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[gooner]

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the military coup appears failed.

depending on who is reporting, of course. the fact that the govt trt channel is back on air and reporting so is significant. also the istambul governor went on air declaring the arrest of several plotters.

the question now is how much blood will be spilled by erdogan to avenge the coup :Question:

I have heard CNN Turk channel has been stormed by soldiers.

 

[BigMac]

This guy is worth a follow, seems to be on top of it: https://twitter.com/agirecudi

Latest has it that the military is trying to regain pocession of some news agency HQ.

 

[BigMac]

Re: Re:

the military coup appears failed.

depending on who is reporting, of course. the fact that the govt trt channel is back on air and reporting so is significant. also the istambul governor went on air declaring the arrest of several plotters.

the question now is how much blood will be spilled by erdogan to avenge the coup :Question:

I have heard CNN Turk channel has been stormed by soldiers.

Confirmed.

Strike team lands on heli, storms in during live feed. Channel down.

 

[BigMac]

Obvious now that it was pure propaganda claiming the coup had failed.

Gunfire erupts on Taksim Square, jets going low.

Yet another bomb drops on parliament.

 

[gooner]

Re: Re:

the military coup appears failed.

depending on who is reporting, of course. the fact that the govt trt channel is back on air and reporting so is significant. also the istambul governor went on air declaring the arrest of several plotters.

the question now is how much blood will be spilled by erdogan to avenge the coup :Question:

I have heard CNN Turk channel has been stormed by soldiers.

Confirmed.

Strike team lands on heli, storms in during live feed. Channel down.

They showed it live as it happenned. Video on Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/cnnturk/videos/10157294590890106/

 

[python]

Re: Re:

the military coup appears failed.

depending on who is reporting, of course. the fact that the govt trt channel is back on air and reporting so is significant. also the istambul governor went on air declaring the arrest of several plotters.

the question now is how much blood will be spilled by erdogan to avenge the coup :Question:

I have heard CNN Turk channel has been stormed by soldiers.

i am watching cnn turk right now.

it is being aired by the official trt station i mentioned several times. all i see is NO soldiers, NONE, but a bunch of excited speakers in turkish - gone is the usual english. what i'm making out is they declair sovereignty, support and democracy.

note, i dont speak turkish but their certain words and tones plus the fact that cnn turkey showed the arrested military clip several times, indicate the plotters likely failed.

 

[gooner]

Recommend following https://twitter.com/borzou He's a journalist based in Istanbul giving updates.

 

[BigMac]

Erdogan seems to have landed at Atatürk Airport but there's clearly some resistance left.

 

[python]

cnn turk wich is currently the official trt has just showed - and i saw it with my owneyes - an extended (about 5 min long) erdogan speaking.

i doubt i'd see it with my own eyes if the station was under the control of the plotters...

but one can't say anything definitive in the current fluid situation.

 

[BigMac]

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cnn turk wich is currently the official trt has just showed - and i saw it with my owneyes - an extended (about 5 min long) erdogan speaking.

i doubt i'd see it with my own eyes if the station was under the control of the plotters...

but one can't say anything definitive in the current fluid situation.

What's your guess, the military who invaded were not pro-coup?

 

[python]

Re: Re:

cnn turk wich is currently the official trt has just showed - and i saw it with my owneyes - an extended (about 5 min long) erdogan speaking.

i doubt i'd see it with my own eyes if the station was under the control of the plotters...

but one can't say anything definitive in the current fluid situation.

What's your guess, the military who invaded were not pro-coup?

if i interpret your question (perhaps you meant the military that did not interfere on the side of plotters) it looks like the he airforce staff was behind the plot. such was the opinion of one of the al jazeera commentators.

as i was typing, the trt went off the air to just reappear with erdogan speaking in front of the ata turk image...

 

[BigMac]

Re: Re:

cnn turk wich is currently the official trt has just showed - and i saw it with my owneyes - an extended (about 5 min long) erdogan speaking.

i doubt i'd see it with my own eyes if the station was under the control of the plotters...

but one can't say anything definitive in the current fluid situation.

What's your guess, the military who invaded were not pro-coup?

if i interpret your question (perhaps you meant the military that did not interfere on the side of plotters) it looks like the he airforce staff was behind the plot. such was the opinion of one of the al jazeera commentators.

as i was typing, the trt went off the air to just reappear with erdogan speaking in front of the ata turk image...

That would explain the gunships opening fire on the ground, but not the tanks and not the soldiers taking over the news outlets. The Army had to be involved. Odd. Or do you think CNN Türk, Hürriyet were taken over by pro-regime troops? That's what I was asking.

So much conflicting news. I'll just wait.

 

[Starstruck]

i'll bet that the quarterly earnings for weapons manufacturers are going to be up. #enlightened.

 

[ToreBear]

Re: Re:

cnn turk wich is currently the official trt has just showed - and i saw it with my owneyes - an extended (about 5 min long) erdogan speaking.

i doubt i'd see it with my own eyes if the station was under the control of the plotters...

but one can't say anything definitive in the current fluid situation.

What's your guess, the military who invaded were not pro-coup?

if i interpret your question (perhaps you meant the military that did not interfere on the side of plotters) it looks like the he airforce staff was behind the plot. such was the opinion of one of the al jazeera commentators.

as i was typing, the trt went off the air to just reappear with erdogan speaking in front of the ata turk image...

That would explain the gunships opening fire on the ground, but not the tanks and not the soldiers taking over the news outlets. The Army had to be involved. Odd. Or do you think CNN Türk, Hürriyet were taken over by pro-regime troops? That's what I was asking.

So much conflicting news. I'll just wait.

Helicopter gunships are organised under the Army, not the Airforce. I doubt this is isolated to a branch of the Military. Fighter planes indicate airforce, gunships indicate army, and tanks of course are also Army.

My understanding is that the coup people had all three.

 

[python]

the following LIVE BLOG: Military coup attempt in Turkey is compiled by middleeasteye.net. i found them the most informed and objective wrt anything happening in the m. east.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/live-blog-military-coup-turkey-456377777

regarding WHO were the plotters it said:

Most of the plotters were from the Gendarmerie, the branch of the military responsible for maintaining public order

also trt word - which is back on the air but from london - just confirmed the plotters were from the airforce and gandarmerie.

 

[Starstruck]

It's sounding like this worked out great for Erdogan. There can be only one.

 

[killswitch]

The self-coup by Erdogan will enable him to assume dictatorial power. RIP secular Turkey.

 

[burning]

The self-coup by Erdogan will enable him to assume dictatorial power. RIP secular Turkey.

Yeah, he immidately sacked 2700+ judges and arrested 700+ soldiers with 6 generals and 30+ colonels after 12 hours. It is painfully obvious that he designed this coup to seize absolute power.

 

[hrotha]

Benefiting from it doesn't equal staging it. The Nazis didn't actually set the Reichstag on fire themselves, but they sure as hell took advantage of it. The sacking of those judges suggest there was a blacklist at the very least, though.

 

[python]

i remain very curious, though admittedly its an academic if not an irrelevant concern NOW, what and how would change had the plotters prevail ? what were their ultimate goals ?

to assume they would reverse any and all erdogan policies seems too simplistic.

some commentators point at the previous military coups for clues as trying to keep the political islam in check. i'd buy that. others point at the multiple erdogan international failures for the clues. i'd buy that too. yet others suggest the putsch was merely a self-defense, a preventative reaction of a part of the military that knew they were to be cleansed within days...

perhaps its a misfortune they did not prevail ?

oh, i almost forgot, erdogan is now accusing washington as an accomplice for roofing gulen demands his extradition, while kerry calmly suggested to file the appropriate papers which erdogan curiously never did...

 

[rhubroma]

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Benefiting from it doesn't equal staging it. The Nazis didn't actually set the Reichstag on fire themselves, but they sure as hell took advantage of it. The sacking of those judges suggest there was a blacklist at the very least, though.

Here's what Antonio Ferrari, journalist and expert on Turkish affairs, says: "A four hour golpe isn't even imaginable in the Free Banana Republic. I wouldn't be surprised if the bomb was ignited by Erdogan himself, or his super supporters. Do you think its possible that Erdogan launches a popular appeal, inviting them to occupy the streets and protect the nation, while he flies over Frankfurt ready do land at Berlin and get down on his knees before Merkel supplicating political asylum? Come on, the truth is that he was on vacation at Marmaris, he got on the plane direct for Ankara, before prefering to go straight to Istanbul, having heard that there were 1000s waiting for him deowsy but festive. Then the end of the golpe, just four hours later. Get real, come on."

 

[ScienceIsCool]

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i remain very curious, though admittedly its an academic if not an irrelevant concern NOW, what and how would change had the plotters prevail ? what were their ultimate goals ?

to assume they would reverse any and all erdogan policies seems too simplistic.

some commentators point at the previous military coups for clues as trying to keep the political islam in check. i'd buy that. others point at the multiple erdogan international failures for the clues. i'd buy that too. yet others suggest the putsch was merely a self-defense, a preventative reaction of a part of the military that knew they were to be cleansed within days...

perhaps its a misfortune they did not prevail ?

oh, i almost forgot, erdogan is now accusing washington as an accomplice for roofing gulen demands his extradition, while kerry calmly suggested to file the appropriate papers which erdogan curiously never did...

Erdogan is an islamist that is rapidly changing a long-secular Turkey into something resembling a caliphate. With him as head of it all, natch. Some pundits gave him the moniker Sultan Erdogan about a year ago and it fits. As you can imagine this is causing some major rifts in Turkey's society. The Kurds in particular would suffer even more than they are now. Basically, Erdogan wants to undo everything Ataturk accomplished. This would be disastrous and would likely lead to civil and regional war.

Not hard to see why there was an attempted coup...

John Swanson

 

[SeriousSam]

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perhaps its a misfortune they did not prevail ?

The Turkish people and the opposition parties seem to prefer their democracy, with all its problems, to military dictatorship, though a secular military dictatorship more subservient to Nato interests than Erdogan could indeed have been a useful tool for the west in the short term

 

[Starstruck]

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i remain very curious, though admittedly its an academic if not an irrelevant concern NOW, what and how would change had the plotters prevail ? what were their ultimate goals ?

to assume they would reverse any and all erdogan policies seems too simplistic.

some commentators point at the previous military coups for clues as trying to keep the political islam in check. i'd buy that. others point at the multiple erdogan international failures for the clues. i'd buy that too. yet others suggest the putsch was merely a self-defense, a preventative reaction of a part of the military that knew they were to be cleansed within days...

perhaps its a misfortune they did not prevail ?

oh, i almost forgot, erdogan is now accusing washington as an accomplice for roofing gulen demands his extradition, while kerry calmly suggested to file the appropriate papers which erdogan curiously never did...

@14:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeNO3sc6-RQ

 

[Merckx index]

Anyone here know much about THADD—an anti-missile system being developed in South Korea, which doesn’t really want it, under pressure from the U.S.? It’s nature makes it pretty much useless vs. North Korea, as it’s designed to shoot down missiles that are far higher than those that would come from the north. It appears to be aimed at China and Russia, both of whom regard it as almost an act of war.

https://kpfa.org/player/?audio=237742

The THADD discussion begins at about 25:30, following a discussion of the decision against China on the Spratly Islands (another example, according to the correspondent, of the U.S. pressuring another country to confront China). And in turn followed by a discussion of how easily the U.S. Presidential election could be swung by the very hackable machines. The reporter claims that the Secretary of Elections in key states like Ohio can basically determine the outcome.