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[Oncearunner8]

Really?

Hey, check the date on these: http://worldradio.ch/wrs/news/wrsnews/us-pledge-help-after-swiss-oil-rig-sinks.shtml?18789
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7105935.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093
http://gantdaily.com/2010/04/23/obama-orders-all-out-effort-for-gulf-of-mexico-oil-spill/
http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com...eral-agencies-to-assist-with-oil-rig-efforts/ (Fox News...on the 22nd of April.....dang)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iRa44SlWkrKOJPnc89FUUYVt2c1wD9F8DN7O0
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/04/22/world/international-uk-explosion-transocean-bp.html
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/291024
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jFEMEcan-6k8RSxCeOo8Lq6KWkig

Want more?

Heck, BP said it was under control. I guess BP was not quite as aware as you suggest (again, check the date): http://www.examiner.com/x-40861-SF-...Gulf-of-Mexico-oil-rig-fears-about-leaks-ease

Care to change your narrative? I doubt it, your side isn't really concerned with honesty. I mean, yea, the Coast Guard guy was stupid, but can you really blame Obama for that? I mean, seems like the people ON SCENE were blowing sunshine up everyone's a$$, and sorry, but you seriously expect the president himself to go down and assess the leak at its source? National media ignored? Really??? I knew about it. Heck I saw pictures.

Here is my guess, nobody knew the exact situation until they could actually get there and assess it properly, and the statements made prior to that were the opinions people had at that time, and stated when asked questions by reporters. It kind of works that way sometimes.

Hey, maybe it was all a big conspiracy to create more green jobs? You leader thinks so.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201004290038

Maybe Obama could go drink it up himself? No, he wont do that because he hates the Gulf coast and oil and birds and fishes and stuff. He wants the economy of the Gulf coast to take a hit. He is evil like that.

I am obviously WAY better at Google than you are, you want some lessons?



Yea, I knew that was where you were going. You guys are still sore that your trained monkey ignored people dying because of Katrina.[/QUOTE]

What is my side?

You full of it if you think the President reacted correctly. HE JUST sent the director of HOMELAND SECURITY today! My comparison between the two administrations are spot on. THEY BOTH failed the people of the Gulf Coast regions! This is not made up so do not try to make into me bashing one side or the other. They both =fail.

The focus of the spill is and has not been correct with the entire media within the USA (imo). These guys have had bigger fish to fry. They want wall street and Arizona on the front page. That is the facts.

Anyone can Google some reports. That is easy. But what about full time focus on coverage and experts? Where has that been?

Maybe you have me confused with some conservative right wing nut. I think my opinion of your argument is something that can not be posted.

The “Coast guard GUY” you refer to was a Woman. That is how much news you have seen on this? WTF you do not even know that the coast guard commander was a woman and that she made a great statement after the vessel sunk that the oil was not leaking and the environmental damage would be minimal.


Your last comment says class like no other! Thanks alot ,,,,, I am still sore that President Bush ignored "MY FAMILY" and friends who did die during the storm. HELL yes I am sore! My *** hurts everytime I think about driving back and forth from Houston to take water/gas etc. during those days!
See for me this is round 2, five years later it is going to set this area and my family back for another 20 years. SO I AM SORE THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA has decided to ignore this for over a week. HELL YEAH I AM SORE .....

 

[Anonymous]

What is my side?

You full of it if you think the President reacted correctly. HE JUST sent the director of HOMELAND SECURITY today! My comparison between the two administrations are spot on. THEY BOTH failed the people of the Gulf Coast regions! This is not made up so do not try to make into me bashing one side or the other. They both =fail.

The focus of the spill is and has not been correct with the entire media within the USA (imo). These guys have had bigger fish to fry. They want wall street and Arizona on the front page. That is the facts.

Anyone can Google some reports. That is easy. But what about full time focus on coverage and experts? Where has that been?

Maybe you have me confused with some conservative right wing nut. I think my opinion of your argument is something that can not be posted.

The “Coast guard GUY” you refer to was a Woman. That is how much news you have seen on this? WTF you do not even know that the coast guard commander was a woman and that she made a great statement after the vessel sunk that the oil was not leaking and the environmental damage would be minimal.


Your last comment says class like no other! Thanks alot ,,,,, I am still sore that President Bush ignored "MY FAMILY" and friends who did die during the storm. HELL yes I am sore! My *** hurts everytime I think about driving back and forth from Houston to take water/gas etc. during those days!
See for me this is round 2, five years later it is going to set this area and my family back for another 20 years. SO I AM SORE THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA has decided to ignore this for over a week. HELL YEAH I AM SORE .....

What is it you think Obama could have done? The Director of Homeland Security? Please detail what they will do differently than is already being done. In fact, since you seem to know exactly what should happen (and considering that BP has had all the resources it can muster to help, and lets face it, they have the equipment), please list for us in detail those things that need to be happening. I am guessing, and call me crazy, but I would say that the Federal government does not have a massive amount of equipment specially designed and dedicated to dealing with an oil spill. BP does, but the Feds, not so much. So unless you are under the impression that Obama, the Coast Guard chick, and Janet Napolitano can poop out the necessary equipment on the spot, I would suggest that they already have all the equipment available there, and have had it all week. From what I hear, the leak is just uncontrollable at this point as is the oil slick that is spreading. But I am just going off of the news reports. I am sure you have some super secret method of oil containment that nobody else knows about, and that even if they did, they wouldn't use because they hate you. Because it is obvious this is a personal attack on you and your family by the Obama administration.

Okay, so the Coast Guard chick said this 5 days ago: http://www.houmatoday.com/article/2...Title=Coast-Guard-Oil-leaking-from-sunken-rig

Again, you can blame the president, but that is just stupid.

 

[Oncearunner8]

What is it you think Obama could have done?

Okay, so the Coast Guard chick said this: http://www.houmatoday.com/article/2...Title=Coast-Guard-Oil-leaking-from-sunken-rig

Again, you can blame the president, but that is just stupid.

Good luck telling people from that region that the State and Federal response to this was adequate. People around the Gulf Coast think that the Federal reaction is slow. Try changing that perception when as you say "my side" piles on with their 24/7 opinions about how the President just made a decision late. I am telling you what "my side" as you say will have the talking heads going crazy today forward.

I think President Obama should have made an effort to get his Homeland Security and Environmental staff down there last week, or at the latest last Weekend. Folks within the Offshore Oil industry were talking about this environmental disaster the day after Horizon sunk. Please ask me how I know this? It is not something I need to google. In fact it is within my Wheelhouse.

 

[Oncearunner8]

What is it you think Obama could have done? The Director of Homeland Security? Please detail what they will do differently than is already being done. In fact, since you seem to know exactly what should happen (and considering that BP has had all the resources it can muster to help, and lets face it, they have the equipment), please list for us in detail those things that need to be happening. I am guessing, and call me crazy, but I would say that the Federal government does not have a massive amount of equipment specially designed and dedicated to dealing with an oil spill. BP does, but the Feds, not so much. So unless you are under the impression that Obama, the Coast Guard chick, and Janet Napolitano can poop out the necessary equipment on the spot, I would suggest that they already have all the equipment available there, and have had it all week. From what I hear, the leak is just uncontrollable at this point as is the oil slick that is spreading. But I am just going off of the news reports. I am sure you have some super secret method of oil containment that nobody else knows about, and that even if they did, they wouldn't use because they hate you. Because it is obvious this is a personal attack on you and your family by the Obama administration.

Okay, so the Coast Guard chick said this 5 days ago: http://www.houmatoday.com/article/2...Title=Coast-Guard-Oil-leaking-from-sunken-rig

Again, you can blame the president, but that is just stupid.

Try this out.
They will need to have crews specifically staged in the barrier islands and costal areas for clean up. Have they mentioned any of that on your NEWS coverage? It is not like they have not had time to get those resources together. They have waited for it to hit the shore before committing any resources. Since they did not send anyone to make an assessment then it becomes clear they did not have anyone trying to make a list of things that will be needed for coastal cleanup.

They Federal government plays a role is all I was trying to say. In this case I think they have failed to do what was necessary at this time.

Either at the first of the week or over the weekend BP requested some help from the Federal government. It was not reported if they received the help or not. You can google it mr. magic fingers. Had something to do with ROV’s. Maybe your expert search can uncover it all.

You think I am somehow attacking President Obama for creating this? You really have a warped view on my personal feelings.

 

[ChrisE]

I don't have anything good to say regarding your commentary, so I will not comment myself.

Just an observation. The first sentence contains an insult or what is also know as a personal attack.

You were previously criticising personal attacks directed at you.

Carry on.

Sorry, I was just asking a question. I know when you get questioned you take it as an insult since you know everything.

"Brank of rogues" is what he wrote. A brank is something you put on a woman's head/mouth when they "act up".

So, does he mean a "brank of rogues" is a bunch of rogues being stuck in a woman's mouth? Depends on who the woman is.....if that woman is similar to my avatar then I will be a rogue for a day, or more.

 

[Anonymous]

Try this out.
They will need to have crews specifically staged in the barrier islands and costal areas for clean up. Have they mentioned any of that on your NEWS coverage? It is not like they have not had time to get those resources together. They have waited for it to hit the shore before committing any resources. Since they did not send anyone to make an assessment then it becomes clear they did not have anyone trying to make a list of things that will be needed for coastal cleanup.

They Federal government plays a role is all I was trying to say. In this case I think they have failed to do what was necessary at this time.

Either at the first of the week or over the weekend BP requested some help from the Federal government. It was not reported if they received the help or not. You can google it mr. magic fingers. Had something to do with ROV’s. Maybe your expert search can uncover it all.

You think I am somehow attacking President Obama for creating this? You really have a warped view on my personal feelings.

I don't think any of the above is unreasonable. However, to think that they can just whip out a wand and put all of this in place is wishful thinking. Comparing it to Katrina is just not logical. We are not talking about disaster assistance for people, we are talking about massive amounts of specialized equipment that may or may not be in the region, and has to get there if it isn't. Maybe we should have massive stockpiles of containment equipment and cleaning equipment stored in areas that could be affected by oil spills from offshore drilling? However, that does not appear to be the case, and that has nothing to do with the Obama administration. Again, 6 days ago the Coast Guard said there was not leak, 5 days ago they had pictures that showed there was. BP didn't know until they had pictures of the valve for sure either. At that point they had to begin to gather the resources for the containment of the spill. From what I read, they began doing just that.

As for attacking Obama personally, it did sound that way in your first post.

Sorry if I went overboard however. I just grow tired of every single act of this president being hammered by people who cannot accept that he won the election. If that is not you, (and I characterized you as such) then I apologize.

 

[Oncearunner8]

I don't think any of the above is unreasonable. However, to think that they can just whip out a wand and put all of this in place is wishful thinking. Comparing it to Katrina is just not logical. We are not talking about disaster assistance for people, we are talking about massive amounts of specialized equipment that may or may not be in the region, and has to get there if it isn't. Maybe we should have massive stockpiles of containment equipment and cleaning equipment stored in areas that could be affected by oil spills from offshore drilling? However, that does not appear to be the case, and that has nothing to do with the Obama administration. Again, 6 days ago the Coast Guard said there was not leak, 5 days ago they had pictures that showed there was. BP didn't know until they had pictures of the valve for sure either. At that point they had to begin to gather the resources for the containment of the spill. From what I read, they began doing just that.

As for attacking Obama personally, it did sound that way in your first post.

Sorry if I went overboard however. I just grow tired of every single act of this president being hammered by people who cannot accept that he won the election. If that is not you, (and I characterized you as such) then I apologize.

Ok maybe my reaction is a bit harsh.

BTW I agree that President Obama Won the election and is OUR president. I think somewhere in this thread I posted about how in my particular work environment I receive a large amount of spam in my email. It is mostly redneck stuff that I have to delete or block / send to my junk mail folder. I received a email from some jerk who thought it is or was cute to say in the subject line….”Obama’s first low flyover of Texas” when you open the email it is a picture of AirForce One with bullet holes in it. That sort of **** makes me mad and I take that type of behavior even if it is a joke as a threat to the President of the United States. I am sure you or some will say that is overboard. In my mind it is not a joking matter at all.

I think you did confuse what I was trying to point out. But If I re-read it I can understand why because my posts are rarely clear enough.

I apologize for being an asshat (I really am a *** but not an asshat). I was in the mood to argue I guess?????

 

[Oncearunner8]

Sorry, I was just asking a question. I know when you get questioned you take it as an insult since you know everything.

"Brank of rogues" is what he wrote. A brank is something you put on a woman's head/mouth when they "act up".

So, does he mean a "brank of rogues" is a bunch of rogues being stuck in a woman's mouth? Depends on who the woman is.....if that woman is similar to my avatar then I will be a rogue for a day, or more.

Chris you “blockhead”! I thought you knew posting with the romper room is futile. Romper room is busy hitting the hippy lettuce before he posts.

 

[Anonymous]

Ok maybe my reaction is a bit harsh.

BTW I agree that President Obama Won the election and is OUR president. I think somewhere in this thread I posted about how in my particular work environment I receive a large amount of spam in my email. It is mostly redneck stuff that I have to delete or block / send to my junk mail folder. I received a email from some jerk who thought it is or was cute to say in the subject line….”Obama’s first low flyover of Texas” when you open the email it is a picture of AirForce One with bullet holes in it. That sort of **** makes me mad and I take that type of behavior even if it is a joke as a threat to the President of the United States. I am sure you or some will say that is overboard. In my mind it is not a joking matter at all.

I think you did confuse what I was trying to point out. But If I re-read it I can understand why because my posts are rarely clear enough.

I apologize for being an asshat (I really am a *** but not an asshat). I was in the mood to argue I guess?????

I am an assdickhat, no biggie.

Either way, I am sad about the devastation that will be wrought there. I hear people are already suing BP and Transocean. Good. I also hope that any missteps made by the Federal government will be hammered out in the news. Let me be clear, if there were mistakes, I don't care who was at fault, they deserve retribution. Good luck!

 

[ChrisE]

I don't think any of the above is unreasonable. However, to think that they can just whip out a wand and put all of this in place is wishful thinking. Comparing it to Katrina is just not logical. We are not talking about disaster assistance for people, we are talking about massive amounts of specialized equipment that may or may not be in the region, and has to get there if it isn't. Maybe we should have massive stockpiles of containment equipment and cleaning equipment stored in areas that could be affected by oil spills from offshore drilling? However, that does not appear to be the case, and that has nothing to do with the Obama administration. Again, 6 days ago the Coast Guard said there was not leak, 5 days ago they had pictures that showed there was. BP didn't know until they had pictures of the valve for sure either. At that point they had to begin to gather the resources for the containment of the spill. From what I read, they began doing just that.
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TFF, you are out of your league here with OAR, no offense, on this issue.

Like I wrote upthread, BP/Transocean knew this was happening. Anybody that knows the industry could see that something was fueling the fire on the rig because the fireboats were having no impact with spraying water.....that was the oil/gas coming up the riser because the BOP to prevent such a thing from happening in the first place on the seabed was fukd up.

It doesn't take an ROV and days to figure that out. I would bet they had ROVs at the BOP while the rig was still afloat.

People in the industry knew this. The ignorant idiot coast guard lady should have kept her mouth shut, and the lapdog media shoved it to the back stove on her ignorant word. If the govt. is gonna be in the business of allowing this type of drilling they need experts watching it, instead of clueless a$$clown coast guard flunky's spewing BS. OAR and I knew it was BS when she was saying it.

And, after the initial fire the main news websites were mostly silent because I looked at them every hour since the day it caught on fire for somebody to finally admit things were fixing to turn very bad here and for some sign the govt was gonna get their a$$ in gear. It was at least the middle of this past week before it started making the headlines on CNN, MSNBC, etc. Yeah, there were links down below, but the main stories last week were Wall Street, Arizona, and Sandra Bullock's adoption/divorce. Much more important stuff; coddled business that will ultimately get off scot free, racism, and voyeurism.

Now, it's freak out time just like the media always does, sensationalizing this to the hilt without even having a clue WTF is fixing to happen, or looking at themselves critically for taking the word of a govt official without digging. Wash, rinse, repeat. They are nothing but ***** stenographers. I hear the WH correspondants dinner is this weekend. I wonder it I can hear the slurping fellatio all the way to Houston?

This thing is gonna spew for months before it is stopped. We are 10 days into it and look at the impending impact to the environment and coastal livelihoods. You haven't seen shyt yet. If that dome doesn't work, I wouldn't be surprised if oil is scattered from the Tampa to Padre Island by July 4, and just think what will happen if a hurricane gets in the gulf.

 

[Anonymous]

TFF, you are out of your league here with OAR, no offense, on this issue.

Like I wrote upthread, BP/Transocean knew this was happening. Anybody that knows the industry could see that something was fueling the fire on the rig because the fireboats were having no impact with spraying water.....that was the oil/gas coming up the riser because the BOP to prevent such a thing from happening in the first place on the seabed was fukd up.

It doesn't take an ROV and days to figure that out. I would bet they had ROVs at the BOP while the rig was still afloat.

People in the industry knew this. The ignorant idiot coast guard lady should have kept her mouth shut, and the lapdog media shoved it to the back stove on her ignorant word. If the govt. is gonna be in the business of allowing this type of drilling they need experts watching it, instead of clueless a$$clown coast guard flunky's spewing BS. OAR and I knew it was BS when she was saying it.

And, after the initial fire the main news websites were mostly silent because I looked at them every hour since the day it caught on fire for somebody to finally admit things were fixing to turn very bad here and for some sign the govt was gonna get their a$$ in gear. It was at least the middle of this past week before it started making the headlines on CNN, MSNBC, etc. Yeah, there were links down below, but the main stories last week were Wall Street, Arizona, and Sandra Bullock's adoption/divorce. Much more important stuff; coddled business that will ultimately get off scot free, racism, and voyeurism.

Now, it's freak out time just like the media always does, sensationalizing this to the hilt without even having a clue WTF is fixing to happen, or looking at themselves critically for taking the word of a govt official without digging. Wash, rinse, repeat. They are nothing but ***** stenographers. I hear the WH correspondants dinner is this weekend. I wonder it I can hear the slurping fellatio all the way to Houston?

This thing is gonna spew for months before it is stopped. We are 10 days into it and look at the impending impact to the environment and coastal livelihoods. You haven't seen shyt yet. If that dome doesn't work, I wouldn't be surprised if oil is scattered from the Tampa to Padre Island by July 4, and just think what will happen if a hurricane gets in the gulf.

Very true.

 

[ChrisE]

The only good thing that may come out of this is more safety measures and backup plans engineered into the drilling. I am not directly involved with upstream exploration, but from what I know it is mindboggling to me that the only thing to prevent this from happening is a valve with an actuator under 5000 feet of water.

I say "may".....politicians are in the pocket of big oil and as soon as this dies down I wouldn't be surprised if alot of stuff that needs to be implemented is forgotten about.

 

[Oncearunner8]

The only good thing that may come out of this is more safety measures and backup plans engineered into the drilling. I am not directly involved with upstream exploration, but from what I know it is mindboggling to me that the only thing to prevent this from happening is a valve with an actuator under 5000 feet of water.

I say "may".....politicians are in the pocket of big oil and as soon as this dies down I wouldn't be surprised if alot of stuff that needs to be implemented is forgotten about.

Then when they do something you can hold onto your ears because these folks will cry till no end. They will say this will cost the consumer X amount of dollars and we just can not afford it etc. Bull****,,,, these things need to be done and should have happened a long time ago. The rapid response system for oil spills and leaks is old and outdated. NO ONE has the proper equipment on site or staged.


When they are able to get this Blow Out Preventer off the seabed and determine why the actuators were never able to perform we will know more. Just guess the **** storm that is about to hit this company that manufactured the BOP! If I was employed there I would be actively looking for a new job! By the time the worlds largest drilling contractor (Transocean) and BP get through they will probably just fold up shop.

I am surprised that they do not have more news regarding the dome experiment. It should work for the main leak. Then they will have to work on the other drill stem / casing issues

 

[Oncearunner8]

I am an assdickhat, no biggie.

Either way, I am sad about the devastation that will be wrought there. I hear people are already suing BP and Transocean. Good. I also hope that any missteps made by the Federal government will be hammered out in the news. Let me be clear, if there were mistakes, I don't care who was at fault, they deserve retribution. Good luck!

There will be a smaller less known (nationaly) company that in the end will probably take the real heat on this. I am just puzzeled why the news media has not asked the question........(who is the manufacturer for the BOP??)

 

[buckwheat]

Your side!

Good luck telling people from that region that the State and Federal response to this was adequate. People around the Gulf Coast think that the Federal reaction is slow. Try changing that perception when as you say "my side" piles on with their 24/7 opinions about how the President just made a decision late. I am telling you what "my side" as you say will have the talking heads going crazy today forward.

I think President Obama should have made an effort to get his Homeland Security and Environmental staff down there last week, or at the latest last Weekend. Folks within the Offshore Oil industry were talking about this environmental disaster the day after Horizon sunk. Please ask me how I know this? It is not something I need to google. In fact it is within my Wheelhouse.

Hello, Hello?

Yes, If it were up to the people on uh.... your side, there would be very little if any, regulation, and the regulatory agencies that would uhh, administer the uh regulations. There would be no EPA and there would be no Dept. of Energy.

How come the uh, private sector, uh.... isn't handling their own mess?

Why do we need a Federal Response?

Uhh, government is the problem.

We'll cut uhhh taxes. That will cap the blowout.

Environment, enschmirement.



Biden paraphrase; this Drill, Drill, Drill, crap is pretty idiotic.

Palin (while shaking head): Uh Joe, the chant is "Drill baby, drill.




Thanks, B!tch, now it's back to our regularly scheduled programming.

 

[ChrisE]

Then when they do something you can hold onto your ears because these folks will cry till no end. They will say this will cost the consumer X amount of dollars and we just can not afford it etc. Bull****,,,, these things need to be done and should have happened a long time ago. The rapid response system for oil spills and leaks is old and outdated. NO ONE has the proper equipment on site or staged.


When they are able to get this Blow Out Preventer off the seabed and determine why the actuators were never able to perform we will know more. Just guess the **** storm that is about to hit this company that manufactured the BOP! If I was employed there I would be actively looking for a new job! By the time the worlds largest drilling contractor (Transocean) and BP get through they will probably just fold up shop.

I am surprised that they do not have more news regarding the dome experiment. It should work for the main leak. Then they will have to work on the other drill stem / casing issues

Yeah, and BP is spending $6 million/day trying to contain it, and I read the relief well would be $100 million.

My whacky idea we discussed earlier about having intermediate BOPs along the riser to the rig, if that is feasible how much would that cost compared to the millions BP is spending, and the billions lost along the coast as well as environmental damage? And, the industry would fight it all the way and have a good chance of winning.

Where in the fark is Sarah Palin? Somebody should stick a microphone in that dolt's face. Demagoguing serious dangerous industry for political gain is typical in this country.

Don't you guys do HAZOPs? Is it time to hit the bar when the part about failing BOP in 5000' of water is brought up?

 

[buckwheat]

Coal is the answer!

I don't think we have to regulate the byproducts of coal!

Plus mines are much safer.

I think all teh messes are the result of the illegal mexican's with those sub prime loans.

 

[Anonymous]

Hello, Hello?

Yes, If it were up to the people on uh.... your side, there would be very little if any, regulation, and the regulatory agencies that would uhh, administer the uh regulations. There would be no EPA and there would be no Dept. of Energy.

How come the uh, private sector, uh.... isn't handling their own mess?

Why do we need a Federal Response?



Biden paraphrase; this Drill, Drill, Drill, crap is pretty idiotic.

Palin (while shaking head): Uh Joe, the chant is "Drill baby, drill.




Thanks, B!tch, now it's back to our regularly scheduled programming.

BP has already stated they take full responsibility and will take care of any and all claims.

However I doubt this will satisfy the bark humping wing of the democratic party.

We clearly need more regulations. And congressional oversight. Because only the govt can protect us. From anything/everything.

 

[buckwheat]

BP has already stated they take full responsibility and will take care of any and all claims.

Talk is cheap. The claims of the shrimp and those who live off them too? How's about them sport fishing peeps? And all dem little fishies that hatch in dem dere wetlands?

However I doubt this will satisfy the bark humping wing of the democratic party..

'We'll be greeted as liberators. The oil revenues will pay for the war.'

We clearly need more regulations. And congressional oversight. Because only the govt can protect us. From anything/everything.

This is meant to be ironic?

 

[ChrisE]

BP has already stated they take full responsibility and will take care of any and all claims.

However I doubt this will satisfy the bark humping wing of the democratic party.

We clearly need more regulations. And congressional oversight. Because only the govt can protect us. From anything/everything.

Yeah, just like Exxon took responsibility for Valdez by fighting it for 20 years in the courts, to finally get a favorable ruling to reduce their liability from a wingnut judge. That is why we need real campaign finance laws in this country, but the wingnut SCOTUS just said companies are people again, so expect more of the same.

If you don't think the govt. is gonna flip most of this bill before it is all over then you are on crack. And, even if BP incurs the cost of cleaning up and plugging the well, what about all the industry and environment affected along the coast?

Yeah, in this case the govt should impose safety standards and require logical engineering safety measures for this type of activity. If they were required to have a redundant BOP system like I noted above we wouldn't be having this conversation. These companies must be made to do such things, apparently.

You are totally drunk on wingnut capitalistic koolaid if you think the govt should get out of regulating this industry for safety, as you imply in your snarky last paragraph. You can't be so stupid, while this catastrophe is going on, to bang this drum right now, can you?

 

[Anonymous]

Talk is cheap. The claims of the shrimp and those who live off them too? How's about them sport fishing peeps? And all dem little fishies that hatch in dem dere wetlands?



'We'll be greeted as liberators. The oil revenues will pay for the war.'



This is meant to be ironic?

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LDE63T1SP.htm


No not irony. Satire is more of what I was going for.

 

[Anonymous]

Yeah, just like Exxon took responsibility for Valdez by fighting it for 20 years in the courts, to finally get a favorable ruling to reduce their liability from a wingnut judge. That is why we need real campaign finance laws in this country, but the wingnut SCOTUS just said companies are people again, so expect more of the same.

If you don't think the govt. is gonna flip most of this bill before it is all over then you are on crack. And, even if BP incurs the cost of cleaning up and plugging the well, what about all the industry and environment affected along the coast?

Yeah, in this case the govt should impose safety standards and require logical engineering safety measures for this type of activity. If they were required to have a redundant BOP system like I noted above we wouldn't be having this conversation. These companies must be made to do such things, apparently.

You are totally drunk on wingnut capitalistic koolaid if you think the govt should get out of regulating this industry for safety, as you imply in your snarky last paragraph. You can't be so stupid, while this catastrophe is going on, to bang this drum right now, can you?

Drink too much coffee today?

Point to where I've written anything advocating zero regulations.

See the link above for the CEO of BP's comments. It won't go to court unless somenone wants $1,000 for $100 in damages.

You calling me snarky? That's rich.

Why don't you explain to me why existing regulations allowed this disaster to happen? I'm under the impression that govt regulations are the solution.

 

[ChrisE]

Drink too much coffee today?

Point to where I've written anything advocating zero regulations.

See the link above for the CEO of BP's comments. It won't go to court unless somenone wants $1,000 for $100 in damages.

You calling me snarky? That's rich.

Why don't you explain to me why exising regulations allowed this disaster to happen? I'm under the impression that govt regulations are the solution.

Yeah, I see what BP is saying. I will stick with the coffee, you keep with the koolaid. At the end of the day years from now we will see who is right.

Apparently, existing industry safety regulations do not require any type of redundant containment of the wellhead. If it did, then this wouldn't have happened. You know, I know your schtick, so I am wasting my time with trying to explain this to you.

I guess I should do a survey and see if some other companies besides BP have better safety mechanisms in place while doing offshore drilling. Then, I will just buy their gas and shun BP. This in turn will make BP fall in line when the whole populace follows that lead.

The marketplace at work will make things right, according to Socal Scot.

 

[Anonymous]

Yeah, I see what BP is saying. I will stick with the coffee, you keep with the koolaid. At the end of the day years from now we will see who is right.

Apparently, existing industry safety regulations do not require any type of redundant containment of the wellhead. If it did, then this wouldn't have happened. You know, I know your schtick, so I am wasting my time with trying to explain this to you.

I guess I should do a survey and see if some other companies besides BP have better safety mechanisms in place while doing offshore drilling. Then, I will just buy their gas and shun BP. This in turn will make BP fall in line when the whole populace follows that lead.

The marketplace at work will make things right, according to Socal Scot.

No, I think we should nationalize BP. So what if the company is British... I mean their food sucks so they ought to lose out on that point alone.

Once the company is run by the govt things like this would'nt happen.

 

[ihavenolimbs]

BP has already stated they take full responsibility and will take care of any and all claims.

However I doubt this will satisfy the bark humping wing of the democratic party.

We clearly need more regulations. And congressional oversight. Because only the govt can protect us. From anything/everything.

I think you miss the point. Govt. regulation is supposed to reduce the number and magnitude of problems that profit-seeking businesses, and people in general, create. And often govt does, eventually, which is why heavy metals from the auto industry are no longer discharged into your Great Lakes, for example.

BP saying, "oops, sorry", after they've done something stupid, is a bit late don't ya think? Business (and the public) tends to be reactionary, so some organisation needs to think and plan ahead. It'd be nice if democratically elected govts filled that role more often...