World Politics

[FoxxyBrown1111]

It all kinda comes together, including religion or at least esoteric philosophy

Not really, unless you gave up on the material world (either b/c you can´t afford it anymore, or you gave up on it b/c you got bored with being too rich. Buying new gadgets, yachts, and you basically phucked every available pu$$y that came your way, just didn´t gave the final kick anymore. Yes this happened a few times).
Then people are forced by free will (or not) into a more esoteric world.

The wrong with the current system we live in, is that most people can´t afford the sweets that come with a little money...
So honestly I feel very happy when one of the creedy rich psychos leaves (like this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Merckle or Thatcher, the biggest $lut of the Friedman boys GB saw until she hit the scene), even tough a new rich sucker is born every day. Evolution must get rid of these species or the world is doomed. I am eager to know if evolution will find a way...

 

[RetroActive]

Not really, unless you gave up on the material world (either b/c you can´t afford it anymore, or you gave up on it b/c you got bored with being too rich. Buying new gadgets, yachts, and you basically phucked every available pu$$y that came your way, just didn´t gave the final kick anymore. Yes this happened a few times).
Then people are forced by free will (or not) into a more esoteric world.

The wrong with the current system we live in, is that most people can´t afford the sweets that come with a little money...
So honestly I feel very happy when one of the creedy rich psychos leaves (like this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Merckle or Thatcher, the biggest $lut of the Friedman boys GB saw until she hit the scene), even tough a new rich sucker is born every day. Evolution must get rid of these species or the world is doomed. I am eager to know if evolution will find a way...

We'll have to agree to disagree. What if the initiated believe they are more evolved than the profane?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

What you mean?

 

[RetroActive]

What you mean?

I think you're drawing lines where there may not be any. Nevermind, it's best to keep it seperated (the threads).

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

It´s what I said, we shall not mix "esoteric" into politics. So I think we agree...
OTOH, just found some interesting links in the "Operation thread" that pretty well fit in here (politically). Never mind.

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

Maybe you should start reading on the concept of Evolution though, because it doesn't seem you seem to get how it works? (either that, or it was some kind if German humor, which I never seem to get)

To get rid of that species, revolution is a better tool than evolution. But I'm afraid there's no escape to it (which doesn't mean it should't be fought)

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

Nothing against "Buffalo soldier". He at least thinks a little further, but comes to wrong conclusions: That a so-called world government would be good.
That´s the worst outcome of all. Total control and enslaving by one doctrine... Comes close to a robot world like in the movie "Invasion of the Body Snatchers".

I don't say I want a world government, I say that in the reality of ecomomic hyperglobalisation of big companies, the only way to get any way of control is further globalisation of democracy. This will be almost impossible to implement, since it would comprise a decrease of the western wealth (which doesn't coincide with well-being of course, but try to explain that in a way 'the common people' get it), but it is the only option I see to prevent a further narrowing of the power circle, and widening of the inequality gap.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

... is further globalisation of democracy.

Which one? We have none (anymore)... Ok, maybe Switzerland a little, and some small countries I just can´t remember for now.

 

[Echoes]

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

Which one? We have none (anymore)... Ok, maybe Switzerland a little, and some small countries I just can´t remember for now.

Oh, but I fully agree. Democracy is as empty as a concept as liberalism or socialism.
I see scope in the digital civil society and open source thinking to create a new generation of representative global politics.

 

[python]

we often hear how the us natural gas will save europe and ukraine from the yoke of putin...

here's an article with curious cold facts from a professional in the business.

LNG Won't Save Europe
http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/lng-wont-save-europe-10323

At current domestic natural gas prices, LNG delivered to Europe would require a price of over $9 per thousand cubic feet (Mcf) to offset liquefaction and transportation costs. Russian gas is produced for fifty cents per Mcf...

 

[ToreBear]

please do not report me if i call this post nonsense.

you try to present yourself as educated on the matters at hand, yet showing elementary ignorance that the us cant have its tanks on the ukrainian border having all and every nato rule and regulation in mind. ukraine is not a nato member. if you are ignorant of the elementary fact, then pls stop pretending you know. if you knew, yet tried to push a cheap rhetorical point, than your argument was crap from the start and you knew it.

having in mind your geographical ignorance, or perhaps intentional pretence, you need to learn that the us is not bordering ukraine and that russian is the the language and the culture of about one half of the torn apart country,

again, not knowing the simple facts is either stupid or, forgive me telling it to your face, an intentianal trolling on the sensitive matter.

He, us geographically challenged look at the map and see Poland to the left of Ukraine and Romania down left of Ukraine. Both NATO members. I don't know what you think NATO rules are, but if there was any problem, I don't see why the US bases in Romania couldn't have been used.

The Friedman boys who work for the big shareholder companies who are owned (in majority) by a few multinational investment management corporations and private banks (in majority) who are owned by super rich individual psychopaths... Soon we´ll end up with the Rothschilds and chums. They laugh about us all, how morons march into war against each other to feed their never ending greed.

Hmm, then I think you might find this article about the Word Bank "wistleblower" interesting:
http://www.interpretermag.com/karen...eves-world-bank-controlled-by-second-species/

Remember that conversation on Snowden from last summer? I guess I was wrong about Barth Eide and the UN, it was all about Stoltenberg becoming the next NATO poodle.

Well he wasn't apprehended in Norway, so Stoltenberg wouldn't have gained any brownie points for something that didn't happen. And we still have the problem that Norway still isn't a banana republic where the Prime Minister has unlimited power.

Also the one most eager to put Stoltenberg in that Job was Merkel, who was officially at least, very unhappy about the NSA phonetapping.

Now, what do you think about Carl Bildt? He's been yapping on and on about Ukraine, even more so than clueless Foghorn Rasmussen. What job is he after? A peace laureate's as$wipe?

Bildt has been quite open since he became FM. I like it. It gives a little insight into what he is thinking. Sweden and Russia have a long shared history, and the Swedes are are not shy about telling Russia where to stuff it. It probably also helps that they don't have any border with Russia as well.

As for jobs, people who are vocal and often straight talking like Bildt might have rubbed someone with a long memory the wrong way one time or another.

And I believe both he and Rasmussen are quite knowledgeable about the situation. They have to be since it's their jobs.

 

[ToreBear]

Don't have time to reply to any previous responses.

I just wanted to say that unless I've been totally spellbound by the charm of Foreign minister Lavrov(and his diplo speak), it looks like we are heading towards a deescalation.

To put it bluntly, It seems like the Russians just gave in to the pressure. I don't know why. Perhaps time will tell.

Or it could be a trick and the invasion is coming tomorrow. It's kinda hard to tell if the Russians are speaking the truth these days.

It was just yesterday one could be sure about Putin not necessarily willing to abide to the Geneva agreement.

The expansion of trouble spots seemed to stop over the weekend, but the raids in Kramatorsk on Monday(IIRC), seemed like a bit of an escalation. Yesterdays assault on the Military base in Artemivs'ke was a serious escalation, and Putins reaction to the Ukrainians trying to take back control of Slaviansk was a clear violation of the agreement.

It's hard with the Russians. They like to talk tough a lot, but that could also be a way to extricate themselves from their previous positions without loosing face in their internal propaganda machine. It's kind of hard to take anything they say or sign seriously anymore.

As for the Facism, the more I look into the matter, the more it looks like the Facists are the Russians in this case.

I haven't seen any indication of the Ukrainian nationalists being against Russian speakers.

Russian nationalists on the other hand look more and more suspect.
Anecdotal evidence from Crimea:
http://imgur.com/a/1FH1W#tBhgsuA

Anecdotal evidence from just outside of Moscow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iDkSKf-8WQ#t=129

And a very interesting article about Moscows connections with the European far right and the situation in Ukraine. Gives a good deal of links for those looking for further information:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...ne-crisis-fascist-ma-2014416145823826439.html


Hope I didn't step on any toes since I might not be able to respond for some time.

 

[BigMac]

According to The Guardian Pyongyang labeled South Korea's president as a ''crafty prositute'' and Obama as a pimp. They also say they're ready for a fully nuclear war.

I really wonder how stupid people can be. These lads look like renegades seeking the world's attention and it seems impossible to understand how serious they are with these childish provocations.

How serious do you think they are?

 

[Bustedknuckle]

According to The Guardian Pyongyang labeled South Korea's president as a ''crafty prostitute'' and Obama as a pimp. They also say they're ready for a fully nuclear war.

I really wonder how stupid people can be. These lads look like renegades seeking the world's attention and it seems impossible to understand how serious they are with these childish provocations.

How serious do you think they are?

Not, and they can be pretty stupid, at least in public..even with all the bluster, North Korea realizes after the first, teeny nuke that goes off somewhere around Seoul, probably just being prepared, that North Korea's ruling hierarchy will disappear. North Korea may have a few nukes, There are hundreds in the South..North Korea, like Iran, would cease to exist..period. The war would be short.

 

[Ferminal]

They aren't childish it's pretty much the basis for their existence. Could also be a puppetmaster ****stirring.

It may appear crazy but that is not to say they don't see the realities of initiating a hot war, it would only ever happen as part of a much larger regional conflict.

Sadly millions of people have to endure dire living circumstances because of those who endorse the status quo (pretty much everyone).

 

[python]

we are again upon watershed developments in ukraine...

so far, i have been relatively accurate predicting several events in Ukraine…will take a chance again:
we are maximum days away from the overt Russian operation in eastern Ukraine - if this morning’s escalation does not subside very soon.

the basis for my hunch:

- moscow officially declaried that the latest offensive ‘killed’ geneva.
- fresh claims by rebels, now supported by officials in the russian foreign office, that some english-speaking military are present among the troops storming Slavyansk
- apparent despair of the ukrainian troops to suppress the rebels asap before the 11 may referendum
- high causalities (2 confirmed copters, 3 according to rebels ), and short time frame force pouring more govt troops

i hope i am wrong….

 

[jens_attacks]

savage crimes today. i think russia might invade ukraine after all

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/ukraine-dead-odessa-building-fire

 

[RetroActive]

savage crimes today. i think russia might invade ukraine after all

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/ukraine-dead-odessa-building-fire

We're going to have a war. Whether it's Syria, or Iran, or the Ukraine, or some other black swan, or a combination of it all - these are the times we live in. I say this with a heavy heart, there appears no way around it.

Exponential is exponential and time collapses to nought.

There can only be one victor in this game of global domination, even if the globe is a smoldering ruin when the victor is crowned. Assuming a victor or anyone else is around to crown them.

http://www.ditext.com/diamond/mistake.html

 

[RetroActive]

“Global Society Destruction” and The Ukraine Crisis: Decoding its Deep Structural Meaning
http://www.globalresearch.ca/global...-decoding-its-deep-structural-meaning/5379275

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

“Global Society Destruction” and The Ukraine Crisis: Decoding its Deep Structural Meaning
http://www.globalresearch.ca/global...-decoding-its-deep-structural-meaning/5379275

"could be a new turning point against the Great Sickness of our world"

Good final word on a good long article, which basically had the same content we all preached here, before all the US lies, destabilizations and actions completely set in.
Hope Putin doesn´t give in. And if messiah Obama, the "peace noble prize" carrier, the puppet of the the rich psychos, thinks the only way to prevail in this another imperialistic foray is to "nuke the bad guys (original Palin)", be it.
Good luck for the Rothschilds & Co. to live in bunkers for the next 10.000 years. They will have enough time to count their then completely worthless debentures called US dollar. They can worship their god once and for all without us disturbing 99%.
We OTOH can look calmly ahead. We have nothing to lose, but a future life in complete enslavement.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

As I understand, the Ukrainian government and its Western backers are eager to prevent the planned for May 11 referendums in eastern Ukraine. The planned for May 25 all-Ukrainian referendum was also canceled. In plain English: the population should have no say in any way. The West and the Kiev putschists know they can not "pacify" eastern Ukraine with the iron fist, thus the spiral of violence and counter-violence will enhance further. And it´s obvious that the US strategists want to escalate the conflict further, thus forcing Russia, sooner or later, to intervene. This will ensure that all plans by the US imperialists will work to perfection (further isolation and destabilization of Russia, splitting the EU/Russia partnership) and their 5 billion USD investement will pay huge dividends: The germans need to get the gas from the US multis, "free markets" will be implemented in Ukraine (I read that US multis have already bid for the shale gas resources in Ukraine), the IMF can expand their debitor market, Monsanto gets the agriculture market, TTIP will be expanded up to the borders of Russia, NATO-military bases will be put onto Ukraine ground, the "defensive" ICBM system grounded on the doorstep of Russia, all together: The US economy is saved on the backs of the poor again.

Now most of us saw all that coming. But for what? Our only "win" is that the fools and MSM believers in this forum* are unmasked (those who believed in a true peoples revolution at Maidan, thought this mess was about freedom & human rights, and called us names. BTW, where are you "Buffalo", "del1962", "toreBear", "VonMises"?)
So the better question is this: If Putin is the great chess player, and OFC knows all this, how will he go out as a winner in front of his citizens, at least saving face? Because if he don´t, Russia will be the next victim (once again) of US implemented Friedman economy. Jelzin area II... Mother Russia phucked forever.

* They are still better off, because they learn something, while the daily newspaper readers still have no clue and never will have. They still think higher taxes and gas prices are needed to support the new won friends in Ukraine (as if we don´t have enough $hit with the non elected EU bureaucracy, ESM, cutting of freedom & rights, and the already EU extension in place)... The fools who are "free" to elect their doomers (& mine. That´s why I hate them) every four years.

 

[hrotha]

BTW, where are you "Buffalo", "del1962", "toreBear", "VonMises"?)

If they're anything like me, they probably left this thread as a lost cause where proper debate was impossible, as you demonstrated just now by gratuitously insulting a number of forumers without batting an eyelid just because they can't help but roll their eyes at your every post.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

If they're anything like me, they probably left this thread as a lost cause where proper debate was impossible, as you demonstrated just now by gratuitously insulting a number of forumers without batting an eyelid just because they can't help but roll their eyes at your every post.

I would love to agree with you here. Problem is those mentioned started the insults (& thus proper discussion) against some posters here long ago. You can call me what you want, but please stay with the facts. Show me a single post (not only this thread but any in this whole forum) where I insulted someone who didn´t me or those I defended before. Thx in advance.

 

[Jeroma11]

Putin is the best