World Politics

[Anonymous]

Ding. Ding. Ding. We have a winner. These so called conservatives are quick to claim they believe in the free market, but they cannot seem to wrap their heads around the realites of business.

There are any number of red states that would not mind a few billion dollars being spent in their state to build a nuclear power plant. Aside from high paying jobs at the plant itself, the lower electricity costs would stimulate the local economy and lead to more jobs. Many natural gas burning plants have been built. No nuclear ones. It is simply not economical to build nuclear power plants in the U.S. Force coal and natural gas to pay for the pollution they add to the environment and the economics will change.

Jeebus, I've been lied to again. In Cali, CARB and SCAQMD have been on the bandwagon for a decade or more declaring that natural gas was emission-free. Hell, even T. Boone Pickens has abandon wind in favor of natural gas.

Damn, I don't know what to believe anymore.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Welfare, welfare, welfare. I thought your market theory was that business didn't need gubment welfare?

Jeez TFF you really haven't been paying attention. The conservative theory is that poor folk don't need welfare or health insurance for that matter. Gubmint welfare for corporations is fine however because eventually some of it will reach those poor folk, if they are still alive.

 

[Bala Verde]

Welfare, welfare, welfare. I thought your market theory was that business didn't need gubment welfare?

The solution must be deregulation then. Gubment is making these poor companies go through lengthy administrative processes, get certifications and meet all these environmental-left-wing nilly-willy safety standards. Costs money and time and resources and effort.

(not socialist/communist now, because they weren't so keen on safety standards either)

Next thing any small business owner can open his vat of enriched uranium to provide electricity for the neighborhood. Why not deregulate so much that real American entrepreneurs (French word) can buy it on the market on ebay, offered by shady groups of Uranians erm Iranians or North Kuranians, erm North Koreans.

 

[Cobblestones]

Oh, and this little nugget: " First is the design certification process, second is provision for early site permits (ESPs) and third is the combined construction and operating licence (COL) process. All have some costs shared by the DOE."

DOE = Department of Energy

Welfare, welfare, welfare. I thought your market theory was that business didn't need gubment welfare?

Oh, and you read the chart wrong, those plants don't exist on anything but paper...and even then, one is delayed, and the other isn't through COL process. Dang.

And there's Price Anderson. More welfare. I argued a few (hundred) pages ago that the market killed nuclear power. Too lazy to find the pages.

Piketon is a tiny town close to where I live. It has an enrichment plant at the moment. The part of the State is dirt poor, very rural, Appalachian. Less likely to have NIMBY issues. Still, without subsidies, no nuclear power plant would be built anywhere in the US. Everywhere they have a large % of nuclear power (France, Sweden, Germany, Japan etc.), huge government
subsidies were involved.

Small government/reduced spending and pro-nuclear power are incompatible viewpoints.

 

[BroDeal]

Jeebus, I've been lied to again. In Cali, CARB and SCAQMD have been on the bandwagon for a decade or more declaring that natural gas was emission-free. Hell, even T. Boone Pickens has abandon wind in favor of natural gas.

Damn, I don't know what to believe anymore.

How do you think natural gas is extracted from the ground? You don't simply drill a hole and out comes pure CH4.

 

[Anonymous]

Some things we learned today:

-Conservatives are tired of giving 'that boy' time to get his policies going.
-If Bush had got a third term, we would be in much better shape than we are.
-Bush probably gave money to some energy buds to complete a nucular plant or two over the next 10 or more years.
-Nancy Pelosi needs a teleprompter with instructions on how often to lead the clapping.
-Ravens hasn't figured out how to arrange the number of posts on a page in his preferences.

-It's eveyone else's fault.
-Capitalism is evil.
-Republicans are evil.
-Conservatives are evil.
-Consevatives ignore market realities.
-Bark-Humpers are of no consequence.

 

[Bala Verde]

-It's eveyone else's fault.
-Capitalism is evil.
-Republicans are evil.
-Conservatives are evil.
-Consevatives ignore market realities.
-Bark-Humpers are of no consequence.

Regardless of all the political discordance here, I am wondering what would happen if we met, face to face, while enjoying a beer/wine/club soda/green tea/soymilk/tia maria/bailey's...? Preferably with a good race on tv, in the background.

(sorry scott, for bringing up beer

 

[Anonymous]

And there's Price Anderson. More welfare. I argued a few (hundred) pages ago that the market killed nuclear power. Too lazy to find the pages.

Piketon is a tiny town close to where I live. It has an enrichment plant at the moment. The part of the State is dirt poor, very rural, Appalachian. Less likely to have NIMBY issues. Still, without subsidies, no nuclear power plant would be built anywhere in the US. Everywhere they have a large % of nuclear power (France, Sweden, Germany, Japan etc.), huge government
subsidies were involved.

Small government/reduced spending and pro-nuclear power are incompatible viewpoints.

So is big govt and prosperity.

 

[Anonymous]

Regardless of all the political discordance here, I am wondering what would happen if we met, face to face, while enjoying a beer/wine/club soda/green tea/soymilk/tia maria/bailey's...? Preferably with a good race on tv, in the background.

(sorry scott, for bringing up beer

We'd get along famously. I don't hang around anyone who thinks the way I do politically speaking. Freakish to be sure.

 

[Ferdinand Artichoke]

Joke

What is it called when there is a negro in the White House?

An ObamaNation in the eyes of tha Lord!



this isn't racist is it?

 

[Anonymous]

We'd get along famously. I don't hang around anyone who thinks the way I do politically speaking. Freakish to be sure.

Yea, me either. WTF is up with that? I guess we both like to be the fly in the ointment...

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Yes, for the most part the market did kill nuclear power, but that has a lot to do with the fact we believe the market should dictate all, even if it involves no foresight, and the "get rich now then get out" thinking is the way to go. Furthermore, you have to be kidding me if you don't think there's been collusion and corruption between the oil industry, the auto industry, and the federal government over the last few decades. Certainly much more than what collusion there was between the nuclear industry and government.

What I'm saying is if you're going to "invest" in such a change for the better of the country, moving to electricity over oil is going to benefit us tremendously as a nation, be that nuclear, solar, wind, or even coal in the short-mid term. It's cleaner, can be produced locally, and doesn't involve the necessity of paying zillions of dollars to dictatorships and fundamentalist countries that have many of people who would like to blow our country up, and the more of our money they have to them the better.

Of course, I have to question if that is collusion or corruption anymore, thanks the the Supreme Court's ruling that corporations are equal to individuals when it comes to liberties, and money doesn't really influence politicians.

 

[Anonymous]

Here is the irony of your point, it wasn't until the Bush administration gave energy companies government welfare (actually read what you posted), that they decided to move forward. "Catsup is a vegetable you hungry, breeding little mongrel dog"...oh, the Chariman of Duke Energy is on the phone and wants some gubment welfare, well by all means, put the call through...

So by definition tax incentives = welfare? So, I pay taxes, my taxes get lowered for whatever reason and now I'm a welfare recipient? So my income really is the govt's money. Dang.

 

[Anonymous]

Yea, me either. WTF is up with that? I guess we both like to be the fly in the ointment...

I, literally, cannot talk politics with my friends (or wife). That's why I waste so much time here.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I, literally, cannot talk politics with my friends (or wife). That's why I waste so much time here.

I bet you stubbornly cling to the notion that they are all wrong and you are the only one that is right.

 

[Anonymous]

I bet you stubbornly cling to the notion that they are all wrong and you are the only one that is right.

I alternate between, "I'm a man without a Country" and "I must be crazy cuz nobody thinks like I do".

 

[fatandfast]

I, literally, cannot talk politics with my friends (or wife). That's why I waste so much time here.

Scott, if you like the taste of beer, sushi,mexican food,you love your wife,ice cream,bike racing you got that going for you.Keep your relationship with the Dali Lama. You will have to watch Caddy Shack for the exact quote but I'm close

 

[usedtobefast]

Generally the Supreme Court doesn't sell us out as badly as they did this time, criticism of that decision is warranted.

it amazes me they did it. the flood gates are open unless congress can find a work around. truly one of the worst decisions ever made in u.s. history.

 

[Bala Verde]

We'd get along famously. I don't hang around anyone who thinks the way I do politically speaking. Freakish to be sure.

Yea, me either. WTF is up with that? I guess we both like to be the fly in the ointment...

Maybe you guys oughta swap counties/residency?

Scott, NC is a beautiful state, and if you avoid the Triangle (I think Chapel Hill just elected a gay mayor), lots of deer and small business owners. NC is also one of the original 13 colonies, so that would give it some historic cachet. Guns are for free with a packet of chewing gum

TFF, I heard they serve a good fair trade liberal latte in Cali. They produce nice refined wine, have liberal schools (Berkeley?) and a good public (according to Scott, costly) educational system... Heck, they even have a foreigner for gubner

A match made in heaven hehe

 

[Anonymous]

So by definition tax incentives = welfare? So, I pay taxes, my taxes get lowered for whatever reason and now I'm a welfare recipient? So my income really is the govt's money. Dang.

When under a different circumstance, another would have to shoulder the burden of the tax, yes. But past that, shouldering the burden of the regulatory process by the DOE is using my money, and that is a redistribution of wealth by any definition.

 

[Anonymous]

Maybe you guys oughta swap counties/residency?

Scott, NC is a beautiful state, and if you avoid the Triangle (I think Chapel Hill just elected a gay mayor), lots of deer and small business owners. NC is also one of the original 13 colonies, so that would give it some historic cachet. Guns are for free with a packet of chewing gum

TFF, I heard they serve a good fair trade liberal latte in Cali. They produce nice refined wine, have liberal schools (Berkeley?) and a good public (according to Scott, costly) educational system... Heck, they even have a foreigner for gubner

A match made in heaven hehe

Well, my inlaws own a vinyard near Nevada City and want my wife and I to go take it over in a few years so they can move to Mexico permanently, that has a decent chance of happening.

 

[Anonymous]

Maybe you guys oughta swap counties/residency?

Scott, NC is a beautiful state, and if you avoid the Triangle (I think Chapel Hill just elected a gay mayor), lots of deer and small business owners. NC is also one of the original 13 colonies, so that would give it some historic cachet. Guns are for free with a packet of chewing gum

TFF, I heard they serve a good fair trade liberal latte in Cali. They produce nice refined wine, have liberal schools (Berkeley?) and a good public (according to Scott, costly) educational system... Heck, they even have a foreigner for gubner

A match made in heaven hehe

I'd have to see a picture of TFF's wife before I commit to anything.


Edit: OH, we take our wives WITH us... my mistake.

 

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Regardless of all the political discordance here, I am wondering what would happen if we met, face to face, while enjoying a beer/wine/club soda/green tea/soymilk/tia maria/bailey's...? Preferably with a good race on tv, in the background.

(sorry scott, for bringing up beer

My bro-in-law is a Limbaugh head. He has a mullet, yet we get along pretty well.

My favorite is the family sight seeing trip. Me driving, him in passenger seat...

"What we need to do is be more assertive with the world. Lead with an iron fist." - mullet bro

"That's dangerous." - me

"No it's not." - mullet bro

"Yes it is." - me

Silence for a few miles.

 

[scribe]

My bro-in-law is a Limbaugh head. He has a mullet, yet we get along pretty well.

My favorite is the family sight seeing trip. Me driving, him in passenger seat...

"What we need to do is be more assertive with the world. Lead with an iron fist." - mullet bro

"That's dangerous." - me

"No it's not." - mullet bro

"Yes it is." - me

Silence for a few miles.

LOL. That's the pattern of message boards playing out in real life.

 

[usedtobefast]

so 15 pages in are we going for a group hug? you guys are creeping me out

i remember going to San Onofre Nuclear Power Plant on a field trip back in
high school. i was pretty stoked at that time as it seemed like the coolest
technology going. when we got there,all we saw was the visitor's center.
it was the lamest of lame crap for me. it opened my eyes to the safety issue.
it is said that they can be much safer now, maybe so. the big issue is where
do you put the waste? until that is addressed, count me out, as good as it could be.
Bush...here's a guy with an MBA from Yale, and he can not even correctly
pronounce 'nuclear'. he made it a 3 syllable word. he used ot make me cringe. i remember he just looked too much like Alfred E Newman, and i felt his
"election" was a bad thing. yeah Obama has a big mess to clean up.
8 years of very bad government is hard to fix in a year. with regards to using
a teleprompter, who cares? i use one when i can. it is just a great tool, if you
have to remember words for any reason. hey it's beer/bong thirty...