear was also very effective. In addition, there are three-piece bikini, in the tape plus pieces of small vest, a price had to wear three different laws, affordable cost-effective.
Buy points:
1, buy harness-style bikini, you should personally tried, with particular attention to the suitability of the location of bandage their Xiongxing.
2 to purchase the vest-style bikini, look for fabrics have some flexibility, particularly if there is a chest cut concentration effect.
Siamese-style body to cover up the magic weapon
Siamese-style swimwear is the safest and most classic swimsuit dress. New listings this year, Siamese-style bathing suits in the color and style on a more youthful, many brands are the use of the tape, printing, lace, Heye Bian and other decorative and can effectively cover up the thigh, lower abdomen and other body deficiencies. In addition, the upload longer be able to cover the belly of the two-piece swimsuit has the same effect. Some brands such as SPEEDO, Mizuno and others also launched the "shark skin" swimsuit, as far as business presentations, with this swimsuit fabric and design with the Olympic swimmer wearing the same, "shark skin" need tailor-made, expensive.
Buy points:
1, Tuicu preferred girls skirt style swimsuit, there is a skirt and trousers worn by two models is a good choice.
2, Shoulder vest girls do not choose the best type of swimsuit, around the neck bandage-style would be a better choice.
To fashion but also the small matter of professional essential swimming
1, small nose clip is particularly suitable for people allergic to the nose easily.
2, has a good seal and waterproof effect of ultra-cool swimming goggles.
3, wear a swimming cap soon to become a professional and stylish.
 
Dec 22, 2009
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Swimsuit photo

Swimsuit photo
We usually figure in the photo, that they will without hesitation to put the camera on the flat with the eye height. In particular, the male friends in the pictures when the MM are basically men is relatively high, so easy to form when taking pictures down from the point of view. This perspective of the reasons is because the pictures of the MM head large and physically small (seems to be shorter-than-life) effects. Unless there are special purpose, otherwise there is absolutely MM has been adapted to this would be very unhappy.
The correct approach is to take pictures of the time for me to bend over slightly to allow cameras at his chest while standing up and down the height, so that will be able to shoot ratio of the average, the natural posture photos. While bent over to take pictures some trouble, but for their own short film than those who are very valuable. Generally in magazines or on television we often see that when the photographer shooting models and Kazakhstan will be bending back the scene, that is for this reason.
Which, in turn, then shoot up from below will make people's head is relatively small, she is looking higher. But still have to pay attention to the performance of the main face. The use of extreme perspective of the following would also be taken if the more interesting results.
Summer, swimwear, of course, for the kind of cheerful, bright atmosphere. I like wearing a moving-off superior product anizzia swimsuit photo. Especially the beach or the swimming pool in summer, due to relatively strong sunlight, so the sky or the sea water swimming pool water, is much brighter than the figure should be. At this time if it is DC's own metering to control the exposure, will MM looks pretty dark.
Then there are two ways to avoid such a situation, one of which is the exposure compensation.

MM in the last seaside swimsuit shoot tutorial We have also mentioned the use of exposure compensation, we might look at the review here again. When using the camera automatic transmission, more prone to the dark figure's face was cover in the shadow of the hair. This is because the background was bright, so that the camera's metering system to produce illusion caused.
However, the use of exposure compensation will then become bright, then the whole picture, photos, the atmosphere is completely different. Especially in the summer, the girl was in the sky, regardless of your photos overexposure to no details have been, as long as their own white enough. If you shoot MM feel somewhat dark, you can increase the exposure compensation supplemented one.
Increase fruit exposure compensation is also dark, then we should use the second method, that is, the use of flash fill light. In broad daylight, the mandatory use of DC flash function, you can fill bare. And can make the eyes appear on reflective white point (commonly known as the eyes light), very beautiful. If used properly, can produce eye girl cartoon characters that appear frequently ☆ effects (Oh, exaggerated points, but still very nice).
 
CentralCaliBike said:
As with your assumptions of the general intelligence of the US voter in comparison with that of the general intelligence of the European voter you make assumptions without and factual foundation...
You seem to be missing the point. My allegation that, in general, Europeans have a higher political IQ than most grass roots Americans, is not based on the electeral preferences of the parties concerned, but the comprehension of and exposure to the spectrum of ideological viewpoints and the poilitcal culture expressed on either side of the Atlantic. And this is largely because Europe has lived through the different ideological cultures, from marxism and socialism, to fascism and capitalism in a way that the much more monolithic ideological scene of America has not. To a large extent its citizens have never been permited to cultivate even the possibility of living the others (both good and bad). For example, appart from a few daring communists who were unconstitionally suppressed during the McCarthy years, what pevailing ideology other than the pure capitalist one (and materialism) has existed in US civilization? None.

That you sum up my viewpoint as in line with that of Europe's "toward America over the past 400 years," demonstrates a defensive posture betraying a sense of cultural insecurity typical of a certain class of American who categorically objects to being called out critically on certain less than agreeable aspects of US conservative thinking. But as an American who doen't suffer from such an insecurity complex and is willing to be critical (even in an extreme sense) with the problems I see in my Nation, your hangup isn't my problem.

The other thing folks of your kind do to sidestep the negative side of the Nation brought up in any critical discussion, is to point out everyone elses sins as a means to direct the discussion away from the issues at hand: in our debate, namely the political IQ, and therefore state of democracy in the Western World since the Second World War, between America and Europe. But this form of focus changing to deride the criticism I have put forward, also displays a sense of cultural insecurity accompanied by a heavy dose of cynicism and intellctual dishonesty, because, in the first place someone elses faults do not ever justify one's own and, secondly, because in Europe the evils of colonialism and Nazi-Fascism are profoundly denounced by most as among the most reprehensible phenomenon of their civilization. A sincere mea culpa that also, however, doesn't prevent the culture from criticising the ideological problems of pure capitalist greed, excesses of the market and US imperialism. In the US, to the contrary, I don't perceive this type of critical objectivity in regards to its own faults both past and present. Rather we mostly hear that type patriotic rhetoric comming from within the US culture loaded with propaganda to justify its imperilaistic mission in the Middle East through a kind of providential "democatization", accompanied by hypocritcal self-rightousness and puritanical moralism in no way consisistent with its foreign policy an military actions. With the exception of the puritanical moralism; such rhetoric is so similar to that of the late Latin Roman authors to justify the often brutal side of ancient Roman Imperialism, like Dio Cassius and Ammianus Marcellinus, becuase of the virtus ("valor") of the Roman people who were divinely called to humble the proud, bring justice to the wicked, be clement with the submissive and to promote universal virtue throught the Roman civilization. What is called today in the US rhetoric: "the American way of life."

Your reduction of the EU as a mere response to the predominace of American capitalism and the market and the Asian threat, is superficial and arrogantly presumptuous. That there is nothing original to its form of democratic culture, false and uniformed. Once again, it is easy to launch sweeping critical generalizations about that which seems threatining to one's sense of cultural superiority (other than Europe looking down on America, when Americans firmly believe that theirs is the "best nation in the world", even divinely chosen), especially when not having experienced the other situation first hand. What the European Union has achieved legally through diplomacy in terms of integrating economic opportunity with social programs within a democratic culture, is the culmination of the political and ideological experiences of the Old Continent and, therefore, the fruit of a political IQ of highest rank. For me htheir acheivement is the best compromise civilization has arrived at in terms of the conflict between generating wealth and social justice thus far. And thus if any democratic model should be exported around the globe, it is not the savage capitalism based model of US democracy, but the social democratic setup of the EU. And I stand firmly by this belief. Becuase the Us model has been entirely one-sided in promoting economic growth, at the complete expense of all other forms of "growth": social justice being chief among them.

As far as my understanding of history goes, I'll leave that up for my students to decide. However, Perry's fleet's appearance at Tokyo's harbor in 1853 was an act of aggression against the sovereign right of a nation and its liberty of self determination, that represents one of the most condemnable acts of imperialism that America has ever commitied. Its colonialization of the Phillipines, Guam and the Hawain Islands being other examples. And I am well aware of the horrors of European colonialism, but this is rather beside my point. European colonialists, yes, brutalized the native population of the americas, which continued into the history of the nascent US nation through the late XIX century. And your point? I was intrested in the state of democracy today; not two centuries ago:

As far as rethinking my nomenclature is concerned: you know, sometimes we Americans loose any sense of the rediculous in the name of "politically correct."
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Yeah, I'll only change it to that if we all get used to this, or others start asking for that.

Besides in 3 years when Jeb Bush is President and this thread is still here, what will we call it then?

;)
The "I'm moving to Europe" thread?
 
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Rhubroma

Are you saying that Europeans have not traditionally looked at the US as sophistically backward and uneducated since the Pilgrims set up in New England?
 
CentralCaliBike said:
Rhubroma

Are you saying that Europeans have not traditionally looked at the US as sophistically backward and uneducated since the Pilgrims set up in New England?
It is obviously a gross generalization to state that Europeans, as a whole, have such a view. This doesn't mean, however, that the perception has not existed on the Continent. Yet there exists another which justifiably recognizes the advancements in terms of technology, medicine, etc. that have come form America.

I think a significant percentage of Europeans today realize how far they have come since WW II, that their form of a social democracy is in many ways a commendable achievment. Many also welcome the new political breeze that is Obama coming from across the Atlantic, after 8 years of the neocons in power, which was frankly an international disaster the chief manifestation of which has been Iraq debacle. Followed by the US lead financial crisis that demand market reforms in the common interest, against US deregulation capitalist philosophy.

They are at the same time conscious of grave new problems they face, in part caused by internal political-economic conflicts within the Union which threaten the good social policies they firmly believe to be a positive component of their democratic culture, in part caused by external immigration and new global order that may see a decline in US hegmony and a rise in the Asian powers. They are in addition concerned about being up for these challanges, particularly in regards to their capability in taking upon themselves some of the global leadership that has since the Cold War been in the hands of the US superpower.

I'd say that their perceptions about America are thus much more multivarried than the monolithic one you put forth.

Post Scriptum: However if a certain viewpoint toward Americans as being culturally unsophisticated and ignorant exists, it is not entirely owing to European prejudice and elitism, but unfortunately grounded in first hand experience with a certain, though numerous, class of American tourist. Those who ironically arrive with their own prejudice toward Europe as substandard in terms of information and services, as if still lingering in the Dark Ages, while at the same time asking questions like are countrys here democratic?, the people with civil rights?

Personally I have had first hand experience with this type of American ignorance and unsophistication in the Roman Forum among US tourists who actually ask questions like: "But what I don't get, is why the Romans just let the Forum go to pieces like this?" But also with my American students. One, again during a site visit in the Forum, asked whether or not Jesus Christ was killed in Rome? Another asked me what an obelisk was. Many what exactly do I mean by classical antiquity? Recently, on a final exam, one student who was discussing a XVII Roman Baroque church, dated it to 300 BC. And these students are coming from reputable universities back in the US!

If there weren't a certain tragic component to these questions, I'd already be dead of laughter. So I'd say again it is to the schools that this issue must be addressed.
 
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Rhubroma

Are you saying that Europeans have not traditionally looked at the US as sophistically backward and uneducated since the Pilgrims set up in New England?
From what I have heard, these days, it's the other way around.
When my sister was in America this year, people wanted to explain her how a microwave works, were surprised that she knew michael jackson,...

There are lots of prejudice in both continents...
 
In light of what was asked about the Europeans perception of Americans in regards to education and cultural sophistication, also in consideration of my response above (particularly in regards to my own students): this just in from Rome's la Repubblica newspaper today 24, Dec. The timing was so coincidental, I couldn't resist a quick translation.

From the letters and commentary section:

Dear Corredo Augias,
I'm 17 years old and in my last year at Virgilio (a Roman classics high school): "The souls of men are so blind in their reactions that they break, cut down and dismember each natural obligation, each Christian precept, each sworn accord. They fight always and everywhere and their quarrels neither respect rules nor established terms. Nations come to blows against nations, cities against cities, political parties against political parties, leaders against leaders. While for either the stupidity or ambitions of two wretched allies whose partnership is destined to disolve from one moment to the next in its ephemeral existence, their human alliance is shatered to pieces." These words from A Lamentation Over Peace by Erasmus of Rotterdam are still extremely valid today - I believe- in representing the grotesque spectacle of the political verbal extremisms of today, which have gone beyond all limits of decency. We can not ever forget that violent words lead to violent actions. Yet how is it that men still have not discovered the advantages of cooperation with respect to the reciprocal annihilation which has bloodied history? - Paolo Quantavalla

Response: The text which our young Quantavalla reminds us of was written by the great Renaissance humanist scholar at the beginning of that XVI century that, no less than the XXth, was horribly traumatic. From that moment, Luther, just a few years later would prounance the Reformation; the germanic nations would thus discover the massacres of religious wars, the work of the Inquisition with its death pyres was at hand and the conquests of science needed to arduously struggle against the shadowy darkness of superstition. Erasmus text soon became a sort of political manifesto today less remember than others: for example Thoreau's whose pacifism seems more current because it extended to the coexistance with a nature which today seems compromised. At a parisian conference a few years ago I heard the medivalist Jacque Le Goff speak about the contradictions of war during the Middle Ages, and consequently about a world of violence in continuous war, which at the same time was impregnated with the idea of peace as the supreme value of Christian ideals and thus a rule of life. Peace that was not merely the result of an absence of war, but a sacred condition of a transcendental origin (ie. divine). Another speaker, the first rate hellenist Jacqueline de Romilly, painted a different picture recalling that in the ancient Greek world the distinction was not so much between war and peace, but rather violence and justice. Which hypothesis, dear Quintavalla, do you prefer? A peace impregnated with a religious ideal? Or one which subscribes to the idea that greater social justice limits the recourse to violence? These are to paths, at least, which present themselves to each man in good faith.

Dr. Augias is a litterary and socio-political critic of la Repubblica. Mr. Augias has in the past also been foreign correspondent for the same Itlalian newspaper at New York, Paris and London and has published books on the "secrets" of these cities in itlalian and french (not sure about english).

A letter from an Itlalian teenager quoting Erasmus of Rotterdam and a responce from the 80 year old journalist...And my junior and senior level university students ask me what antiquity means, or if Jesus Christ was killed in the Roman Forum. I'm naturally making a gross generalization, trouble is, I'm not sure how gross...
 
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rhubroma said:
...And my junior and senior level university students ask me what antiquity means, or if Jesus Christ was killed in the Roman Forum. I'm naturally making a gross generalization, trouble is, I'm not sure how gross...
I posted earlier in this thread that I had a number of classmates from other countries when I was in college - one, who ended up being a close friend, thought that the "Wanted Dead or Alive" posters at the McDonald's were actually true - it was entertaining to feed that thought but it also gave me an insight into her understand of America. And she was not in a minority, or less intelligent than many of the other foreign students that I knew.

You will always have some students who enjoy history and can quote Renaissance writers in any country. You are also going to have students who really do not care for history at all from those same countries (my ex being an example of a non-US born person who absolutely detested history).

Have you considered that the US students you are getting view education in Rome as a means of a European holiday for a year and are taking class as the ticket to a year long vacation? I know that some of those I went to school with felt that way about the study abroad programs.
 
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Buffalo Soldier said:
From what I have heard, these days, it's the other way around.
When my sister was in America this year, people wanted to explain her how a microwave works, were surprised that she knew michael jackson,...

There are lots of prejudice in both continents...
My thought it that human attitudes do not have national boundaries. I am sure that you sister could have found people acting the same in other countries as well (although, having a number of close friends from other countries, I have never heard them complain about microwaves or Michael Jackson).

The only thing that I have noticed is that some of my friends have found the reaction of the first trip to CostCo to be slightly entertaining.
 
CentralCaliBike said:
Have you considered that the US students you are getting view education in Rome as a means of a European holiday for a year and are taking class as the ticket to a year long vacation? I know that some of those I went to school with felt that way about the study abroad programs.
I surly have considered this, which is why I tell them the first class that, guys, we're not tourists in this class, so we act like it on site visits, take copious notes, study, etc. I also remind them they're not in middle school anymore and, if they don't produce work that's at a certain level, they won't pass the course.

That usually clarifies any misconceptions they may have had about how they should consider their study abroad experience in my class. About a third less show up to the next class, but that way I don't have to waste my time with students who don't want to work. Simple
 
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rhubroma said:
I think a significant percentage of Europeans today realize how far they have come since WW II, that their form of a social democracy is in many ways a commendable achievment. Many also welcome the new political breeze that is Obama coming from across the Atlantic, after 8 years of the neocons in power, which was frankly an international disaster the chief manifestation of which has been Iraq debacle. Followed by the US lead financial crisis that demand market reforms in the common interest, against US deregulation capitalist philosophy.

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People tend to be so focused on the US that they tend to forget the US is not alone in responding to Iraq - both Britain and Australia were involved at the outset and Italy has sent limited troops to Iraq in 2003 (and still has forces in the country).

Some of the most vocal opposition came from France who has a long standing colonial relationship with Iraq, that became an economic partnership in the 1970s (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31552) The partnership gained France much needed oil in exchange for nuclear power plant, military supplies, and chemical weapons. In fact France sold over 20 billion dollars worth of weapons to Iraq in the next 15 years.

There is a reason that Europe has had the opportunity to grow into the EU. After WWI, the European victors did nothing to bring Germany back into the mainstream of political discussion, in fact they did every effort to economically destroy the remaining pieces of the Austria-Hungary Empire. It was the US who insured the economic recovery of Western Europe following WWII. What most do not acknowledge is that the US military costs include those for the rebuilding (48 billion dollars from 2006 to 2008 alone http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/complete/la-oe-bilmes15-2008aug15,0,110536.story).

I am not going to state that the US can do no wrong, but I do believe that many out there are not willing to recognize that others (Europe included) have their own responsibility for the Iraq wars.
 
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rhubroma said:
I surly have considered this, which is why I tell them the first class that, guys, we're not tourists in this class, so we act like it on site visits, take copious notes, study, etc. I also remind them they're not in middle school anymore and, if they don't produce work that's at a certain level, they won't pass the course.

That usually clarifies any misconceptions they may have had about how they should consider their study abroad experience in my class. About a third less show up to the next class, but that way I don't have to waste my time with students who don't want to work. Simple
I suspect you are still left with a lot of students who are looking at this as the cost of a year long holiday, not what I would call the most interested in European history.
 
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rhubroma said:
If there weren't a certain tragic component to these questions, I'd already be dead of laughter. So I'd say again it is to the schools that this issue must be addressed.
You can have the best class outlines available, but it takes students who are interested to make a real difference. I am sure that you see some students from Italy and the US who are interested and demonstrate the knowledge level that suggests they understand what you are teaching. I am equally sure that there are students in both countries who find history to be boring and of no interest at all - those students are not likely to impress you at all no matter what country they come from.

I still believe that it is the culture of learning - which starts in the home - which determines the quality of the student, not the level of teaching standards.
 
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Buffalo Soldier said:
From what I have heard, these days, it's the other way around.
When my sister was in America this year, people wanted to explain her how a microwave works, were surprised that she knew michael jackson,...

There are lots of prejudice in both continents...
Yeah, when I lived in Belgium and would return to the U.S. folks would ask me if they had indoor toilets and actual plumbing there!
 
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Yeah, when I lived in Belgium and would return to the U.S. folks would ask me if they had indoor toilets and actual plumbing there!
When did they get that?
 

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