World Politics

[Oncearunner8]

People like you with a lot of power.

Frightening combination.

People like you with a PC and keyboard is a FRIGHTENING COMBO.....

 

[Oncearunner8]

In the midst of this big debate those on the left and right need to keep one thing in mind.

It is not in a certain industry's best interest to bankrupt the working class or alientate them. Ultimately that is the client. BP is not profiting from this, of course.

You have to weigh that against regulation. The problem is that the client is the employee in business, where capitalism in itself is inherent upon driving down the cost of doing business to increase profit. Which in turn limits the power of the entity that buys it's product. It's a circle jerk.

There is too much misery in society to let this all work out. Ultimately, I believe it would all work out, which is the basis of laisez faire capitalism, but we would be dead many times over. Regulation keeps things in check, IMO. Where that line in the sand is I'm still trying to figure out.....I admit that.

You guys make my head hurt. After many beers tonite, I'm going to bed. Later.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

You started this Challenger Bull SHIZZ and now you want to lay your F-ing head on a pillow. F-that..

I am going to the fridge for number 8. I was at the Derrick Tavern with all those evil Transocean MuthaFuhhhhkas and BP assticklers ......talking about failed BOP and ROV that can tickle a Buckwheat's ball sack...etc. LMAO

 

[Oncearunner8]

Because of our reliance on the freedom of the automobile and the great Interstate Highway System. Why didn't we listen to Carter

Wake up.

This is going to sound weird to some. I think Carter done much more for the environment than any other president to this day. President Obama is just all talk on this subject. You have to drop the hammer.

 

[Oncearunner8]

In the midst of this big debate those on the left and right need to keep one thing in mind.
It's a circle jerk.

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You should have wrote this! ROFLMAO

 

[patricknd]

Damn right.

bull shyt . your nice to them. what kind of businessman are you?

 

[Hugh Januss]

This is going to sound weird to some. I think Carter done much more for the environment than any other president to this day. President Obama is just all talk on this subject. You have to drop the hammer.

Carter was my favorite president of my lifetime (56 years and counting, hopefully). He had compassion and the willingness to serve rather that be Lord High Ruler of the American People. That he could not withstand the shit storm of a full on Republican anti-Carter campaign for a second term was almost a given from the gitgo, he was just too nice a person.
I still do not believe that he handled the problems that came up during his term any worse than any of his successors or predecessors.
I loved his "I have lusted in my heart". Well no effen shit Poindexter, you're a man, live with it you'll get urges. And I loved the fact that when he retired he didn't just go off to the golf course like all the other country club presidents, but rather he kept on trying to make a difference with Houses for Humanity and other good work.

 

[Hugh Januss]

bull shyt . your nice to them. what kind of businessman are you?

Uhm, one that is trying to hang on and not let anybody go until the economy comes back a bit and I can breath a sigh of relief and go back to sleeping through the night?

 

[rhubroma]

In this Great Debate over the evils versus the virtues of business and, or, government, I'd say the clearest example of how the two have been comporting themselves in a repunant and thoroughly devestating manner over the years is in how Washington and Wall Street have both, in equal measure, played a hand in ruining the financial markets and hence destroyed the lives of millions. And the bottom line has been a conflict of interests, the same investment bankers appointed by the political structure to regulate the markets, have been the same ones who stood to gain the most profit from a Wall Street without rules. The insestuous relationship was solidified by a hefty dose of campaign fundng from the financial lobbyists. Pure and unmitigated greed has been the determining psychological factor in this perverse relationship in which democracy is basically a sham, the rich make and break the rules as opportunity and convenience provides while the rest get defrauded, and not even their taxes are put to good use.

And this is true wherever we go throughout the world...the State is bankrupt, morally and financially, those who have been in power in politics and business for almost a century have exploited their power to the hilt and completely ruined the state. And it doesn't matter if it were capitalists or socialists running the show, government and business in tandem have squandered everything while filling their own pockets with profit and gains, I purposely pronounce the word squandered more clearly than all the others and am not even ashamed to have used it at all, so I repeat the word squandered a few more times with regard to our bankrupt state and our government and business sectors in power, adding that our politicians and ruling business class is made up of low-downs, cunning shady characters who have simply exploited capitalism and socialism as a vehicle for their perverse power trips. All these politicians and businessmen are nothing but power-hungry, unscrupulous, vulgar schemers, the State, which they themselves constitute, is everything to them, the people they represent and employ mean just about nothing to them.

 

[patricknd]

Uhm, one that is trying to hang on and not let anybody go until the economy comes back a bit and I can breath a sigh of relief and go back to sleeping through the night?

and you said businesses can't be trusted to regulate themselves. seems like all that's needed is a little consience.

 

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[Hugh Januss]

and you said businesses can't be trusted to regulate themselves. seems like all that's needed is a little consience.

I suppose we could just try that and hope for the best. Based on past performance, especially of larger corporations, I don't like our chances.

 

[buckwheat]

TFF -There is some points I do not agree with 100%,,,,,,,,,,,, but the fact is your post is on the money. I wonder the economic impact for the region overall? My personal feelings aside,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,this is a environmental disaster of epic proportions. FuhhhhhCK the Challenger and the dude who keeps insisting .....knocking that shizzzit.

Goodmorning Toaster II,

Environmental disaster of epic proprortions, yes.

The Challenger was brought up by ChrisE to prove a point and it conclusively proved the point opposed to the one he was trying to make.

Dude, what don't you understand about that?

All this other stuff about "were you there?" and "what is your prediction for the next disaster" is just third grade thinking..

I feel bad that somehow gave the impression --- I think that President Obama and his admin are as negligent as President Bush and his admin. I was only trying to point out that he Fed's had information and resources available before they acted. That was my point.

Even though I'm a liberal Dem I have to agree with you on the comparison of Bush and Obama. At least Bush voiced the conclusion that we are addicted to oil. Obama is turning into a hypocritical POS with his energy policy.

Today I heard or yesterday that the talk show's have sort-a latched on to the fact that the administration took too long to act. I agree with that in some fashion. I do not think they turned their backs but I think they left it up to BP far long enough. I know and as someone else on this message board knows that BP was in cya mode from day 2. I said as much in a previous post. The well was going to bleed no matter what and the initial Coast Guard statement was dumb at best. There was sanding / bridging of the well at that time. Things needed a day to settle. Then they should have made the assessment.

If you guys give a rats *** about “who” to blame then you would be looking into the direction of the BOP manufacture and the cementing contractor. I know both companies.

Anyhow as of tomorrow the "fix" will be in route to the wellhead and that should be in place by the weekend. Once that is done and the flow is contained, we can move forward with the blame.

Isn't the goal preventing and or minimizing these "accidents" in the future?

BP and the three strikes according TWO buhhwhyte, well let’s just watch the next meltdown..

WhateverTF that means. Still haven't rebutted anything I've said, but you're a cool kid amongst the non thinkers and name callers.

Toaster, in addition to your regular work were you behind the Howard Dean discrediting shriek loop?

Along with my jabs I put some meat in my posts.

 

[buckwheat]

People like you with a PC and keyboard is a FRIGHTENING COMBO.....

More empty bs.

Name one thing I was wrong on toaster.

See, you're a very weak personality.


You get picked on in school?

 

[buckwheat]

I suppose we could just try that and hope for the best. Based on past performance, especially of larger corporations, I don't like our chances.

Our chances are terrible.

People are locked in their own echo chambers, and love their own prejudices more than they love the facts.

They are generally weak bullies who kick down and kiss up.

Jeez, I think this BP thing was the fault of the homeless. Maybe them or the Mexicans who are diluting our gene pool Maybe we can plug this thing with a tax cut, or some of the Al Qaeda bastids. Their towels will soak up a lot of the oil. Uh, oh, Putin is rearing his ugly head, I can see him from my porch. Well, we might as well go moose hunting. They're congregating at the oil pool, at least that's what it says in all of the newspapers I read. At least we have fuel for the chopper.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Can we just say that the next person to mention the word Challenger will receive a visit from Jackhammer/Carboncrank?

 

[buckwheat]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

You started this Challenger Bull SHIZZ and now you want to lay your F-ing head on a pillow. F-that..

I am going to the fridge for number 8. I was at the Derrick Tavern with all those evil Transocean MuthaFuhhhhkas and BP assticklers ......talking about failed BOP and ROV that can tickle a Buckwheat's ball sack...etc. LMAO

Still nothing, eh?

Just out of curiosity, do any of the Transocean or BP fellas have any reservations about looking for oil more than 1 mile below the surface of the ocean?

How do the Transocean guys feel about the BP CEO POS throwing them under the bus?

Was that just a show by the CEO? If I was a Transocean guy and I ran into that ***, I'd get in his face.

 

[Oncearunner8]

Our chances are terrible.

People are locked in their own echo chambers, and love their own prejudices more than they love the facts.

They are generally weak bullies who kick down and kiss up.

Jeez, I think this BP thing was the fault of the homeless. Maybe them or the Mexicans who are diluting our gene pool Maybe we can plug this thing with a tax cut, or some of the Al Qaeda bastids. Their towels will soak up a lot of the oil. Uh, oh, Putin is rearing his ugly head, I can see him from my porch. Well, we might as well go moose hunting. They're congregating at the oil pool, at least that's what it says in all of the newspapers I read. At least we have fuel for the chopper.

what are you talking about?

 

[Hugh Januss]

what are you talking about?

I think it's irony or something.......you wouldn't understand, being a toaster.

 

[Oncearunner8]

Still nothing, eh?

Just out of curiosity, do any of the Transocean or BP fellas have any reservations about looking for oil more than 1 mile below the surface of the ocean?

How do the Transocean guys feel about the BP CEO POS throwing them under the bus?

Was that just a show by the CEO? If I was a Transocean guy and I ran into that ***, I'd get in his face.

You replied to a post directed towards Chris E. with "Still nothing, eh?" what?

Transocean has the worlds largest feet of Deep Water drill ships and Semi Submersibles. BP is one of the largest oil / sweet crude explorers in the world. What makes you think either company whose entire financial future is wrapped up in Deep water Exploration would have reservations? They will do everything they can to keep drilling with the least amount of restrictions. I think everyone on here agrees that those companies will not self regulate.

I am for more safety measures within all drilling and production done offshore. What I would wish for would be the change started within the industry. Proactive is much better than forced regulations by the fed. But as I stated above the Fed is probably needed in this more than they want.

Those Transocean guys would never get in BP's face. They have more lease contracts to worry about. Money / greed takes over that impulse.

As of this morning one leak has been fixed. The real FIX is on the way as of this morning. They should have the FLOW stopped by early weekend.

 

[Oncearunner8]

I think it's irony or something.......you wouldn't understand, being a toaster.

Yeah thanks for the help.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Yeah thanks for the help.

.........

 

[buckwheat]

Can we just say that the next person to mention the word Challenger will receive a visit from Jackhammer/Carboncrank?

Someone throws a hand grenade at you and they forget to pull the pin, you pull the pin and throw it back at them. If they are going to keep doing it, what do you think is going to happen?

In any sensible war, ( I know that's crazy) there is an unconditional surrender before a cease fire.

Before sin is forgiven, there is repentance.

None of those thing have happened.

Bottom line to this thing is they shouldn't have started something they couldn't finish, or without knowing where it was going to end.

Hey, that's kind of like BP, isn't it? They shouldn't have asked a question, they didn't have an answer to. Kinda makes sense.

 

[buckwheat]

You replied to a post directed towards Chris E. with "Still nothing, eh?" what? .

Keep your robots off my ballsac.

Transocean has the worlds largest feet of Deep Water drill ships and Semi Submersibles. BP is one of the largest oil / sweet crude explorers in the world. What makes you think either company whose entire financial future is wrapped up in Deep water Exploration would have reservations? They will do everything they can to keep drilling with the least amount of restrictions. I think everyone on here agrees that those companies will not self regulate.

Thanks, you've just shown how delusional those people are and the desperate need for a strong leader to ram strict regulation through.

I am for more safety measures within all drilling and production done offshore. What I would wish for would be the change started within the industry. Proactive is much better than forced regulations by the fed. But as I stated above the Fed is probably needed in this more than they want.

I agree.

Those Transocean guys would never get in BP's face. They have more lease contracts to worry about. Money / greed takes over that impulse.

Then you would agree that the BP CEO is a hypocritical, disingenuous POS for getting on TV and laying the blame for this on Transocean?

As of this morning one leak has been fixed. The real FIX is on the way as of this morning. They should have the FLOW stopped by early weekend.

That's good news.

 

[buckwheat]

what are you talking about?

Short memory huh?

Were you one of the geniuses casting their vote for the deliverer of the "Drill baby, Drill," mantra?

How can anyone be that cynical that they are voting for a person who has such a demonstrably lower intelligence than themselves?

Palin is still the leader of the Republican party, am I wrong?

I see I have to keep this real simple for you?

Connect the dots type of thing.

 

[buckwheat]

I think it's irony or something.......you wouldn't understand, being a toaster.

When I pointed out that ChrisE had the mental capacity of a toaster, OAR praised the crack as being "awesome," and was going to remember it so he could use it on me.

Maybe I've gone to the well one too many times with it. Kinda like BP.

So back to the original point.

What is it? Accidents will happen? They're unpredictable, and the oil companies, mining companies, et.al. are composed of altruistic human beings who are concerned with the welfare of the environment and other citizens, and don't need strict regulations?

To prove this we will bring in a well known case that illustrates we had exact prior knowledge of the causes of a tragedy, yet we ignored this knowledge and plowed ahead anyway, with predictable tragic consequences. We studied that situation and then, whaddya know, the exact same predictable tragedy happened again.

I don't know how this explains their point.

Where's Scott or ChrisE to explain it to me?

OAR, you wanna take a shot?

TFF? I know how you don't have the stomach to confront anyone, and you know, the thing is just like too black and white. We'll let it slide. Thanks for the hand wringing over the situation. It's all just a terrible thing and there's nothing we can do about it. We'll just cave and vote for Sarah next time.