World Politics

[blutto]

....hmmm looks like that N Korean crisis was just the show part of the protection racket scam thingee that the Merikan military industrial complex has been running....the money part is below....

SEOUL — The United States military started installing a controversial antimissile defense system in South Korea overnight Tuesday, triggering protests and sparking criticism that it was rushing to get the battery in place before the likely election of a president who opposes it.

The sudden and unannounced move came only six days after the U.S. military command in South Korea secured the land to deploy the system, known as the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense, or THAAD.

Moon Jae-in, a liberal candidate who has a strong lead in polls ahead of a May 9 presidential election, has promised to review South Korea’s decision to host the antimissile battery.

“There’s a sense in Seoul that THAAD deployment has been rushed based on the timetable of South Korea’s presidential election, rather than North Korea’s threats,” said John Delury, a professor of international relations at Yonsei University in Seoul.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/us-military-starts-installing-controversial-anti-missile-battery-in-south-korea/2017/04/25/3efe2fba-2a2a-11e7-86b7-5d31b5fdc114_story.html?utm_term=.7d2e98ef2a56

....and....

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-25/

Cheers

 

[blutto]

Re: Re:

I mentioned this in the US politics thread but wanted to mention it here.

I read the news articles linked here with respect to the gas attack there in Syria. Says the French were able to biologically signature the attack to the syrian way of manufacture. That is pretty good evidence.

I still don't understand why the UN can't dispatch an or should have dispatched a investigation team. Then gave us the results. The UN sux for sure they can't even do something like this.

The other little thing that makes me go back to a previous and obvious lie. Back in 2013 the Syrian's crossed the red line...drawn by "keep it kool". Then "keep it Kool" claimed that all the chemicals had been removed from Syria from the negotiations. Where are all the chemicals? Shouldn't the UN have a team that goes in and verify's the chemicals are all gone now,,,,as in Iraq back in the day?

AFAIK the area is not safe enough. Alqaida types, Salafis, mixed with rebels who are "nice" are those that would have to guarantee any inspectors safety.

Also IIRC the last UN investigation in 2013 was approved by Russia. I think one of the conditions was that it would not point toward who did it.

But initially OPCWs first team, assessed that the Rockets had come from Syrian controlled Territory. But they didn't actually say the Syrians did it.

As for the Red Line, IMHO it was a very good deal that Obama got. The stock piles that were reported were removed and destroyed.

The country is in a state of civil war, so it's not possible to have UN inspectors roaming the country.
The chemicals from this attack could simply have not been reported, or it is a new batch. The Syrians should still know how to produce more.

...here is a question ...how can the country be in a state of civil war when the , uhhh, "freedom fighters" are almost exclusively foreigners.....

Cheers

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Re: Re:

Here is the French report:
http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/170425_-_evaluation_nationale_-_anglais_-_final_cle0dbf47-1.pdf

Python, stop believing RT. It is a propaganda project. If you speak Russian you should know this.

@Bustedknuckel
Thanks!

Was it a Navy Pilot you were back in the 80s?

Juuust checking. Is the BBC a propaganda project? CBC? ABC? Which government funded media are propaganda and which aren't? The news they report, is it factually correct even if it's selective?

John Swanson

...point taken, but there is also that thingee about the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth....the slickest way to lie is be selective about the truth eh....

Cheers

Absolutely. Do you remember that time it was widely reported that Putin stated that Russia wanted to expand its borders without end? Lots of hysteria.

Then RT posted a slightly cringey video of Putin at some kind of children's geography competition. He was on stage and asked one of the competitors where Russia's borders begin and end. The kid said something about Vladivastok or something. Putin then corrected him by saying that like a circle, borders are continuous and have neither a beginning or end.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for every country to invest in reporting news that is national interest. ESPECIALLY if the main stream news sources aren't reporting it. As long as it's all factual and complete, I think it's a very healthy form of propaganda.

John Swanson

 

[blutto]

Re:

I mentioned this in the US politics thread but wanted to mention it here.

I read the news articles linked here with respect to the gas attack there in Syria. Says the French were able to biologically signature the attack to the syrian way of manufacture. That is pretty good evidence.

I still don't understand why the UN can't dispatch an or should have dispatched a investigation team. Then gave us the results. The UN sux for sure they can't even do something like this.

The other little thing that makes me go back to a previous and obvious lie. Back in 2013 the Syrian's crossed the red line...drawn by "keep it kool". Then "keep it Kool" claimed that all the chemicals had been removed from Syria from the negotiations. Where are all the chemicals? Shouldn't the UN have a team that goes in and verify's the chemicals are all gone now,,,,as in Iraq back in the day?

...is this the UN thingee youse bringing up....

Outrage After At Least 5 EU Nations Elect Saudi Arabia On UN Women's Rights Council

....gosh if the UN can live with something like that they are capable of pretty near everything/anything ....

In what may have been the biggest trolling of the United Nations in recent history, Saudi Arabia was elected via secret ballot in the UN Economic and Social Council to the 45-member UN Commission on the Status of Women last week. According to Reuters, twelve other countries were also elected by the council in Geneva to serve for a four-year term, ending in 2022: Algeria, Comoros, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ghana, Kenya, Iraq, Japan, South Korea, Turkmenistan, Ecuador, Haiti and Nicaragua.

The news promptly sparked mocking and ridicule. UN Watch, a human rights organization monitoring the performance of the United Nations, strongly condemned the appointment of Saudi Arabia to post,citing Riyadh’s poor women’s rights record and widespread gender inequality

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-23/outrage-after-least-5-eu-nations-elect-saudi-arabia-un-womens-rights-council

Cheers

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re: Re:

I mentioned this in the US politics thread but wanted to mention it here.

I read the news articles linked here with respect to the gas attack there in Syria. Says the French were able to biologically signature the attack to the syrian way of manufacture. That is pretty good evidence.

I still don't understand why the UN can't dispatch an or should have dispatched a investigation team. Then gave us the results. The UN sux for sure they can't even do something like this.

The other little thing that makes me go back to a previous and obvious lie. Back in 2013 the Syrian's crossed the red line...drawn by "keep it kool". Then "keep it Kool" claimed that all the chemicals had been removed from Syria from the negotiations. Where are all the chemicals? Shouldn't the UN have a team that goes in and verify's the chemicals are all gone now,,,,as in Iraq back in the day?

...is this the UN thingee youse bringing up....

Outrage After At Least 5 EU Nations Elect Saudi Arabia On UN Women's Rights Council

....gosh if the UN can live with something like that they are capable of pretty near everything/anything ....

In what may have been the biggest trolling of the United Nations in recent history, Saudi Arabia was elected via secret ballot in the UN Economic and Social Council to the 45-member UN Commission on the Status of Women last week. According to Reuters, twelve other countries were also elected by the council in Geneva to serve for a four-year term, ending in 2022: Algeria, Comoros, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ghana, Kenya, Iraq, Japan, South Korea, Turkmenistan, Ecuador, Haiti and Nicaragua.

The news promptly sparked mocking and ridicule. UN Watch, a human rights organization monitoring the performance of the United Nations, strongly condemned the appointment of Saudi Arabia to post,citing Riyadh’s poor women’s rights record and widespread gender inequality

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-23/outrage-after-least-5-eu-nations-elect-saudi-arabia-un-womens-rights-council

Cheers

Yeah I heard they really do have a great record on their treatment of women. They even let them walk outside sometimes when they are not on a leash.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re: Re:

I mentioned this in the US politics thread but wanted to mention it here.

I read the news articles linked here with respect to the gas attack there in Syria. Says the French were able to biologically signature the attack to the syrian way of manufacture. That is pretty good evidence.

I still don't understand why the UN can't dispatch an or should have dispatched a investigation team. Then gave us the results. The UN sux for sure they can't even do something like this.

The other little thing that makes me go back to a previous and obvious lie. Back in 2013 the Syrian's crossed the red line...drawn by "keep it kool". Then "keep it Kool" claimed that all the chemicals had been removed from Syria from the negotiations. Where are all the chemicals? Shouldn't the UN have a team that goes in and verify's the chemicals are all gone now,,,,as in Iraq back in the day?

AFAIK the area is not safe enough. Alqaida types, Salafis, mixed with rebels who are "nice" are those that would have to guarantee any inspectors safety.

Also IIRC the last UN investigation in 2013 was approved by Russia. I think one of the conditions was that it would not point toward who did it.

But initially OPCWs first team, assessed that the Rockets had come from Syrian controlled Territory. But they didn't actually say the Syrians did it.

As for the Red Line, IMHO it was a very good deal that Obama got. The stock piles that were reported were removed and destroyed.

The country is in a state of civil war, so it's not possible to have UN inspectors roaming the country.
The chemicals from this attack could simply have not been reported, or it is a new batch. The Syrians should still know how to produce more.

Quick Question. In Norway do you guys ever get scared of the impending russian invasion? You do share a border with them and of course Finland which as everyone knows has already been invaded by putin.

 

[BullsFan22]

Re: Re:

I mentioned this in the US politics thread but wanted to mention it here.

I read the news articles linked here with respect to the gas attack there in Syria. Says the French were able to biologically signature the attack to the syrian way of manufacture. That is pretty good evidence.

I still don't understand why the UN can't dispatch an or should have dispatched a investigation team. Then gave us the results. The UN sux for sure they can't even do something like this.

The other little thing that makes me go back to a previous and obvious lie. Back in 2013 the Syrian's crossed the red line...drawn by "keep it kool". Then "keep it Kool" claimed that all the chemicals had been removed from Syria from the negotiations. Where are all the chemicals? Shouldn't the UN have a team that goes in and verify's the chemicals are all gone now,,,,as in Iraq back in the day?

AFAIK the area is not safe enough. Alqaida types, Salafis, mixed with rebels who are "nice" are those that would have to guarantee any inspectors safety.

Also IIRC the last UN investigation in 2013 was approved by Russia. I think one of the conditions was that it would not point toward who did it.

But initially OPCWs first team, assessed that the Rockets had come from Syrian controlled Territory. But they didn't actually say the Syrians did it.

As for the Red Line, IMHO it was a very good deal that Obama got. The stock piles that were reported were removed and destroyed.

The country is in a state of civil war, so it's not possible to have UN inspectors roaming the country.
The chemicals from this attack could simply have not been reported, or it is a new batch. The Syrians should still know how to produce more.

Quick Question. In Norway do you guys ever get scared of the impending russian invasion? You do share a border with them and of course Finland which as everyone knows has already been invaded by putin.

Everything was going so smoothly until the last few words. Keyboard now. Please.

 

[BullsFan22]

http://plenglish.com/index.php?o=rn&id=12020&SEO=evo-morales-condemns-us-policy-towards-syria-and-venezuela

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Re:

Here is the French report:
http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/170425_-_evaluation_nationale_-_anglais_-_final_cle0dbf47-1.pdf

Python, stop believing RT. It is a propaganda project. If you speak Russian you should know this.

@Bustedknuckel
Thanks!

Was it a Navy Pilot you were back in the 80s?

1973-1993..

 

[ToreBear]

Re: Re:

I mentioned this in the US politics thread but wanted to mention it here.

I read the news articles linked here with respect to the gas attack there in Syria. Says the French were able to biologically signature the attack to the syrian way of manufacture. That is pretty good evidence.

I still don't understand why the UN can't dispatch an or should have dispatched a investigation team. Then gave us the results. The UN sux for sure they can't even do something like this.

The other little thing that makes me go back to a previous and obvious lie. Back in 2013 the Syrian's crossed the red line...drawn by "keep it kool". Then "keep it Kool" claimed that all the chemicals had been removed from Syria from the negotiations. Where are all the chemicals? Shouldn't the UN have a team that goes in and verify's the chemicals are all gone now,,,,as in Iraq back in the day?

AFAIK the area is not safe enough. Alqaida types, Salafis, mixed with rebels who are "nice" are those that would have to guarantee any inspectors safety.

Also IIRC the last UN investigation in 2013 was approved by Russia. I think one of the conditions was that it would not point toward who did it.

But initially OPCWs first team, assessed that the Rockets had come from Syrian controlled Territory. But they didn't actually say the Syrians did it.

As for the Red Line, IMHO it was a very good deal that Obama got. The stock piles that were reported were removed and destroyed.

The country is in a state of civil war, so it's not possible to have UN inspectors roaming the country.
The chemicals from this attack could simply have not been reported, or it is a new batch. The Syrians should still know how to produce more.

...here is a question ...how can the country be in a state of civil war when the , uhhh, "freedom fighters" are almost exclusively foreigners.....

Cheers

They can't. But since the "freedom fighters" are mostly Syrian it can be a civil war. Though I have a few doubts about the Assad forces. I think they are in a slump regarding moral and are getting a lot of help from their friends.

 

[blutto]

.....file under this is really gonna mess up some highly publicized narratives.....

French ‘Proof’ That Assad Used Sarin in Khan Sheikhoun Turns out to Be Complete BS

For over a week now France has claimed it has irrefutable evidence that Syrian military used gas against civilians earlier this month and would present it shortly.

It has now done so. It says it has determined that sarin used in the 2017 Khan Sheikhoun attack came from the same stock used in an earlier 2013 attack.

This is it. This is the extent of its super-duper evidence.

Because Paris “knows” the Syrian army used sarin in 2013, which Syria denies and was never proven, France now “knows” Syria also used sarin in 2017.

Anywhere else that would be called circular logic.

If anything, if samples from Khan Sheikhoun match sarin used in 2013 that makes it all the more likely that it came from rebel stock. The same stock they ultimately used to stage the East Ghouta false flag.

https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2017/04/26/french-proof-that-assad-used-sarin-in-khan-sheikhoun-turns-out-to-be-complete-bs/

Cheers

 

[blutto]

....and its not like the evidence was there or wasn't....

“An Impeachable Offence”: Professor Postol and Syria

by Media Lens / April 26th, 2017


It is hard to believe that just three weeks ago the entire corporate media was in uproar over Syria; specifically, about the need to ‘do something’ in response to an alleged chemical weapons attack in Khan Shaykhun, Idlib, Syria, on April 4. Guardian commentator George Monbiot summed up the corporate media zeitgeist:


Do those who still insist Syrian govt didn’t drop chemical weapons have any idea how much evidence they are denying?

Monbiot linked to evidence supplied by Bellingcat, an organisation hosted by Eliot Higgins. In a 2014 letter to the London Review of Books, Richard Lloyd and Ted Postol, described by the New York Times as ‘leading weapons experts’, dismissed Higgins as ‘a blogger who, although he has been widely quoted as an expert in the American mainstream media, has changed his facts every time new technical information has challenged his conclusion that the Syrian government must have been responsible for the sarin attack [in Ghouta, August 2013]. In addition, the claims that Higgins makes that are correct are all derived from our findings, which have been transmitted to him in numerous exchanges’.

Professor Postol, a professor emeritus of science, technology, and national-security policy at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, has an impressive record of fearlessly debunking propaganda. For example, the Pentagon declared the Patriot missile system no less than 98% successful at intercepting and destroying Iraqi Scud missiles during the 1991 Gulf War. After careful examination, Postol found that the Patriot’s success rate was rather less impressive:


It became clear that it wasn’t even close to intercepting any targets, let alone some targets.1

Postol has now challenged a White House report on the alleged chemical weapons attack in Idlib. He notes:


The only source the document cites as evidence that the attack was by the Syrian government [air force] is the crater it claims to have identified on a road in the North of Khan Shaykhun.

But Postol claims that the White House’s photographic evidence ‘clearly indicates that the munition was almost certainly placed on the ground with an external detonating explosive on top of it that crushed the container so as to disperse the alleged load of sarin’.

The role of an honest press corps should be to apply skepticism to all official stories, not carry water for “our side” and reject anything coming from the “other side,” which is what The New York Times, The Washington Post and the rest of the Western mainstream media have done, especially regarding Middle East policies and now the New Cold War with Russia.

Our search of the Lexis database (April 26) finds that no UK newspaper article has mentioned the words ‘Postol’ and ‘Syria’ in the last month. In our April 12 media alert, we noted that former and current UN weapons inspectors Hans Blix, Scott Ritter and Jerry Smith, as well as former CIA counterterrorism official Philip Giraldi, had all questioned the official narrative of what happened on April 4. Lexis finds these results for UK national newspapers:

‘Blix’ and ‘Syria’ = 0 hits

‘Ritter’ and ‘Syria’ = 0 hits

‘Jerry Smith’ and Syria = 1 hit

‘Giraldi’ and ‘Syria’ = 0 hits.

It is remarkable that, even after the deceptions of Iraq and Libya, journalists are so unwilling to report credible evidence challenging the US government’s version of events. This is made even more shocking by the fact that Trump has not, of course, been treated with the respect and deference usually reserved for US presidents. Rather, he has been subjected to a barrage of relentless and damning criticism. And yet, in response to his illegal bombing of a foreign country, the press has not only dropped its usual criticism, but showered Trump with praise while suppressing reasoned criticism. Yet more evidence that corporate journalism is dangerously corrupted by political and economic forces demanding Perpetual War.

http://dissidentvoice.org/2017/04/an-impeachable-offence-professor-postol-and-syria/

Cheers

 

[ToreBear]

Re: Re:

I mentioned this in the US politics thread but wanted to mention it here.

I read the news articles linked here with respect to the gas attack there in Syria. Says the French were able to biologically signature the attack to the syrian way of manufacture. That is pretty good evidence.

I still don't understand why the UN can't dispatch an or should have dispatched a investigation team. Then gave us the results. The UN sux for sure they can't even do something like this.

The other little thing that makes me go back to a previous and obvious lie. Back in 2013 the Syrian's crossed the red line...drawn by "keep it kool". Then "keep it Kool" claimed that all the chemicals had been removed from Syria from the negotiations. Where are all the chemicals? Shouldn't the UN have a team that goes in and verify's the chemicals are all gone now,,,,as in Iraq back in the day?

AFAIK the area is not safe enough. Alqaida types, Salafis, mixed with rebels who are "nice" are those that would have to guarantee any inspectors safety.

Also IIRC the last UN investigation in 2013 was approved by Russia. I think one of the conditions was that it would not point toward who did it.

But initially OPCWs first team, assessed that the Rockets had come from Syrian controlled Territory. But they didn't actually say the Syrians did it.

As for the Red Line, IMHO it was a very good deal that Obama got. The stock piles that were reported were removed and destroyed.

The country is in a state of civil war, so it's not possible to have UN inspectors roaming the country.
The chemicals from this attack could simply have not been reported, or it is a new batch. The Syrians should still know how to produce more.

Quick Question. In Norway do you guys ever get scared of the impending russian invasion? You do share a border with them and of course Finland which as everyone knows has already been invaded by putin.

Impending invasion? Putin has invaded Finland? Do you know what you wrote here?

 

[ToreBear]

Re: Re:

Here is the French report:
http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/170425_-_evaluation_nationale_-_anglais_-_final_cle0dbf47-1.pdf

Python, stop believing RT. It is a propaganda project. If you speak Russian you should know this.

@Bustedknuckel
Thanks!

Was it a Navy Pilot you were back in the 80s?

1973-1993..

What kind of planes did you fly?

 

[Jagartrott]

Just an observation: there are so many parallels between global change deniers and the deniers of wrongdoing on behalf of Syria it's creepy. The mainstream (media) is obviously always wrong, dubious experts can be called in to counter any argument, and there is a continuous undertone of some widespread conspiracy to hide the truth for greater purposes.

 

[ToreBear]

Re:

Just an observation: there are so many parallels between global change deniers and the deniers of wrongdoing on behalf of Syria it's creepy. The mainstream (media) is obviously always wrong, dubious experts can be called in to counter any argument, and there is a continuous undertone of some widespread conspiracy to hide the truth for greater purposes.

Yep I see it too.

 

[Dan2016]

Re:

Just an observation: there are some very vague and perhaps slightly irrelevant parallels between man-made climate change skeptics and the skeptics of wrongdoing on behalf of Syria. Both are healthy and encouraging though - skepticism and critical thinking are important. The mainstream (media) is almost always biased and misleading. Thankfully, experts like renowned MIT professors can offer critical analysis to counter arguments and propaganda, which is very welcome and helps inform our own critical thinking as individuals. It's very unfortunate that there is such a continuous practice of hiding the truth from the public by governments and the MSM.

It was quicker to reply by just tweaking your post. <smileyface>

(edit: 'climate', not 'global'. As eagle eyes Blutto spotted below...)

 

[blutto]

Re:

Just an observation: there are so many parallels between global change deniers and the deniers of wrongdoing on behalf of Syria it's creepy. The mainstream (media) is obviously always wrong, dubious experts can be called in to counter any argument, and there is a continuous undertone of some widespread conspiracy to hide the truth for greater purposes.

....ah you can just taste the desperation when someone has to stoop to this level of nonsense....and not to imply that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about because I'm not but would like to see something more concrete than just a wild ass guess...

...now this following is based on the assumption that when you wrote global change deniers you meant to say global climate change deniers.....

.... I realize that I'm simple an n of 1 but this blutto has been a Green Party member for nigh on 20 years and has put considerable time and energy into several large projects that are most definitely not of the climate change denier ilk , in fact quite the opposite....so sorry, but at least in this case, you are, dead wrong ( though that being said am detecting a pattern of dead wrongs....youse may want to check your bearing cause they ain't what youse think they are.....)....

Cheers

 

[blutto]

Re: Re:

Just an observation: there are so many parallels between global change deniers and the deniers of wrongdoing on behalf of Syria it's creepy. The mainstream (media) is obviously always wrong, dubious experts can be called in to counter any argument, and there is a continuous undertone of some widespread conspiracy to hide the truth for greater purposes.

Yep I see it too.

....oh so cute...peas in a pod....holding hands for comfort when you suddenly realize everything you know is wrong, terribly and hugely wrong....too bad, so sad....well. at least you have each other....have a nice day...

Cheers

 

[aphronesis]

I'll recommend the nlr article I linked in the US thread for those throwing around acccusations of post-factual and "paranoid bias" while lacking any greater holistic, contemporary or metapolitical frameworks in which to locate their discomfort.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Re: Re:

I mentioned this in the US politics thread but wanted to mention it here.

I read the news articles linked here with respect to the gas attack there in Syria. Says the French were able to biologically signature the attack to the syrian way of manufacture. That is pretty good evidence.

I still don't understand why the UN can't dispatch an or should have dispatched a investigation team. Then gave us the results. The UN sux for sure they can't even do something like this.

The other little thing that makes me go back to a previous and obvious lie. Back in 2013 the Syrian's crossed the red line...drawn by "keep it kool". Then "keep it Kool" claimed that all the chemicals had been removed from Syria from the negotiations. Where are all the chemicals? Shouldn't the UN have a team that goes in and verify's the chemicals are all gone now,,,,as in Iraq back in the day?

AFAIK the area is not safe enough. Alqaida types, Salafis, mixed with rebels who are "nice" are those that would have to guarantee any inspectors safety.

Also IIRC the last UN investigation in 2013 was approved by Russia. I think one of the conditions was that it would not point toward who did it.

But initially OPCWs first team, assessed that the Rockets had come from Syrian controlled Territory. But they didn't actually say the Syrians did it.

As for the Red Line, IMHO it was a very good deal that Obama got. The stock piles that were reported were removed and destroyed.

The country is in a state of civil war, so it's not possible to have UN inspectors roaming the country.
The chemicals from this attack could simply have not been reported, or it is a new batch. The Syrians should still know how to produce more.

...here is a question ...how can the country be in a state of civil war when the , uhhh, "freedom fighters" are almost exclusively foreigners.....

Cheers

They can't. But since the "freedom fighters" are mostly Syrian it can be a civil war. Though I have a few doubts about the Assad forces. I think they are in a slump regarding moral and are getting a lot of help from their friends.

You are right, of course..Syrian Army, well, not exactly all 'Syrians'..throw in some Russian 'influence', like air force.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/11/thousands-iranians-fighting-syria-161120090537447.html

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Re: Re:

Here is the French report:
http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/170425_-_evaluation_nationale_-_anglais_-_final_cle0dbf47-1.pdf

Python, stop believing RT. It is a propaganda project. If you speak Russian you should know this.

@Bustedknuckel
Thanks!

Was it a Navy Pilot you were back in the 80s?

1973-1993..

What kind of planes did you fly?

PM sent. Some get upset here when I 'beat my chest' about what I did for 20 years.

 

[patricknd]

Re: Re:

Just an observation: there are so many parallels between global change deniers and the deniers of wrongdoing on behalf of Syria it's creepy. The mainstream (media) is obviously always wrong, dubious experts can be called in to counter any argument, and there is a continuous undertone of some widespread conspiracy to hide the truth for greater purposes.

....ah you can just taste the desperation when someone has to stoop to this level of nonsense....and not to imply that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about because I'm not but would like to see something more concrete than just a wild *** guess...

...now this following is based on the assumption that when you wrote global change deniers you meant to say global climate change deniers.....

.... I realize that I'm simple an n of 1 but this blutto has been a Green Party member for nigh on 20 years and has put considerable time and energy into several large projects that are most definitely not of the climate change denier ilk , in fact quite the opposite....so sorry, but at least in this case, you are, dead wrong ( though that being said am detecting a pattern of dead wrongs....youse may want to check your bearing cause they ain't what youse think they are.....)....

Cheers

jagartrott can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that he/she/it (please note the careful avoidance of assigning gender identity) is saying that climate change deniers and Syria responsibility deniers are the same people, but that they are using the same tactics (cherry picking data, sources etc.)

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Re: Re:

Here is the French report:
http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/170425_-_evaluation_nationale_-_anglais_-_final_cle0dbf47-1.pdf

Python, stop believing RT. It is a propaganda project. If you speak Russian you should know this.

@Bustedknuckel
Thanks!

Was it a Navy Pilot you were back in the 80s?

1973-1993..

What kind of planes did you fly?

PM sent. Some get upset here when I 'beat my chest' about what I did for 20 years.

Hauled cargo for a living...?

John Swanson

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Re: Re:

Here is the French report:
http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/170425_-_evaluation_nationale_-_anglais_-_final_cle0dbf47-1.pdf

Python, stop believing RT. It is a propaganda project. If you speak Russian you should know this.

@Bustedknuckel
Thanks!

Was it a Navy Pilot you were back in the 80s?

1973-1993..

What kind of planes did you fly?

PM sent. Some get upset here when I 'beat my chest' about what I did for 20 years.

Hauled cargo for a living...?

John Swanson

Not exactly unless you define 'cargo' as the type that gets dropped or shot.

"Blow up what's down, shoot down what's up"

Flew USN fighters but now python and bluto will get all sweated up. :lol: