World Politics

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Perhaps there were a few who had a much better solution. But those were the few, and the politicians couldn't risk going with what was not accepted wisdom.

Corrected for you:
By all means there were a few who had a much better solution. But those were the few, and the politicians couldn't go with what was not accepted wisdom by their owners.

The politic puppets didn´t crasp anything what they did. There were interviews with german politicans who could not tell the reporter what they were signing and voting for. Literally. Yet 90+ North-Korea like percent voted for the banksters help, and against the people. So much about our freedom and democracy...

 

[rhubroma]

The one playing games is Russia. Remember when Yanukovic won his election?

There were no US tanks on the border. No pro western armed "activists" occupying buildings, no threats. Yanokovic just said they didn't want to join NATO, and that was it. Everyone accepted it.

Russia is still stuck in a great power mentality, and it's smaller neighbors have to seek Protection from them by joining NATO and coseying up to the US.

Putin has repeatedly said the greatest tragedy in the 20th century was the disillusion of the USSR. He means it, and is doing as much as possible to correct this tragedy.

As far as Putin goes, I'm all too aware of this.

That the elections in Ukraine are poblematical has been a foregone conclusion, though what I wonder is how much the "non presense" of US tanks on the border has anything to do with it.

We should be also wondering how much Putin's mantra is counterbalanced by an alternative fiasco.

Let me repeat I don't condone either "imperialism," but simply hope for a new order, however unlikely. Darkness thrives, darkness is what keeps us vigilant.

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

while the same action on the other side

Not the same action.
I thought the same thing as you, until I saw the facts.

 

[python]

vlad is still talking at his world-wide pr show...


some answers were interesting, some significant, some disingenuous...

to me the sensational was, as we all knew anyway, his admission for the 1st time that the 'russian special forces stood behind the local forces'. there were no follow up questions if vlad vladovich, how should i put it to avoid a ban, misrepresented the obvious reality at the time. still amazed, why would he admit this now, when similar questions are raised about south-eastern ukraine

ed snowden showed his face too and asked if there was a total surveillance similar to the country he ran from ? vlad, rather seriously, said 'we are a civil society of laws and can't implement such total plans even if we wanted to b/c......we dont have as much money as america'

of the many questions on the ukrainian crisis only 2 jumped at me: he said russia may not recognize the ukrainian govt even after 24 may election. i guess, his conditions are related to the treatment of s-e ukrainians...

and that he gave ukraine 1 month from today to pre-pay a month's supply in advance or face a shut-off valve. a clear signal to the eu - find the med for your sick client or face the gas war as winter approaches. i think he's fair in this regard.

 

[ToreBear]

Don't have time to reply to any previous responses.

I just wanted to say that unless I've been totally spellbound by the charm of Foreign minister Lavrov(and his diplo speak), it looks like we are heading towards a deescalation.

To put it bluntly, It seems like the Russians just gave in to the pressure. I don't know why. Perhaps time will tell.

Or it could be a trick and the invasion is coming tomorrow. It's kinda hard to tell if the Russians are speaking the truth these days.

 

[blutto]

....just in case anyone in these here parts thinks the Ukrainian situation is a white hats, black hats scenario here is an article that gives a bit of critical context to the issue...

http://www.alternet.org/world/americas-coup-machine-destroying-democracy-1953?page=0,0&paging=off

...many critical bits but here is a biggie...

".....If you're looking for historical context for what you are reading or watching on TV about the coup in Ukraine, Killing Hope will provide it. The title has never been more apt as we watch the hopes of people from all regions of Ukraine being sacrificed on the same altar as those of people in Iran (1953); Guatemala(1954); Thailand (1957); Laos (1958-60); the Congo (1960); Turkey (1960, 1971 & 1980); Ecuador (1961 & 1963); South Vietnam (1963); Brazil (1964); the Dominican Republic (1963); Argentina (1963); Honduras (1963 & 2009); Iraq (1963 & 2003); Bolivia (1964, 1971 & 1980); Indonesia (1965); Ghana (1966); Greece (1967); Panama (1968 & 1989); Cambodia (1970); Chile (1973); Bangladesh (1975); ****stan (1977); Grenada (1983); Mauritania (1984); Guinea (1984); Burkina Faso (1987); Paraguay (1989); Haiti (1991 & 2004); Russia (1993); Uganda (1996);and Libya (2011). This list does not include a roughly equal number of failed coups, nor coups in Africa and elsewhere in which a U.S. role is suspected but unproven."

...hope this helps clarify and inform...

Cheers

 

[aphronesis]

An email I received this morning puts it a little more succinctly


The crisis in Eastern Ukraine has a very different character from the myth presented in the “western” media. Here, there are relentless reports that it is the Russian army and Russian tanks that are about to “invade” Ukraine and violate its right to self-determination. In fact, it is the Ukrainian government of neoliberals and fascists that is organising columns of tanks and troops to invade the cities of Eastern and Southern Ukraine. This government was handpicked by US and EU representatives and brought to power by the armed force of the fascist Svoboda and Right Sector militias.

The population of Kharkov, Donetsk, Odessa, plainly do not want these “saviours” to wage an “anti-terrorist” campaign in their cities and villages. The forces of “order” include Right Sector gangs. In collusion with the Kyiv regime, armed forces have launched attacks on leftists in Kharkov and other cities, arrested and detained unarmed demonstrators.

Anti-war activists in Ukraine and in all the imperialist states should work together to build a common struggle against all preparations for war and intervention by Nato and Russia. This should include opposition to all economic sanctions and blackmail, opposition to the build up of Nato and Russian military forces and, above all, for an end to the military occupation of Eastern Ukraine by the regular and paramilitary forces of the Kyiv junta.

 

[Cobblestones]

...at which point the Norwegian police surely would apprehend him (Barth Eide has plans to rise in the UN system).

Yes I'm sure Barth Eide would influence any properly filed extradition request, and no doubt has the police ready to do his bidding in order to further his own ambitions.

Oh, wait, he can't! We're not some country with elected prosecutors and politically appointed judges like those banana republics and the... US....

Remember that conversation on Snowden from last summer? I guess I was wrong about Barth Eide and the UN, it was all about Stoltenberg becoming the next NATO poodle.

Now, what do you think about Carl Bildt? He's been yapping on and on about Ukraine, even more so than clueless Foghorn Rasmussen. What job is he after? A peace laureate's as$wipe?

 

[python]

2 important events in the ukrainian saga happened yesterday almost concurrently...one, the supposedly de-escalating geneva road map and two, definitely escalating by the ukrainian authorities...

since i could not find this event, the jewel of democratic expression, in any single main street media in the west, i felt compelled to mention it here - the english-based cycling forum

specifically, the putsch govt introduced a total and absolute prohibition valid immediately for any male aged 16 to 60 entering ukraine from its northern neighbour.

i cant tell... was that the sign of frightened paranoia typical of most revolutions or a sign of the regime's weakness or one of the measures suggested by the cia chief when he visited kiev 4 days ago..

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

I don't know what you call MSM, but I read it in the Financial times...

 

[blutto]

I don't know what you call MSM, but I read it in the Financial times...

....interesting question....financial media, while they do fall under the broad rubric of Major $hitty Media, are actually a more informative read because they do often have to deal in cold hard facts, which as we all know have a decidedly liberal bias...so if you are good at interpretation, the financial sections of the MSM are quite good...for instance, when the Ukrainian crisis first began, the financial papers were full of stories about how this crisis would radically change the energy business in North America by providing pressure to change hitherto set in stone rules defining export of gas and expand the infrastructure to ship gas overseas ( and of course move the fracking industry into The Ukraine...so in essence they were the only part of the MSM that was speaking candidly about a big part of the Realpolitick rationale behind the crisis, read money,big money and not democracy which "oddly" was never mentioned or even hinted at...)

....and in a related MSM story....a recent Putin press conference gave the Western MSM an opportunity to crow about Putin supposedly showing his real hand vis-a vis the Crimea referendum...they have made great hay about Putin saying Russian troops "standing behind" the pro-Russian elements in Crimea prior to the referendum... what I found interesting is that word was part of a translation which a major fudge factor, and as a friend pointed out, if a strong Russian involvement was in fact acknowledged by Putin it should have maybe been something more along the lines of "standing beside " or "standing in front of " ....

...so if there is anyone reading this post who is fluent in Russian, especially colloquial nuance, and has an I.Q. above 70, and wants to speak to the MSM interpretation it would help bring clarity to this turn of a phrase ( because frankly I don't much trust the MSM on this )...thank you in advance...

Cheers

 

[blutto]

....Mr. Velocity posted this on the US Politics thread but it has relevance here as it may really put the white hat black hat narrative supposedly being played out in The Ukraine into a truer respective, that is, at its root it is simply a money grab...

....from the article...

"A new study from Princeton spells bad news for American democracy—namely, that it no longer exists.

Asking "[w]ho really rules?" researchers Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page argue that over the past few decades America's political system has slowly transformed from a democracy into an oligarchy, where wealthy elites wield most power."

...so no white black hat b$, just competing oligarchs fighting over just more stuff...though the cynic in me says that this situation has actually always been the case but has only come into the spotlight lately because the populace is more informed ( yup you read that right,more informed )

....the article..

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/princeton-experts-say-us-no-longer-democracy

Cheers

 

[RetroActive]

....just in case anyone in these here parts thinks the Ukrainian situation is a white hats, black hats scenario here is an article that gives a bit of critical context to the issue...

http://www.alternet.org/world/americas-coup-machine-destroying-democracy-1953?page=0,0&paging=off

...many critical bits but here is a biggie...

".....If you're looking for historical context for what you are reading or watching on TV about the coup in Ukraine, Killing Hope will provide it. The title has never been more apt as we watch the hopes of people from all regions of Ukraine being sacrificed on the same altar as those of people in Iran (1953); Guatemala(1954); Thailand (1957); Laos (1958-60); the Congo (1960); Turkey (1960, 1971 & 1980); Ecuador (1961 & 1963); South Vietnam (1963); Brazil (1964); the Dominican Republic (1963); Argentina (1963); Honduras (1963 & 2009); Iraq (1963 & 2003); Bolivia (1964, 1971 & 1980); Indonesia (1965); Ghana (1966); Greece (1967); Panama (1968 & 1989); Cambodia (1970); Chile (1973); Bangladesh (1975); ****stan (1977); Grenada (1983); Mauritania (1984); Guinea (1984); Burkina Faso (1987); Paraguay (1989); Haiti (1991 & 2004); Russia (1993); Uganda (1996);and Libya (2011). This list does not include a roughly equal number of failed coups, nor coups in Africa and elsewhere in which a U.S. role is suspected but unproven."

...hope this helps clarify and inform...

Cheers

I circulated that article around, good stuff. In a similar vein, the masters of the great game:

Britain has invaded all but 22 countries in the world in its long and colourful history, new research has found.
http://worldobserveronline.com/2012...bourg/?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral

In more immediate news:
Obama: Russia doesn’t want ‘any kind of military confrontation with us’
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...t-any-kind-of-military-confrontation-with-us/

Obama gots the swagger...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27qdB1D0s9M

...but don't worry...
Six CF-18s headed to Europe to bolster NATO forces response to Ukraine
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/canadian-press-newsalert-cda-sends-jets-poland-nato-160229143.html

Now that should give Putin cold sweats.

I'm not a fan of any of this **** but how pathetic is this...still...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S74zf0YZX20

Oh sovereignty!

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

though the cynic in me says that this situation has actually always been the case but has only come into the spotlight lately because the populace is more informed ( yup you read that right,more informed )
Cheers

Yop. More informed (if one takes his time) b/c of the internet. Just a matter of time until it´s shut down (the critical sites I mean; McDonalds and other commerce $h.it will always be available).

True, always been like this. But it got worse in the past decades, not only in the USA.
I remember in the 80s a CEO earned 20 times of a normal worker. Now it´s 400 times more. Why? B/C the rich get richer (in those cases the big corps shareholders who pay their CEOs), Why do they got richer? B/C of the interest that lies in the Fiat money system, and b/c of the capitalism system itself. Companies exist for profit reasons only. Who pays the profits? The debitors... It´s all a complete phuck...

 

[python]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014...3H0OQ20140418?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

^^ a surprisingly sober analytical article from a major western news sources - the reuters.

the authors step by step show how a remarkably positive real cooperation starting 2001 was squandered by the us due to treating russia’s vital interests (communicated by them clearly and repeatedly) as secondary in american calculations…

several prominent oficials responsible for shaping up the us-russia foreign policy at the time (ambassador james collins/ bush jr’s main russia expert thomas graham/ ambassador matlock) pointed how yielding to mc cain and cheney hawks was a mistake resulting in the current ukrainian crisis.

real red line has always been Ukraine," Matlock said. "When you begin to poke them in the most sensitive area, unnecessarily, about their security, you are going to get a reaction that makes them a lot less cooperative."

 

[blutto]

I'm not a fan of any of this **** but how pathetic is this...still...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S74zf0YZX20

Oh sovereignty!

...nice post...especially liked the one above...an amazing piece of engineering from the team that apparently played the major part in putting America on the moon...

Cheers

 

[python]

http://www.dw.de/inside-the-donetsk-peoples-republic/a-17577828?maca=en-rss-en-world-4025-rdf

here's another balanced article from a major news caster in europe - the deutsche welle.

i don't know how fair and accurate is the material - i'll leave it up to the german authors research - but it seams clear to me the general tone of the ukrainian crisis assessment, at least some parts of europe, has become more realistic and balanced, compared to the downright falsifications and one-sidedness it once was...

 

[RetroActive]

Report indicates that US aligned regimes are preparing for war
http://rt.com/op-edge/sipri-report-us-defense-costs-392/

As US aligned states across the globe stockpile weapons, it looks like this trend of violence by Wall Street and its allies is not going away. They may be preparing for a much larger all-out war to keep control of the world, as their economic system grinds to a halt, and the countries seeking independent development continue to prosper.

Not really news though.

 

[RetroActive]

Cold War 2.0 and the Threat of Nuclear Warfare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9toBsAGjV0&list=UU7TvL4GlQyMBLlUsTrN_C4Q

 

[blutto]

....so this truce, de-escalation thang kinda sorta sounded like a good development....and really who in his right mind would think otherwise ? ...hmmm....well, guess what ?....someone apparently thought it was a bad idea....

" Three pro-Russian militants and at least one other person were killed in a gunbattle near the volatile eastern Ukrainian town of Slavyansk early on Sunday, a local leader told journalists.

Vyatcheslav Ponomarev said the battle broke out at a barricade put up in a village east of Slavyansk, which is under the control of pro-Russian militants.

The state-run Rossiya 24 news station, citing its correspondent in Slavyansk, said two "attackers" were killed, in a total death toll of five.

Ukraine's interior ministry in Kiev could not immediately be reached for comment and interior minister Arsen Avakov had no word of the reported incident on his Facebook page, where he usually posts updates on any clashes.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/20/deadly-ukraine-gunbattle-threatens-fragile-easter-truce



Six people have been reportedly killed in a gunfight in Slavyansk, a city in eastern Ukraine held by anti-government protesters. The fatalities include four protesters and two attackers, who are believed to be from the Right Sector paramilitary.

The deaths came after a night attack on a protester checkpoint on the outskirts of the city, Rossiya 24 reported. Four cars drove by the checkpoint and opened fire at local residents manning it, killing three people and seriously injuring several others.

One gunshot victim died later in hospital from a head wound, local medics said. Two others are undergoing treatment.

The checkpoint was in the control of 26 civilians armed with bats. Their lack of firearms was due to a so-called “Easter truce” announced by both the Kiev authorities and the protest leaders to de-escalate tension.

http://rt.com/news/slavyansk-checkpoint-shooting-killed-640/ "

...correct me if I'm wrong but the last time an agreement was reached to settle things down the self same group went ape$hit....don't want to jump to conclusions but there seems to a method to this madness...not necessarily a good method for all those affected but a method none-the-less....

Cheers

 

[RetroActive]

The Secret of the Seven Sisters - Special series
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSX6DMnFBDI

An interesting 4 part series on the geopolitics of oil.

 

[RetroActive]

The Elite, the ‘Great Game’ and World War III
This article was originally published in June 2011

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-elite-the-great-game-and-world-war-iii/25160

As remarked by the Indian career diplomat M.K. Bhadrakumar: “The time is not far off before they begin to sense that ‘the war on terror’ is providing a convenient rubric under which the US is incrementally securing for itself a permanent abode in the highlands of Hindu Kush, the Pamirs, Central Asian steppes and the Caucasus that form the strategic hub overlooking Russia, China, India and Iran.” The scene for a great war involving the great powers of the time – US, Russia and China – is now set, by design of the elite. It is just a matter of time.

Good for some perspective.
p.s. RIP Mike Ruppert.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

The Elite, the ‘Great Game’ and World War III
This article was originally published in June 2011

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-elite-the-great-game-and-world-war-iii/25160



Good for some perspective.
p.s. RIP Mike Ruppert.

From the article:

"...the US might face a serious challenge from a coalition of China, Russia and Iran and must do whatever it can to prevent such a coalition from forming."

I always thought these (& other) countries need ICBMs. Not b/c I like them, but to held the US imperialists in check. Without it, you are pretty much helpless (see all the putsches in South-America/Middle-America, Iraq and others).

In a more bigger picture, we arrived where we belonged: the Rothschilds and chums (see my post from a few days ago).

For us that is no news, but certainly important for naives like "Buffalo Soldier", "ToreBear", and "VonMises", etc.

Finally this thread should merge with the "Operation.. Creation" thread, as they interact with world politics.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Nothing against "Buffalo soldier". He at least thinks a little further, but comes to wrong conclusions: That a so-called world government would be good.
That´s the worst outcome of all. Total control and enslaving by one doctrine... Comes close to a robot world like in the movie "Invasion of the Body Snatchers".

 

[RetroActive]

From the article:

"...the US might face a serious challenge from a coalition of China, Russia and Iran and must do whatever it can to prevent such a coalition from forming."

I always thought these (& other) countries need ICBMs. Not b/c I like them, but to held the US imperialists in check. Without it, you are pretty much helpless (see all the putsches in South-America/Middle-America, Iraq and others).

In a more bigger picture, we arrived where we belonged: the Rothschilds and chums (see my post from a few days ago).

For us that is no news, but certainly important for naives like "Buffalo Soldier", "ToreBear", and "VonMises", etc.

Finally this thread should merge with the "Operation.. Creation" thread, as they interact with world politics.

It all kinda comes together, including religion or at least esoteric philosophy, but it's difficult to make coherent as everything relates to everything else, is a spectrum and is constantly changing obviously. It's all interesting though, among many other things.

Here Come The Boots On The Ground: US Troops Heading To Eastern Europe
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-22/here-come-boots-ground-us-troops-heading-eastern-europe

hmmm...